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Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: thec0re3 on August 02, 2011, 08:05:32 PM
I can agree with that if he felt something was wrong he should have done so before the match was over. It definitely going to be exciting to see what happens after the console version. I'm hoping that KOF does make it to EVO next year. I definitely want to see it at Final Round here in GA.
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: jinxhand on August 02, 2011, 08:43:57 PM
Real talk, let's get hype America!!! I love all you KoF cats (no homo), but I wanna see an all-American KOF XIII finals on the big screen next year (a la BBCS2). There's untapped potential, and I'm tired of those who look down on us, especially those who are in the states meat riding other countries, and bashing their own in terms of KOF. Let's not forsake our fellow AmeriKOFers!!!

There's so much hype for this, and that spirit bomb is getting bigger and bigger. Let's not lose sight!!! We do need to step that game up still like crazy, especially when the game drops... Let's take it a step further, I want someone who's not in Socal or NYC to win EVO KOF XIII when it happens!!!(and if I can't go, one of you cats from MD or Steve Harris better be there to rep :) ). I'm not tryin' to sound jacked up, but the talent is not just in those spots, its all over... It's like a stereograph, and that 3d image that pops out is the potential skill that could be... Maybe KOF XIII has to be a trend for some to play it, but at this point, if SNK can keep it up, then the scene can only grow even more. I mean, if at the end it ends up being US vs JP, and that cat's from Socal, I'ma support 'em... Don't get me wrong, I support anyone playing KOF, but I'm tired of the stigma that hangs over us... That joint needs to shatter and be destroyed... This is the same for several other games as well, and they need to be shattered, too...
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 02, 2011, 09:06:19 PM
I can agree with that if he felt something was wrong he should have done so before the match was over. It definitely going to be exciting to see what happens after the console version. I'm hoping that KOF does make it to EVO next year. I definitely want to see it at Final Round here in GA.

It'll be at Final Round in March and I have a score to settle with a few people in Atlanta so you can expect to see me there going for that Pimp Cup in KOF13..

Jinxhand:

Next year it's gonna be mark my words I've told you the formula:

SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That's the formula for your top 10 right there lol...
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: jinxhand on August 02, 2011, 09:19:12 PM
Jinxhand:

Next year it's gonna be mark my words I've told you the formula:

SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That's the formula for your top 10 right there lol...

I'm not gonna conform to that monotony... ;) Obama was only right about one thing: It's time for change. Well, I say this:

It's time for KOF change!!!

Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 02, 2011, 09:51:29 PM
Jinxhand:

Next year it's gonna be mark my words I've told you the formula:

SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That's the formula for your top 10 right there lol...

I'm not gonna conform to that monotony... ;) Obama was only right about one thing: It's time for change. Well, I say this:

It's time for KOF change!!!



Well I'd be willing to put a wager of some sort I'm that sure that's going to be the formula for your top 10 if not 15..

I mean let me remind you all not only is Kula getting his visa but also we have others like Luis Cha and Coco trying to get their visas now....

Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: desmond_kof on August 02, 2011, 10:57:25 PM


SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That is NOT going to happen, it will be every man, woman and child for themselves!

Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 02, 2011, 11:02:09 PM


SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That is NOT going to happen, it will be every man, woman and child for themselves!



Of course, but when you look at the results, that's what it's going to look like, all the top 10-15 spots are going to belong to either:

1. SoCal (Mr. KOF, Reynald, B.A.L.A., Kane317, Metaphysics, Fatacon,Giby, Nocturnal, THE ANSWER, Guero, Pepe, Chriskof, Yoshi, Romance, 4leaf, Realkim, etc..though they represent themselves, they also as a whole represent SoCal)

2. Me (Repping all of the USA and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico)

3. Mexico (B.A.L.A., Kula, El Rosa, Luis Cha, Me, Coco, Kane9999 who has a visa)/other parts of Latin America

4. Japan/other parts of Asia (No. 17, Dune, Shima, CAP, whoever)

So though every one is for themselves, they are representing an area, region, city etc. Those are your top 10-15 spots EASILY next year I'm calling it now...who wants to bet against me?

Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FreeRunner on August 02, 2011, 11:42:06 PM


SoCal vs. Me vs. Mexico vs. Japan....

That is NOT going to happen, it will be every man, woman and child for themselves!



Of course, but when you look at the results, that's what it's going to look like, all the top 10-15 spots are going to belong to either:

1. SoCal (Mr. KOF, Reynald, B.A.L.A., Kane317, Metaphysics, Fatacon,Giby, Nocturnal, THE ANSWER, Guero, Pepe, Chriskof, Yoshi, Romance, 4leaf, Realkim, etc..though they represent themselves, they also as a whole represent SoCal)

2. Me (Repping all of the USA and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico)

3. Mexico (B.A.L.A., Kula, El Rosa, Luis Cha, Me, Coco, Kane9999 who has a visa)/other parts of Latin America

4. Japan/other parts of Asia (No. 17, Dune, Shima, CAP, whoever)

So though every one is for themselves, they are representing an area, region, city etc. Those are your top 10-15 spots EASILY next year I'm calling it now...who wants to bet against me?



Those be fighting words lad :P.

I won't let either of you or anyone else have their way. If nobody in my neck of the woods gonna stand up to you or any of the favorites, I guess I will have to. It's time for the lighting star to shine, I will not be denied by anyone >:D!!!
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 12:20:04 AM
Okay guys, just remember when this happens next year "I told you so!"  ;)

I admire the courage I do I really do, and truth of the matter is it's gonna take this type of attitude, dedication as a whole that I've been talking about for things to change. It won't be an easy feat cracking that Top 10-15 I'm telling you guys, it's going to require as much dedication and commitment etc to KOF13 as we have AT THE LEAST as well as access to competition that we have....


If you want to do this you have to have someone that's going to be willing to push you, not be satisfied with just where you are ever, and willing to go the extra ten miles to crack The Top 15..especially if you don't have access to SoCal/Mexico/Latin America+Asia level competition around you...

No excuses, no not being willing to sacrifice, you have to realize this comes with the territory. If you want those spots you gotta fight for them, meaning you gotta be a nerd, you gotta learn the game NOT JUST THE TIERS, and you have to seek out the best competition you can at almost anyway possible (online, offline, travel etc)...or it will reflect in the skill gap when you compete against "The Top 10-15" I was just speaking about. Remember everyone, SoCal nor ANY of those areas are NOT going to get ANY weaker!!!


I have laid out the foundation for anyone that doesn't have immediate access to that level competition around them everyday (SoCal/Mexico/NYC/Latin America/Asia) to crack that Top 10-15 and gain respect..but are you willing to be that dedicated?? (I myself am proof it can be done people!!!!)

Only YOU can answer that question....

-DG
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 02:19:26 AM
Holy Crap! I placed at 33!? I thought I was dead last. A small part of me wants to know how that happened, but a somewhat larger part of me says "don't you dare freakin' tell me or I'll cut yer throats!" ;)

Speaking seriously, it was a great event to be a part of. Met a lot of awesome people like giby, the answer, kane317, duc (who kicked my ass big time), and many more. Wish I could remember all the names. Hopefully I will make it next year, but my financial situation makes that seem unlikely. Then again, a lot can change in a year so I'm going to hope for the best.

@Dark Geese: Your profile says you are in Texas. You wouldn't happen to be anywhere near the Dallas area would you? I'm struggling to find people locally who will play any KOF games with me. Besides, it would be awesome to have a chance to learn from such a high level player as yourself.

Dude I'll send you a PM I need someone to play on a weekly basis..sending you a PM now one hour outside of Dallas.

Play with me and I guarantee you you won't get 33rd next year....

And like that, a new grasshopper is born.  /OT

Yessir we have begun the arrangements..Geese Tower matches will return in full fledged glory!!!

Oh yeah also so you guys don't doubt where I stand on this whole thing:

Dark Geese Update 8-2-11: Rule Changes to LAC 2k11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JWrookDGDY#ws)
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FreeRunner on August 03, 2011, 03:34:13 AM
I'm not trying to be messed up, but so what if Kula and company are getting visas... I'm tired of these "threats" being waved around... I'm not angry or anything, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm just speaking as a forum fr-enemy... I have mad respect for all of you cats doing things for the KOF community worldwide; I'm just tired of people accepting the status quo of Mex/Jp/Cali dominating period and not doing a damn thing about it. Sure, they paid their dues, and I'm not the greatest around (I think I'm ok, but I'll let you cats decide that from matches/sessions/whatever), but I'm just not determined to let things stay the same way, and I'm not gonna be one of those cats in the "easy ride" pools that you can get over on easy to place in the brackets...

I mean its like those NY 3S players who decided to stop their East/West beef and put their focus on Japan, because they were the ones to beat in 3S and now in SF4. They were tired of Japan just coming on the scene and putting dudes on beat street for their tournament money... And I know for me its more than money and all that jazz... I'm sure everyone here feels the same way (but I mean some dough in the pocket is nice though)...

Well said, FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!


All I heard since I signed up for DC was "Mexico this, Japan that". If I got money for how many times Kula's name was dropped, I'd be pretty freakin rich right now. I too am tired of being told to fear these people. I'm tired of their cheerleaders, I'm tired of the same people taking everything. I want that top player status for once and have fun doing it. Better than being talked down to by stream monsters all day, might as well put in my best effort.
Title: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 03:36:50 AM
I'm not trying to be messed up, but so what if Kula and company are getting visas... I'm tired of these "threats" being waved around... I'm not angry or anything, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm just speaking as a forum fr-enemy... I have mad respect for all of you cats doing things for the KOF community worldwide; I'm just tired of people accepting the status quo of Mex/Jp/Cali dominating period and not doing a damn thing about it. Sure, they paid their dues, and I'm not the greatest around (I think I'm ok, but I'll let you cats decide that from matches/sessions/whatever), but I'm just not determined to let things stay the same way, and I'm not gonna be one of those cats in the "easy ride" pools that you can get over on easy to place in the brackets...

I mean its like those NY 3S players who decided to stop their East/West beef and put their focus on Japan, because they were the ones to beat in 3S and now in SF4. They were tired of Japan just coming on the scene and putting dudes on beat street for their tournament money... And I know for me its more than money and all that jazz... I'm sure everyone here feels the same way (but I mean some dough in the pocket is nice though)...

Well said, FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!


All I heard since I signed up for DC was "Mexico this, Japan that". If I got money for how many times Kula's name was dropped, I'd be pretty freakin rich right now. I too am tired of being told to fear these people. I'm tired of their cheerleaders, I'm tired of the same people taking everything. I want that top player status for once and have fun doing it. Better than being talked down to by stream monsters all day, might as well put in my best effort.

Then I ask what are you guys going to do about it?

It's one thing again to be pumped up after EVO...but you gotta have a plan...and more than likely just playing the people around the USA isn't going to be good enough to cut it (been there done that I saw it didn't work so I tried something else)..

Also just talked to Khannibal..he will have his visa next year as well and he's coming for KOF13...so again it's going to be very hard to crack Top 10/15 next year at EVO....

Only the strong will survive..no time for dabblers....

Go hard or go home!

KOF13 is going to be a cutthroat affair next year at EVO I assure you..

You can be sick of hearing about them, but you also gotta know what it's going to take to defeat them.

I've been telling people what it's going to take for 6 years now, I hope maybe people are finally listening...

If you wanna be the best you cant do just what the best are doing..you have to do MORE than what the best are doing.

If you wanna crack Top 10/15 you gotta do MORE THAN WHAT THE TOP 10/15 ARE DOING.

Shoot for the Stars and you may not hit them but you will be amongst the clouds.

If you stay at home all day and don't play strong competitors or don't have a strong plan to make sure you get to Top 10/15, how can you be sure you are going to get there?

That's like me saying I'm driving to San Diego California right now without a map!

Again guys I'm saying turn this enthusiasm INTO A PLAN OF ACTION...or it will go to waste, I've seen it for 6 years now, people get pumped up after EVO..then it dies down a few months later when something "else" comes out....

You guys must be PRO-active not RE-ACTIVE..
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: VinnAleixoFM on August 03, 2011, 05:23:49 AM
If I Go to EVO 2012*, will be:

California vs. Dark Geese vs. Mexico vs. Japan vs. ME (optional: vs. other Brazil KOF players, if they go to EVO)

*ok, it'll be extreme hard because I'm in Brazil and I need to take passport and "green card" to travel to US

PS: BRAZILIAN KOF 2002 PLAYERS ARE NOT GRANTED TO PLAY KOF XIII
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 05:51:20 AM
If I Go to EVO 2012*, will be:

California vs. Dark Geese vs. Mexico vs. Japan vs. ME (optional: vs. other Brazil KOF players, if they go to EVO)

*ok, it'll be extreme hard because I'm in Brazil and I need to take passport and "green card" to travel to US

PS: BRAZILIAN KOF 2002 PLAYERS ARE NOT GRANTED TO PLAY KOF XIII

I've actually been hearing about Chileans, Peruvians, Argentianians etc playing KOF13..so we welcome you coming my friend!!! It's going to be a very difficult tournament to win, for sure rank even Top 15 that much I can assure you...
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 03, 2011, 08:28:03 AM
Quick Disclaimer:  I know I've said this before, but not everyone in socal shares the same sentiments that DG has expressed.  I'm sure when console comes out we'll have just as a hard time to scratch top15 as there's a lot of hungry talent out there.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
I don't think you guys will have just as hard a time. You've already had access to playing 1.1 at a high level for about a year now. Everyone else will be playing catch up (Didn't you say that before in regards to Mexico getting it on console? Well I'm using the same argument, just more extreme in regards to North American players because many of them will be starting KOF for the first time/playing it seriously for the first time and thus have a lot more to learn), and for a lot of people playing catchup means:

1. Learning how to Hyperhop
2. Learning the basic fundamentals of KOF in general
3. Learning matchups
4. Learning the tweaks 1.1 has to console
5. Learning the concept of  HD cough cough *BC  Comboes*
6. Finding access to hardcore HIGH LEVEL competition that knows all of the above-The toughest part and as the credit card commercials would say: "PRICELESS."

All this seasoned veterans will know and thus will be able to jump into the game just like that.

Those areas I have listed? (SoCal, Mexico, Japan, me, Latin America, Asia)

Those are seasoned veterans...

Plus you guys have an advantage of having access to high level competition readily available.

Even if online is damn near perfect, I'll still take access to high level competition right around me, and you guys have an abundance of it.

Some of you take it for granted (we've had this discussion at ReveLAtions about some sides should go play vs. the other more often)...

Try to just start with KOF13 Oct. 25th/27th as your first KOF and you'll be fighting an insanely uphill battle...

That'd be like me saying I'm gonna crack Top 10/15 at EVO in UMVC3 next year but I've never played a Marvel type game hardcore at a professional type level in my life...

Guys one thing you will see about me: I am a realist and I'm a tough teacher. Though many as Kane317 says may not agree with me, there are also those that do, and those that don't want to say what I say for PR reasons. I will say it the way it is because I feel people need to hear it and if you know then you can do something about it. If you know there's a snake outside you then can go outside knowing that and go around it.

In regards to KOF13:  Your best bet people is again to get as good as you can at the older ones so you can already enter with your foot in the door knowing how KOF works.

You can get previous top players in other games like Justin Wong etc learning KOF13, but again if they aren't going to be willing to play it seriously and only are going to dabble in it, then they too are going to see themselves fighting an uphill battle at EVO to even get Top 10/15 (will get mislead at other tournaments like Final Round ranking high at these tournaments because the skill level isn't as strong)...

I.E. See Fubarduck at ReveLAtions..you may be the best at Arcade UFO at KOF13, but it's going to take a lot more than that just to avoid last place.... And furthermore to go deeper, if that's the best that region has to offer and that got last place, that should clearly tell a lot of you how much more time you have to put into the game to even get out of last place!!

Not to take a shot at him, but just to make a CLEAR point to everyone....to let you know the amount of work it's going to take to Crack Top10/15....

Again talk is cheap...we are going to separate the men from the boys...

Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FreeRunner on August 03, 2011, 09:13:48 PM
I don't think you guys will have just as hard a time. You've already had access to playing 1.1 at a high level for about a year now. Everyone else will be playing catch up (Didn't you say that before in regards to Mexico getting it on console? Well I'm using the same argument, just more extreme in regards to North American players because many of them will be starting KOF for the first time/playing it seriously for the first time and thus have a lot more to learn), and for a lot of people playing catchup means:

1. Learning how to Hyperhop
2. Learning the basic fundamentals of KOF in general
3. Learning matchups
4. Learning the tweaks 1.1 has to console
5. Learning the concept of  HD cough cough *BC  Comboes*
6. Finding access to hardcore HIGH LEVEL competition that knows all of the above-The toughest part and as the credit card commercials would say: "PRICELESS."

All this seasoned veterans will know and thus will be able to jump into the game just like that.

Those areas I have listed? (SoCal, Mexico, Japan, me, Latin America, Asia)

Those are seasoned veterans...

Plus you guys have an advantage of having access to high level competition readily available.

Even if online is damn near perfect, I'll still take access to high level competition right around me, and you guys have an abundance of it.

Some of you take it for granted (we've had this discussion at ReveLAtions about some sides should go play vs. the other more often)...

Try to just start with KOF13 Oct. 25th/27th as your first KOF and you'll be fighting an insanely uphill battle...

That'd be like me saying I'm gonna crack Top 10/15 at EVO in UMVC3 next year but I've never played a Marvel type game hardcore at a professional type level in my life...

Guys one thing you will see about me: I am a realist and I'm a tough teacher. Though many as Kane317 says may not agree with me, there are also those that do, and those that don't want to say what I say for PR reasons. I will say it the way it is because I feel people need to hear it and if you know then you can do something about it. If you know there's a snake outside you then can go outside knowing that and go around it.

In regards to KOF13:  Your best bet people is again to get as good as you can at the older ones so you can already enter with your foot in the door knowing how KOF works.

You can get previous top players in other games like Justin Wong etc learning KOF13, but again if they aren't going to be willing to play it seriously and only are going to dabble in it, then they too are going to see themselves fighting an uphill battle at EVO to even get Top 10/15 (will get mislead at other tournaments like Final Round ranking high at these tournaments because the skill level isn't as strong)...

I.E. See Fubarduck at ReveLAtions..you may be the best at Arcade UFO at KOF13, but it's going to take a lot more than that just to avoid last place.... And furthermore to go deeper, if that's the best that region has to offer and that got last place, that should clearly tell a lot of you how much more time you have to put into the game to even get out of last place!!

Not to take a shot at him, but just to make a CLEAR point to everyone....to let you know the amount of work it's going to take to Crack Top10/15....

Again talk is cheap...we are going to separate the men from the boys...



NYC has access to KOFXIII as well. Who said some of us are jumping in this without a plan? I have access to 02um as well. I'm reading, researching, experimenting and applying everything I read on this site so far. I'm pretty sure many people did the same thing too. Don't underestimate us hungry folk, we don't mind having the people looking down on us for lunch. You can be sure there will be events in the EC when this comes out, especially in NYC. SoCal and anyone else are welcome.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 09:52:42 PM
I don't think you guys will have just as hard a time. You've already had access to playing 1.1 at a high level for about a year now. Everyone else will be playing catch up (Didn't you say that before in regards to Mexico getting it on console? Well I'm using the same argument, just more extreme in regards to North American players because many of them will be starting KOF for the first time/playing it seriously for the first time and thus have a lot more to learn), and for a lot of people playing catchup means:

1. Learning how to Hyperhop
2. Learning the basic fundamentals of KOF in general
3. Learning matchups
4. Learning the tweaks 1.1 has to console
5. Learning the concept of  HD cough cough *BC  Comboes*
6. Finding access to hardcore HIGH LEVEL competition that knows all of the above-The toughest part and as the credit card commercials would say: "PRICELESS."

All this seasoned veterans will know and thus will be able to jump into the game just like that.

Those areas I have listed? (SoCal, Mexico, Japan, me, Latin America, Asia)

Those are seasoned veterans...

Plus you guys have an advantage of having access to high level competition readily available.

Even if online is damn near perfect, I'll still take access to high level competition right around me, and you guys have an abundance of it.

Some of you take it for granted (we've had this discussion at ReveLAtions about some sides should go play vs. the other more often)...

Try to just start with KOF13 Oct. 25th/27th as your first KOF and you'll be fighting an insanely uphill battle...

That'd be like me saying I'm gonna crack Top 10/15 at EVO in UMVC3 next year but I've never played a Marvel type game hardcore at a professional type level in my life...

Guys one thing you will see about me: I am a realist and I'm a tough teacher. Though many as Kane317 says may not agree with me, there are also those that do, and those that don't want to say what I say for PR reasons. I will say it the way it is because I feel people need to hear it and if you know then you can do something about it. If you know there's a snake outside you then can go outside knowing that and go around it.

In regards to KOF13:  Your best bet people is again to get as good as you can at the older ones so you can already enter with your foot in the door knowing how KOF works.

You can get previous top players in other games like Justin Wong etc learning KOF13, but again if they aren't going to be willing to play it seriously and only are going to dabble in it, then they too are going to see themselves fighting an uphill battle at EVO to even get Top 10/15 (will get mislead at other tournaments like Final Round ranking high at these tournaments because the skill level isn't as strong)...

I.E. See Fubarduck at ReveLAtions..you may be the best at Arcade UFO at KOF13, but it's going to take a lot more than that just to avoid last place.... And furthermore to go deeper, if that's the best that region has to offer and that got last place, that should clearly tell a lot of you how much more time you have to put into the game to even get out of last place!!

Not to take a shot at him, but just to make a CLEAR point to everyone....to let you know the amount of work it's going to take to Crack Top10/15....

Again talk is cheap...we are going to separate the men from the boys...



NYC has access to KOFXIII as well. Who said some of us are jumping in this without a plan? I have access to 02um as well. I'm reading, researching, experimenting and applying everything I read on this site so far. I'm pretty sure many people did the same thing too. Don't underestimate us hungry folk, we don't mind having the people looking down on us for lunch. You can be sure there will be events in the EC when this comes out, especially in NYC. SoCal and anyone else are welcome.

I hope so, I hope I'm wrong I really do, because it's been 6 years + in the making....trying to fight the trends..with little to no luck here in the USA...and then seeing much hungrier people in other countries...


Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FreeRunner on August 03, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
With KOFXIII incoming, more players like myself are making themselves heard and known. Trust me, SoCal aren't the only ones interested in actually learning the game. I'm sure there will be alot less dabblers around this time. I'm sure SoCal's experience will rub off on many regions (especially mine), as long as we put in the effort, we'll be fine. We have alot of hard work ahead of us to disprove that prediction though, I'm not gonna lie. Let's all work to be the exception :).

Just don't X-Copy anyone people, seriously XD.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 11:16:09 PM
With KOFXIII incoming, more players like myself are making themselves heard and known. Trust me, SoCal aren't the only ones interested in actually learning the game. I'm sure there will be alot less dabblers around this time. I'm sure SoCal's experience will rub off on many regions (especially mine), as long as we put in the effort, we'll be fine. We have alot of hard work ahead of us to disprove that prediction though, I'm not gonna lie. Let's all work to be the exception :).

Just don't X-Copy anyone people, seriously XD.

I like this attitude a go-getter!!

Listen to this guy everyone!!!!! =)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: 4leaf on August 03, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
I doubt that anyone actually have any problems or disagree (maybe just you?) with what FreeRunner was saying in previous posts. I actually agree with most, if not all of what he stated. I'm definitely not ruling out a possibility that at least one of the groups you listed may not even end up in the top 15 unless this ended up being a 15 man tourney consisting of that said list.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 03, 2011, 11:24:08 PM
Don't underestimate us hungry folk, we don't mind having the people looking down on us for lunch. You can be sure there will be events in the EC when this comes out, ,especially in NYC. SoCal and anyone else are welcome.

Once again, we're not looking down on anyone.  DG's posts does not reflect the SoCal community, I just want to make that clear.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 03, 2011, 11:28:02 PM
RJ's also traveled to NEC as well as THE ANSWER and others, and they also have seen the severe gap in skill in some of these other areas/regions of the USA in relation to where they currently are in California.

So I'm not just huffing smoke here, I'm stating a 6 year observation of what I've noticed here in the USA from traveling to NEC, MWC, Final Round, EVO East, EVO World, the old ChinaTown Fair, SoCal, North Carolina, Mexico, Minnesota, Texas Showdown, all these places and comparing what I have seen.

I wish more people had your attitude and wouldn't just say empty promises, I'm tired of empty promises, as someone who traveled around the USA for years and years, this is what I have seen. Some things just never changed, skill level never improved, and I could've stopped playing the SNK/KOF games for 2-3 years and still felt I could've shown up to many of these places and won the tournaments.

There is no glory in that for me, thus I am putting it before the rest of you to level yourself up so that more players from SoCal and other regions would want to come to your place to play!!

Remember how Justin Wong winning 98UM affected our community people at Powerup??

This is part of the stigma you have to lose. Justin Wong is not at the level in KOF to defeat veterans, thus you people need to be able to beat him!!!!


I'm just stating things the way they are guys the ugly, truth that we all must face and confront AS A COUNTRY!

You wanna talk about people "looking down" on others? You should see how other countries AS A WHOLE look down on the USA!

This history I have spoken about as well as GGPO and other things for years have contributed to this! We all need to look in the mirror and be on the same page to correct this!!!

I have much less patience more than likely with this kind of stuff than probably most people because of what I've had to deal with pushing the US SNK scene forward and getting little response in return!!!

I hope I am causing every one of you to look in the mirror and get motivated to prove ME WRONG..that is what it's going to take and I will feel GREAT for posting this in the end if that happens!

If it happens this way I will wish I would've done this EARLIER..instead of waiting 6 years to push a few buttons!!

xD

-DG
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: kula on August 04, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
hello kula puebla

the reason for this post is to clarify many things which people in other countries are not reported many people think that we Mexicans are egocentric ...... but this is not true that we have a bad reputation is because Mexicans of little people of Mexico is dedicated to posting negative comments and rude, it is sometimes see the halls where the videos do think they are offensive, in my part lobbies do is to warm the minds of that end is a little show of video games, not about attacking people just like me to do exciting to be clear this.
bullet is an excellent player but not without knowing jusguen to kofers de mexico
if you come and talk with us notice that we are simple people, quiet and humble as you all, thank you.
darkgesse thank you for all your support for the Mexican kofers
KULA carefully
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 12:13:14 AM
What Kula is saying is it is the actions of a few that makes many Mexicans look bad. He also is saying whatever you all see in regards to him and my tournaments is "Part of the Show." Nothing more nothing less, it is part of the show to entertain, but it is not the way Mexicans are. Everything you are seeing now is a result of "The Show"...but we talk "Behind the Scenes" to make people know that we are all about respect..though you all may not "necessarily see it on the videos"..Kula and Hummer talked extensively and trust me things are better than you would be led to believe...

Kula doesn't mind being the "bad guy" just to market things further...

Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: kula on August 04, 2011, 12:24:44 AM
es hora de que toda la gente que es negativa se ponga  a jugar, estoy seguro que si en estados unidos jugaran mas la kof serian un gran rival a vencer espero ir el proximo año  al evo.
al torneo de  kofXIII  para consola
KULA
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 12:33:12 AM
es hora de que toda la gente que es negativa se ponga  a jugar, estoy seguro que si en estados unidos jugaran mas la kof serian un gran rival a vencer espero ir el proximo año  al evo.
al torneo de  kofXIII  para consola
KULA

Translation:

It's time for everyone to change the negative stigma that you've (The USA) been getting around the world and begin to play seriously. I am sure that in the USA you all will play KOF more and you will be a great rival in the future and I will see you guys at EVO net year for the KOF13 console tournament.

-Kula
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Mr.KOF on August 04, 2011, 12:33:38 AM
What Kula is saying is it is the actions of a few that makes many Mexicans look bad. He also is saying whatever you all see in regards to him and my tournaments is "Part of the Show." Nothing more nothing less, it is part of the show to entertain, but it is not the way Mexicans are. Everything you are seeing now is a result of "The Show"...but we talk "Behind the Scenes" to make people know that we are all about respect..though you all may not "necessarily see it on the videos"..Kula and Hummer talked extensively and trust me things are better than you would be led to believe...

Kula doesn't mind being the "bad guy" just to market things further...

He also does not condone the actions of Armando....

All I'm saying is if anyone wants international exposure in KoF you've got to have to respect,integrity and be a professional. This is not Street Fighter where in areas you can shit talk all you want. We first need to unite as a community and build this scene without overhyping it. We need to have a one voice *i.e.* at EVO when rufus performs his ultra and the crowd is readily to put their hands in the air and yell "BOOM"! We need that people!
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: kula on August 04, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
cuando vaya al evo tratare de ganarles a todos,  a partir del 29 de octubre entrenare la kof xiii para consola para ps3
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FataCon on August 04, 2011, 12:46:21 AM
What Kula is saying is it is the actions of a few that makes many Mexicans look bad. He also is saying whatever you all see in regards to him and my tournaments is "Part of the Show." Nothing more nothing less, it is part of the show to entertain, but it is not the way Mexicans are. Everything you are seeing now is a result of "The Show"...but we talk "Behind the Scenes" to make people know that we are all about respect..though you all may not "necessarily see it on the videos"..Kula and Hummer talked extensively and trust me things are better than you would be led to believe...

Kula doesn't mind being the "bad guy" just to market things further...

He also does not condone the actions of Armando....

All I'm saying is if anyone wants international exposure in KoF you've got to have to respect,integrity and be a professional. This is not Street Fighter where in areas you can shit talk all you want. We first need to unite as a community and build this scene without overhyping it. We need to have a one voice *i.e.* at EVO when rufus performs his ultra and the crowd is readily to put their hands in the air and yell "BOOM"! We need that people!

This means we need someone to pick up Goro as a main. NEOMAX!

I agree with Mr. KOF, though. We gotta bring back that class. Showing respect is what earns respect.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 12:51:29 AM
What Kula is saying is it is the actions of a few that makes many Mexicans look bad. He also is saying whatever you all see in regards to him and my tournaments is "Part of the Show." Nothing more nothing less, it is part of the show to entertain, but it is not the way Mexicans are. Everything you are seeing now is a result of "The Show"...but we talk "Behind the Scenes" to make people know that we are all about respect..though you all may not "necessarily see it on the videos"..Kula and Hummer talked extensively and trust me things are better than you would be led to believe...

Kula doesn't mind being the "bad guy" just to market things further...

He also does not condone the actions of Armando....

All I'm saying is if anyone wants international exposure in KoF you've got to have to respect,integrity and be a professional. This is not Street Fighter where in areas you can shit talk all you want. We first need to unite as a community and build this scene without overhyping it. We need to have a one voice *i.e.* at EVO when rufus performs his ultra and the crowd is readily to put their hands in the air and yell "BOOM"! We need that people!

And what I'm saying is we all need to look in the mirror, be it talk about what you are talking about, or the dirty truth about what I'm talking about how some places need to get stronger or whatever.

We have too many divisions amongst ourselves. It's hard for everyone to be on the same page when you got that many divisions..so what you say makes sense as well.

I see both sides to a degree and this is how I look at it:

-We must all have respect, class, integrity with what we do.
-We must walk the fine line between doing all that, and at the same time being entertaining.

So for example trust me when Kula and Mr. KOF do meet and play, win lose or draw, trust me Kula will be respectful you can rest assured on that... (He agrees with what you say John believe it or not lol, it's just like Tyson vs. Holyfield, on tv they look like sworn enemies, but I will make sure in REALITY it'll be nothing like that!)

That is a God given choice that everyone must choose to make. I am the Hype man, I hype things up make them exciting, but I try to keep things as respectful as possible as we are getting to the bottom line of the whole Armando thing right now rest assured people!
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 01:30:39 AM
Guys we have gotten to the bottom of the Armando-RJ Stick issue- it has been resolved and RJ genuinely felt it was something wrong with the stick so that's why he wanted to change it, so it doesn't seem like cheating as much as it was something "may have been wrong with the stick at the time."

If RJ genuinely felt something may have been wrong with the stick, then that's probably the end of that.

RJ doesn't feel cheated perse...and since things are worked out between RJ and BALA, then this is really finished.

But trust me, there is more to come..about other things...the cat's about to be let out of the bag...
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 04, 2011, 01:55:00 AM
Guys we have gotten to the bottom of the Armando-RJ Stick issue- it has been resolved and RJ genuinely felt it was something wrong with the stick so that's why he wanted to change it, so it doesn't seem like cheating as much as it was something "may have been wrong with the stick at the time."

If RJ genuinely felt something may have been wrong with the stick, then that's probably the end of that.

RJ doesn't feel cheated perse...and since things are worked out between RJ and BALA, then this is really finished.

But trust me, there is more to come..about other things...the cat's about to be let out of the bag...

As one of the official actually present, and not just speculating heresay, I was not convince at all the joystick was broken.  We tested it before and we tested it afterwards.

Having said that, you're missing the point, he called it on the last round right before he was going to be eliminated, that's just poor sportsmanship.  The ruling for the point for RJ is pretty clear on the case, and all four of the judges agreed on it so I don't understand why you're trying to justify his actions Lukas.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 02:02:55 AM
Guys we have gotten to the bottom of the Armando-RJ Stick issue- it has been resolved and RJ genuinely felt it was something wrong with the stick so that's why he wanted to change it, so it doesn't seem like cheating as much as it was something "may have been wrong with the stick at the time."

If RJ genuinely felt something may have been wrong with the stick, then that's probably the end of that.

RJ doesn't feel cheated perse...and since things are worked out between RJ and BALA, then this is really finished.

But trust me, there is more to come..about other things...the cat's about to be let out of the bag...

As one of the official actually present, and not just speculating heresay, I was not convince at all the joystick was broken.  We tested it before and we tested it afterwards.

Having said that, you're missing the point, he called it on the last round right before he was going to be eliminated, that's just poor sportsmanship.  The ruling for the point for RJ is pretty clear on the case, and all four of the judges agreed on it so I don't understand why you're trying to justify his actions Lukas.

Yuhang, I've talked to RJ, Armando, Oscar about all of this and trust me this is what we have all decided..I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.

It's about us getting past this and working together to put our differences aside us..this is all I am trying to do (while I feel its salvagable).


I agree calling it in the end is bad, agreed 100%, hence my rule stands, and I am talking to Armando about this now, so trust me this I am addressing this with him..

But trust me when I say this, this is the least of you guys' concerns, there's going to be something much bigger than this that's going to surface....
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 04, 2011, 02:11:17 AM
Yuhang, I've talked to RJ, Armando, Oscar about all of this and trust me this is what we have all decided..I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.

With all due respect, it was what all the 4 judges present decided, it has nothing to do with anyone else.  It doesn't really matter what RJ says, or what Armando says, that's why we have judges/officials/staff.

The same reason I don't get involved in the Skato incident, because it's really none of my business and I don't to speculate anything since I wasn't there.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: THE ANSWER on August 04, 2011, 02:14:52 AM
WOW! Seriously WOW! I can't believe how this issue was blown out of proportion. I'll be making my official post EVO address tonight.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 02:17:29 AM
Yuhang, I've talked to RJ, Armando, Oscar about all of this and trust me this is what we have all decided..I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.

With all due respect, it was what all the 4 judges present decided, it has nothing to do with anyone else.  It doesn't really matter what RJ says, or what Armando says, that's why we have judges/officials/staff.

I understand I'm not arguing the call I'm just trying to do what I call "damage control."

Basically all I'm trying to do is make sure we can all work past this.

I'm not saying your decision was a bad call  (I would've made the same call and check this- if I was there guess what? I wouldve been staff so I agree 150% dont think I don't) because if you see my video I posted, in my tournaments I make the final decision so I understand your POV 100%.

All I am trying to do is make sure we can all get past this as much as possible that's really it.

For some people, as long as the issue is worked out between the two people, then there is no issue, and I'm just trying to now get everyone on the same page.

I don't question you guys judgment again remember I'm talking to Armando about everything that's going on right now...
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 04, 2011, 02:28:53 AM
Yuhang, I've talked to RJ, Armando, Oscar about all of this and trust me this is what we have all decided..I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.

With all due respect, it was what all the 4 judges present decided, it has nothing to do with anyone else.  It doesn't really matter what RJ says, or what Armando says, that's why we have judges/officials/staff.

I understand I'm not arguing the call I'm just trying to do what I call "damage control."

Basically all I'm trying to do is make sure we can all work past this.

I'm not saying your decision was a bad call  (I would've made the same call and check this- if I was there guess what? I wouldve been staff so I agree 150% dont think I don't) because if you see my video I posted, in my tournaments I make the final decision so I understand your POV 100%.

All I am trying to do is make sure we can all get past this as much as possible that's really it.

For some people, as long as the issue is worked out between the two people, then there is no issue, and I'm just trying to now get everyone on the same page.

I don't question you guys judgment again remember I'm talking to Armando about everything that's going on right now...

There's is no real damage to control.  It's been done.  There's no issue between two ppl, Armando and RJ as far as I know. 

There's nothing really to be said about the incident, you can't change the past and you can't change the ruling.   We don't hate Armando and we recognize he has skill, but it's hard to respect someone with poor sportsmanship.  He'll have to re-earn our respect over time and that's really the only thing he can do at this point.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: FataCon on August 04, 2011, 02:29:14 AM
Look, guys. We got the tournament results already. Sure, there was controversy about what happened, but the event is over. People will feel how they want to feel about it, and that's that. There's no point in stirring the pot over and over on things in the past. However you feel about it, is a personal thing. Sure, it was bad, but we can't stop to blow up every single thing that happens within the community. There are bigger and better things we have to look forward to, and we can't focus on them if all we think about is controversy. Let's keep our discussions positive and objective. With all the hype generated from XIII at EVO, we're all in the fighting game community spotlight more than ever. I'm sure you all wouldn't want us to be known for petty squabbling. I know I don't.

That said, I once again want to restate my thanks for everyone who was involved and everyone who participated. I think pretty much everyone came away with a good experience overall. Let's use this experience to build on and keep our events constantly improving for the future!

@DG: I am going to flat out say this: In the future, I would hope that you would refrain from making everything seem like a spectacle. If you want to resolve conflicts, do so with confidentiality and professionalism, rather than blow it up on the boards.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 03:00:58 AM
Okay guys Armando is talking from a Ipod so I am posting what he wants to say about this:

"Thank you for making the tournament possible. I have too many things to talk about.

1. Something that bothers me is how I see the community react after seeing some of their idols lose.

2. About the RJ situation, I was never in risk of being eliminated, at the end I accepted losing 1-0 and that they would give that to RJ because it was very late in the first match. When the 2nd match began, RJ said he did not want the 1-0 ruling, even RJ with his own eyes saw the stick wasn't functioning properly the A and D buttons accordingly, and in the end that was the only thing to me that mattered and RJ saw that wasn't good enough. In regards to Mr. KOF testing the stick, that didn't mean much to me it was nothing but drama because I showed RJ that the stick was not working.

3. About me disrespecting Mr. KOF while he was listening to music: Mr. KOF was not looking for a song to play, he was talking to someone on the phone! I was ready to play, and I didn't say anything during the long two minutes while he was talking on the telephone.

 So whatever you guys want to believe if you want to believe what was said about everything, wasn't at the match, only RJ and Oscar truly know what happened.

4. Yuhang and Giby were quite far away from the arcades or anything while this was all happening even with the sticks, so what they are saying doesn't hold as much weight and what they are saying was interpreted from Mr. KOF and Reynald because they weren't around when all of this was happening.

5. I would've liked if the tournament would've been on the stream, but thats okay, and I have read many threads about misunderstandings and I am not a liar, and I feel there are a lot of misunderstandings right now.

I hope everything has been made much clearer and I hope people do not think badly of me, I respect everyone, but when someone does not respect me saying lies I have to respond as I am doing now, telling the truth.

Thank you Oscar for staying and doing the tournament for many additional hours. Thank you Oscar for running the tournament to perfection and please pardon me for the little bit of time in regards to the stick issue, you were the only one that could listen and understand what was happening because you were there throughout the entire tournament Thank you to Japan Arcade members for supporting me in the crucial points of the tournament, and thank you Realkim "The Legend" For the cigarettes.

You can say the console version is like the arcade but better than the arcade version."


FataCon- I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this so we can all move on. Most of the stuff has been said in private already trust me, and 98% of the stuff I am typing I have permission to post it....


What you see right now I have permission from Armando to post because he can't say what he wants to say right now due to it being on his Ipod.

You may not know that at the time but hey that's okay, I figured you may not as would most people. They won't understand everything until they see the big picture. That's all I'll say about that.

Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: sibarraz on August 04, 2011, 03:12:28 AM
hello kula puebla

the reason for this post is to clarify many things which people in other countries are not reported many people think that we Mexicans are egocentric ...... but this is not true that we have a bad reputation is because Mexicans of little people of Mexico is dedicated to posting negative comments and rude, it is sometimes see the halls where the videos do think they are offensive, in my part lobbies do is to warm the minds of that end is a little show of video games, not about attacking people just like me to do exciting to be clear this.
bullet is an excellent player but not without knowing jusguen to kofers de mexico
if you come and talk with us notice that we are simple people, quiet and humble as you all, thank you.
darkgesse thank you for all your support for the Mexican kofers
KULA carefully

I want to adress this

As an spanish speaker, I had knowledge that mexican KOF players could  be REALLY annoying, if not the most annoying kind of gamer that I had ever witnessed is like they act like ''your combo is shit'' ''I can beat you with one hand'' or even go into single player playtroguhh and bitch against the creator of the video about why they don't play at level 8

But at least reading the comments of guys like you, el rosa, or some others that are living in the USA, or some others mexicans here is could to see that not everyone is just an spoiled kid how makes an embarassment from mexico, and us kof players, and is cool to read some of the best player of the americas, I hope than some day the latin american cup becames bigger to fight against the guys from mexico peru and brazil who are respected even here on chile

And I really love mexico, had a great time when I spent my vacations there

Still, I don't like this attitude of ''Only this parts are good with KOF'' or SBO means nothing just judging a guy who hasn't played the game in a year, I really think that some players need to be a little more humble, we are not exactly a strong community anywhere, and is sad to hear all those incidents at EVO, but if we want to grow up, we just no need to look onto our game, but also as human beings.

At least, this is a beginning, we need more players from all the world, the advantage of KOF over other games IMO, is that you can make even more countries appear with strong players than just USA and Japan, KOF will always be the people's game
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 04, 2011, 03:18:08 AM
4. Yuhang and Giby were quite far away from the arcades or anything while this was all happening even with the sticks, so what they are saying doesn't hold as much weight and what they are saying was interpreted from Mr. KOF and Reynald because they weren't around when all of this was happening.

Incorrect, I was watching the match intently, I witness what happened with my own eyes as your match with RJ was considered a high profile match especially with how close it was with ReveLAtions.

Thank you Oscar for staying and doing the tournament for many additional hours. Thank you Oscar for running the tournament to perfection and please pardon me for the little bit of time in regards to the stick issue, you were the only one that could listen and understand what was happening because you were there throughout the entire tournament Thank you to Japan Arcade members for supporting me in the crucial points of the tournament, and thank you Realkim "The Legend" For the cigarettes.

I just want to put out that I was there as long as all of the other staff members were.  None of us took breaks except for one coffee run that Oscar made unless you count me running around finding players that have matches that were about to begin.

Okay guys Armando is talking from a Ipod so I am posting what he wants to say about this:

1. Something that bothers me is how I see the community react after seeing some of their idols lose.

Last of all, I have no idols, neither John or yourself is an idol of mine.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: VinnAleixoFM on August 04, 2011, 03:25:52 AM
es hora de que toda la gente que es negativa se ponga  a jugar, estoy seguro que si en estados unidos jugaran mas la kof serian un gran rival a vencer espero ir el proximo año  al evo.
al torneo de  kofXIII  para consola
KULA

off-topic: mismo que yo sea brasileño (pero no soy jugador de 2k2), buena suerte pra usted y su equipo en Latin America Cup en Peru. Yo admiro mucho la comunidad mexicana de KOF 13 tanto por su nível cuanto por ser los primeros non-estadounidenses a jugar este incrible juego, con la placa original de arcade. Desculpa por mi español "imperfecto"

on-topic: I hope KOF XIII american community can expand when the console version releases to not be resumed as Cali-NY.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 03:27:52 AM
Sibarraz- I am trying to fight the mentality of anyone giving any country a free pass period. Yes that "respect" as a whole must be earned, but that is really what I am trying to do is tell these people (even in the USA in places that aren't SoCal/my lair/NYC etc by MOTIVATING THEM because I know you can succeed without having access to competition immediately around you, but it seems some people aren't listening to this message so I am getting tired of spreading the message).

 People can't just say "We're gonna go beat Fuudo next year at EVO!" in SF, but not be willing to make the ultimate sacrifices to defeat Fuudo!!!

So me saying the whole SBO discussion, even as I was telling others here, that is in reply to the 10+ messages I got with people asking me "Who I thought was going to win EVO for KOF13" and them all saying they thought Xian was going to win it because he got Top 4 at SBO.

I'm working hard to fight this stereotype period, so it has nothing to me to do with humility per se, it's more that I want people to stop having this mentality and I will fight this to the end, this is part of the very tournament you speak of The Latin American Cup, it is time to give Latin America a time to shine from Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and open others eyes.  It's all about continuing to learn from other people and revisiting the very things you "know".

Aleixo: CaliNY Lol.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: metaphysics on August 04, 2011, 05:02:11 AM

So me saying the whole SBO discussion, even as I was telling others here, that is in reply to the 10+ messages I got with people asking me "Who I thought was going to win EVO for KOF13" and them all saying they thought Xian was going to win it because he got Top 4 at SBO.


hey man nobody who was at Evo thought Xian was gonna beat everybody in the tournament because most of us knew he hadn't played in a year, if anything we were surprised he did so well. And don't be so quick to discredit SBO he placed 4th stopped playing for a year, and came back to beat people who have playing it regularly since it came out.

people could be saying the same thing about your tournaments. I don't think it would be a good idea as a T.O. to discredit such a highly regarded tournament by using Xian's placing as an example that definitely does not hold weight.

of course I say this with utmost respect and simply stated why I differ in opinion
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Kane317 on August 04, 2011, 05:27:14 AM

So me saying the whole SBO discussion, even as I was telling others here, that is in reply to the 10+ messages I got with people asking me "Who I thought was going to win EVO for KOF13" and them all saying they thought Xian was going to win it because he got Top 4 at SBO.


hey man nobody who was at Evo thought Xian was gonna beat everybody in the tournament because most of us knew he hadn't played in a year, if anything we were surprised he did so well. And don't be so quick to discredit SBO he placed 4th stopped playing for a year, and came back to beat people who have playing it regularly since it came out.

people could be saying the same thing about your tournaments. I don't think it would be a good idea as a T.O. to discredit such a highly regarded tournament by using Xian's placing as an example that definitely does not hold weight.

of course I say this with utmost respect and simply stated why I differ in opinion

Agreed.

I don't care if it's the winner of SBO '10 for XIII, or the 4th placer.  If he hasn't played in a year, he's going to have a hard time regardless; Nobody thought he was going to win, but we knew he would be a challenge.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: desmond_kof on August 04, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
I'm about THIS close to closing this thread. I feel like nothing constructive or helpful is coming out of this thread, its mainly just finger pointing and bringing that controversial situation that happened at EVO2011. If I see anymore mentioning about that rather than some building upon what we need to do to make a good show for EVO2012 then this thread will be closed and deleted. Understood?
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 02:09:41 PM
Talking in regards to the SBO thing and not the other situation, I can personally use my own fight against Mago in NGBC in 2007 to discredit SBO in addition to what I have heard from other Japanese players in regards to SBO itself.

All it is is a glorified Super Regional tournament with games mostly that appeal for promotion and change every year. This stuff is from the Japanese players themselves, so totally taking out the Xian situation, I still feel the way I feel after again beating Mago in NGBC and talking to Japanese players in depth (Hummer, Fujihara-san, Dune, Bata, Danke, and others) about SBO. People don't need to look at SBO as THE tournament, just look at it is a  glorified Super Regional that changes it's games every year, this is again not just from me, but from the ACTUAL JAPANESE PLAYERS THEMSELVES THAT GO TO SBO. According to them, Duelling the KOF actually holds more weight than SBO in regards to KOF, because it keeps the same games so we can truly see who is the best IN THAT REGION EVEN because the games are there over a longer period of time.

You can't truly judge who is the best I say in that Region over a long period of time if you just keep the game in for one year. It could change in that one region from year to year!!!

Hopefully this is the end of the SBO discussion so you guys see why I have my POV the way it is on that.

Now what do we need to do to make a good show in EVO 2012? Well these areas below need to step up their game so that we all can be on a respectful competitive level when KOF13 hits consoles and there won't be serious gap levels of skill from other parts of the USA:

1. North Carolina (Ex-Triad member P-Soul, I talk to him on facebook, I'm depending on him to take KOF13 to the next level to represent North Carolina!)

2. Ohio/Chicago

3. NYC (If some how we could get the Flushing FOBS to travel or people to get them to play KOF13 and others play to get to that level, but hey I know how hard that is..yes I know trust me...been there tried that with Arturo)

4. Minnesota (Desmond, Sina, lead the charge, if no one else wants to join, hey that's THEIR LOSS! If Minnesota can get on Sina's level you guys will all do fine!)

5. Texas in general (There's a huge gap between just myself and the rest of Texas!!!)

6. The South (Oklahoma, Atlanta, etc)

7. The NorthEast (NYC/Philly, NEC, etc)

Again guys I've traveled to these places over the past some on a consistent basis (NEC, Final Round, MWC,) so I feel qualified to tell people about the level of skill I have seen from going to these places, and that we need to make sure all these places are on the same skill level as SoCal or rather close if we want to avoid that ranking I was talking about because it can be a 60 man tournament, but if the gap is as wide as I have seen in my travels,

Then again the top 10-15 ranking spots will be going to:

1. SoCal
2. Me
3. Mexico/Latin America
4. Japan/Asia
5. Maybe one other person or so from another country

Again, I have seen these other places guys, I would like to hear from someone that has also seen all these other places as I have, tell me is my justification and reasoning wrong??????   The opinion and POV of someone who has traveled as much as I have in regards to SNK and has seen what I have seen I feel will hold more weight.

With all due respect, if many of you have not seen these different areas, how can you comment on the level of skill there is there?

I understand the optimism trust me I understand it for many reasons (PC/PR and not), but I'm actually getting to the nuts and bolts, the constructive criticism the soul searching that truly must be done to make sure this prediction doesn't happen.

I will be making a video addressing all this, but also guys remember as I have said, if you want people to take you seriously (The other parts of the USA), then you have to be able to defeat non-serious players (like Justin Wong)....

I feel that pretty much one of the only other people that I would feel is qualified to give their impressions of what they feel on this other than me would be Oscar, because he has traveled around the USA about as much as I have...before settling in SoCal right now (which again is another topic entirely guys, which I completely understand why!).

Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 04, 2011, 03:29:42 PM
Now with that said to further stir the pot and motivate you guys, I'm going to say out of all those places, the ones I feel based off my travels to have the best chance to break that ranking prediction with reasons given why:

1. North Carolina: Simple. The Triad. For years they ruled the Eastern parts of the USA. If they can get it back together like they used to, lead by P-Soul, they can crack the Top 15. Even without them getting it back together I say P-Soul alone stands a good chance of cracking the Top 15. They were also of the people that "could defeat Justin Wong in KOF" (Cajunstrike beat him in Final Round to win KOFXI a longgggg time ago).

2. NYC: If you guys can get Chris Hu and the others to play it seriously, then you all stand a very good chance of cracking the Top 15.

3. Minnesota:  Simple- You guys own the MidWest. =) If you all can somehow (yes I know easier said than done trust me) not only put your differences aside but all get on the same level as Sina, you too will stand a much greater chance of cracking the Top 15.

4. NorCal: Based off what I have seen from Tone at EVO 2009 and NDP 2009, I say he and his crew should lead the charge to take KOF13 even farther!!! Plus if you guys go play vs. SoCal more to learn stuff from them level up etc, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't crack Top 15!!! I've also seen you guys playing KOF13 on ranbats so that's good, that's a start you guys have potential. Just remember what I told you guys at ReveLAtions to which Mr. KOF agreed with me, in order to get to that level you have to play more people at that level.

In other words to get on SoCal's level you have to play more people on SoCal's level guys....while playing against yourselves is great, playing against SoCal is not going to hurt you....

Just like Mr. KOF playing vs. BALA in KOF13 more often won't hurt him either....

This is all constructive criticism!!!!!

The purpose again is to MOTIVATE, cause everyone to get fired up and look in the mirror..

"Everyone talks of change, but very few talk about the changes they need to make in order to make that change happen.."
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: davidkong07 on August 04, 2011, 09:03:06 PM
wow this thread got really crazy really fast... sounds like a lot of misunderstandings all around.

oh well, drama to some degree is good for fueling the competitive flames. i'm down to see some epic money matches when console tournaments start happening hahahha
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: THE ANSWER on August 04, 2011, 09:32:59 PM
What's up guys!? I'm back, I just submitted my EVO report so let's try to redirect the thread and focus on the positive things that happened.

I would also like to join you guys in thanking Giby for all his support and if you didn't bring that second setup this event would have been a mess or not as big as it was.

Congratulations to all the top placers:

BALA: thank you very much for making the effort to come to EVO I know you were in a very tight situation coming here but all that matters is that you made it. Your victory was very convincing and you sent a very strong message to all the KOF players out there.

Romance: Your hard work paid off and even thou you didn't win we are all proud of you.

Mr.KOF: As always THE guy to worry about in the tournament, believe me without you this tournaments would not be the same.

Reynald: As usual quite but in the top 4, good shit man I respect that.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: MetalThrashingMadman on August 05, 2011, 12:41:06 AM
Overall I really enjoyed my time at Evo and KOF XIII was certainly the highlight for me. But there was one issue that did bother me a bit. A met at least a few people, who were not previously KOF fans, that tried their hands at the console version only to be get frustrated because they didn't know what they were doing. I feel we need to find some kind of solution to this.

It's hard for a first time player to determine if they like a game when they are getting their ass tossed around by a pro. Then again, I would hate to ask any of you to go easy on people. Maybe next time some one can hang around and offer to show people how to play the game without completely crushing them.

I realize that is a lot to ask and it's questionable if it's even a good idea. But I hate the thought of people overlooking this game just because they had no idea what they were doing and didn't get a chance to figure it out.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: nilcam on August 05, 2011, 01:40:06 AM
At EVO, it's hard to test out unfamiliar games. Hopefully, they know about us and will join the community and get educated.

Dark Geese: It seems to me that you're blowing the whole stick issue out of proportion. The issue has been discussed on the homepage and the ON show at Orochinagi. It sounds to me like the best call possible was made and the players decided to overrule it and replay the set.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: kofsux on August 05, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
this is yoshi speaking on behalf of TEAM CHAOS :)
first of all we would like to thank all the kof 13 staff at evo 2011(oscar,yuhang,giby and im sorry if im forgetting someone).
sorry for addressing this topic once again(RJ-armando) but we only want to make sure that this doesn’t involve us...
armando is a friend of ours but he doesnt represent TEAM CHAOS. although we supported him in the tournament(after raymond"romance") we were fully supporting RJs' win. We think that armando should have been more reasonable and  that he should have accepted the lose. We also think that he should have said that the stick wasnt working at the very first round....and even if the stick stopped working at the last round, he should have still given the win to RJ.we know that RJ is a very humble guy and that makes him a unique kofer....trading sticks with armando was a very bad move from RJ but armando should have considered that RJ doesnt play on american sticks and yet still armando accepted the japanese stick.…After all armando said that he wasnt under any risk of losing.

DG you are an awesome guy man! But if you want to get involved in this, you honestly had to be there. Armando has his story and RJ has his....only the ones who were actually there can say what really happened. Think about this....if RJ didnt accepted the win, Armando should have still lost on purpose so that RJ would get his win…..and that is what we(TEAM CHOAS) call good sportsmanship....but we don’t underestimate armando's skill and level.

TEAM INFINITY(duc,yu hang,meta,oscar,RJ and everyone else) you guys have all the right to get mad over this situation. This was not just another tournament, it was evo 2011.TEAM CHOAS has mad respect for all you guys.reynald and john....you guys are the shit.....THANK YOU ALL.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Mr.KOF on August 05, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
this is yoshi speaking on behalf of TEAM CHAOS :)
first of all we would like to thank all the kof 13 staff at evo 2011(oscar,yuhang,giby and im sorry if im forgetting someone).
sorry for addressing this topic once again(RJ-armando) but we only want to make sure that this doesn’t involve us...
armando is a friend of ours but he doesnt represent TEAM CHAOS. although we supported him in the tournament(after raymond"romance") we were fully supporting RJs' win. We think that armando should have been more reasonable and  that he should have accepted the lose. We also think that he should have said that the stick wasnt working at the very first round....and even if the stick stopped working at the last round, he should have still given the win to RJ.we know that RJ is a very humble guy and that makes him a unique kofer....trading sticks with armando was a very bad move from RJ but armando should have considered that RJ doesnt play on american sticks and yet still armando accepted the japanese stick.…After all armando said that he wasnt under any risk of losing.

DG you are an awesome guy man! But if you want to get involved in this, you honestly had to be there. Armando has his story and RJ has his....only the ones who were actually there can say what really happened. Think about this....if RJ didnt accepted the win, Armando should have still lost on purpose so that RJ would get his win…..and that is what we(TEAM CHOAS) call good sportsmanship....but we don’t underestimate armando's skill and level.

TEAM INFINITY(duc,yu hang,meta,oscar,RJ and everyone else) you guys have all the right to get mad over this situation. This was not just another tournament, it was evo 2011.TEAM CHOAS has mad respect for all you guys.reynald and john....you guys are the shit.....THANK YOU ALL.

It's good that TEAM CHAOS has taken the time to talk about the incident with the BALA/RJ situation. We should just stop  this whole debate because it will only hurt BALA in the long run. Even though BALA feels I've turned my back on him, I will vouche that he's got skills in the game. Will he overcome this whole scandal? I don't know... but i do hope he keeps playing and overcomes this whole ordeal. TEAM CHAOS should let him know who his real friend is because he apparently doesn't understand me as a person at all.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: Dark Geese on August 05, 2011, 01:41:30 PM
Guys all I'm trying to say is let's all please somehow just put this behind us and move on. We are all better than this would you not agree?? =)


Okay guys I'm going to post this video, in an effort to stop:

-Derailing
-Rants
-"Or other things"

I am going to post this youtube video and hope that everyone that wishes to carry on discussion in regards to the topics on this video can please talk on that particular video.

This way we don't have to clutter the threads and we can help make Brother Moderator Desmond's job a lot easier  =)  :

Dark Geese's Expectations of the Community 2011: Comments Please! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpI5-zo0WKM#ws)



Again feel free to comment if you have some comments you want to say on this particular video that way this video can be the end (or the beginning on youtube?) of the discussion.


Thanks,

DG
Title: Re: KOF XIII Evo Discussion
Post by: OrochiZoolander on November 07, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
98UM is one of my favorite fighting games and coming from HF/ST/HDR I like the overall emphasis and style of KOF but because there is no KOF scene in U.S. let alone NY where we have a KOF13 cab I never really put any serious time into it. 13 Looks and plays amazing I definitely want to play it seriously and hope it becomes popular in the U.S. there's some hype for it for example floe says it's really fun, it's got HD graphics, and we're in the middle of a fighting game revival so this is KOF's best chance to have a scene.

MVC3 and AE are what everyone is playing right now and many if not most people who play them like myself only play them because it's what's popular they literally steal what little spotlight other games like KOF had and that's only going to continue with UMVC3, AE 2012, and SFXT. That being said a lot of SRK'ers are saying if 13 has decent online play they will actually play it.

Just curious how likely is it that it will be on the main lineup at EVO12? DG I hope you and everyone else keep pestering wiz for it I'd love to see it on the big screen next year. I really want this game to succeed and not fade away in the shadow of MVC3, AE, and SFXT I'll try to develop a scene for it in NY.