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King of Fighters XIII => Character Discussion => Ex Kyo => Topic started by: Rex Dart on November 21, 2011, 08:50:32 PM

Title: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS) (Pre-release theory fighter)
Post by: Rex Dart on November 21, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/eq5tzc.jpg)

Notation
;a = Light Punch
;b = Light Kick
;c = Strong Punch
;d = Strong Kick

* = EX version possible


Throws
Issetsu Seoi Nage - ;bk / ;fd + ;c/ ;d

Command Normals
Geshiki: Goufu You = ;fd + ;b

88 Shiki - ;df + ;d

Geshiki Naraku Otoshi - ;dn + ;c in air

Special Moves
100 Shiki Oniyaki - ;fd ;dn ;df + ;a / ;c *

R.E.D Kick - ;bk ;dn ;db + ;b / ;d *

212 Shiki: Kototsuki You - ;hcb + ;b / ;d *

75 Shiki: Kai - ;qcf + ;b,;b / ;d,;d *

104 Shiki: Aragami - ;qcf + ;a
┗ 128 Shiki: Ku Kizu - ;qcf + ;a / ;c
    ┗127 Shiki: Ya Sabi - ;qcf + ;a / ;c
    ┗125 Shiki: Nana Se - ;b or ;d

┗127 Shiki: Ya Sabi - ;hcb + ;a / ;c
    ┗ Geshiki: Migiri Ugachi - ;fd + ;a / ;c
    ┗ 127 Shiki: Nana Se - ;b or ;d

115 Shiki: Dokugami - ;qcf + ;c *
 ┗ 401 Shiki: Tsumiyomi - ;hcb + ;a / ;c
    ┗ 402 Shiki: Batsuyomi - ;fd + ;a / ;c
       ┗ 100 Shiki: Oniyaki - ;fd ;dn ;df + ;a / ;c

Desperation Moves
Reversed 108 Shiki: Orochinagi - ;qcb ;hcf + ;a / ;c *

Saishuu Kessen Ougi "Mu Shiki" - ;qcf ;qcf + ;a / ;c

Neomax
Saishuu Kessen Hi-ougi "Totsuka" - ;qcf ;qcf + ;b ;d

* = EX version possible
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Rex Dart on November 21, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
--==COMBOS==--
dB x 3, qcf + A, qcf + P, K
C, qcf+D,D, rdp + B
dB, C, qcf+C, hcb+C, f+C, dp+P
(corner) jD, C, qcf + D,D, qcf+A (delay) qcf+A, hcb+P, P
jD, C, qcfx2 + P
dB x 2, B, qcf+A (DC) qcf+D,D, qcf+A, qcf+P, K
j.d+C, C, f+B, qcf+AC, qcf+A, hcb+P, P (DC) qcf+D,D, qcb,hcf+P

-=HD=-
f+B (HD) C, f+B, qcf+C (HDC) qcf+A (HDC) [qcf+C, hcb+P (HDC) qcf+A (HDC) ]x2 qcf+C, hcb+P, qcfx2 + P
j.d+C, C, df+D (HD) C, dp+C (HDC) qcf+A, qcf+P (HDC) dp+A (HDC) qcf+A, qcf+P (HDC) [dp+C (HDC) qcf+A, qcf+ P]x3, hcb+BD
j.d+C, C, f+B, (HD) C, dp+C (HDC) qcf+C, hcb+P (HDC) qcf+AC, qcf+A, hcb+P, P (HDC) dp+A (HDC) qcb,hcf+P, dp+C (HDC) qcb,hcf+P (MAX) qcfx2+BD

--==TRIALS==--
King of Fighters XIII: Kyo (DLC) Trials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFKi8Q5nUY#ws)


--==STRATEGIES==--
1. Punch people with fire
2. ???
3. ORE NO KACHI DA!
(WIP)


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For a character who hasn't been announced yet, we sure do have a ton of info on him. I'll work on transcribing his trials to written form. Again, thanks to Ky0 for the movelist and to Mazinkaiser for sharing the video. 
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 21, 2011, 10:31:24 PM
Mu Shiki looks pretty cool with the flames on his body definitely one of my favorite looking supers.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: BiGGDaddyCane on November 21, 2011, 10:47:22 PM
Hahaaaa Yeeeeesss Old Kyo
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: SolidSonicTH on November 21, 2011, 11:37:21 PM
Yeah, I'm in here.

THIS is the Kyo I want to use. I feel so much more at home with this style than I do '95 Kyo.

I hope he's legal for serious play.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: DeadlyRave-Neo on November 22, 2011, 12:13:50 AM
when do he come out
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on November 22, 2011, 12:30:04 AM
Unknown as of now.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Ryudo on November 22, 2011, 06:12:16 PM
YES! I cant wait to use this Kyo. REKKAS FTW! Hopefully he will be released not too far from Iori i have a grudge match to settle with one of my friends.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Aenthin on November 22, 2011, 06:20:24 PM
Some things I've been meaning to ask:



These are the questions I could remember for now.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: DR.Howard on November 22, 2011, 07:50:48 PM
99 was my 1st KOF, i feel right at home with this kyo!
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 22, 2011, 10:00:16 PM
Some things I've been meaning to ask:

  • Does R.E.D. Kick hit crouching opponents now (and is it really an overhead)? It used to miss crouching opponents back in the day.
R.E.D. kick is an overhead[/list]
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Aenthin on November 23, 2011, 08:18:52 AM
Just double checking. Some previous KoF guides list R.E.D. Kick as an overhead but doesnt hit crouching opponents which defeats its purpose.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: SolidSonicTH on November 23, 2011, 07:50:53 PM
When you say "does not hit", do you mean it's blockable while crouching or actually cannot reach them (due to the hitbox expiring too soon)?
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 23, 2011, 08:55:08 PM
When you say "does not hit", do you mean it's blockable while crouching or actually cannot reach them (due to the hitbox expiring too soon)?

he means it doesn't hit because of the kicks hit box
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: derpsunagi79 on November 23, 2011, 11:21:31 PM
why on earth is he allowed to get rekkas of light attacks now.

i dunno if it wasnt for the fact the chracter comes with the stage i dont think id bother, bit gutted hes just 98 kyo
Can he still do a standing hp in the corner after his kick on the last hit of his qcf a foward a foward b

Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 24, 2011, 12:15:10 AM
why on earth is he allowed to get rekkas of light attacks now.

i dunno if it wasnt for the fact the chracter comes with the stage i dont think id bother, bit gutted hes just 98 kyo
Can he still do a standing hp in the corner after his kick on the last hit of his qcf a foward a foward b



i don't understand how being able to hit rekkas off of a light attack is bad.

he can't cancel off of  ;df ;d anymore so he needs some way to hit confirm them.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: TYRANNICAL on November 24, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
why on earth is he allowed to get rekkas of light attacks now.

i dunno if it wasnt for the fact the chracter comes with the stage i dont think id bother, bit gutted hes just 98 kyo
Can he still do a standing hp in the corner after his kick on the last hit of his qcf a foward a foward b


Have you played XIII? Pretty much the entire cast has some way to hitconfirm lights into a special attack.  If Kyo cannot special cancel his df+D, then he'll have crap but lights into DP for low hit combos.  Which is why I'm happy he can combo into rekkas from lights.  XIII Kyo can do the same thing into HCB+K.  Iori can do the same and his crB has better range than Kyo's.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: BioBooster on November 24, 2011, 04:21:21 AM
When you say "does not hit", do you mean it's blockable while crouching or actually cannot reach them (due to the hitbox expiring too soon)?

he means it doesn't hit because of the kicks hit box

I remember from previous KOFs that R.E.D. kick didn't always hit crouching opponents, but one of the versions did (think it was strong). I'm surprised to hear that it's an overhead now - is this true?? That's crazy strong if that's the case.

Rekkas off of lights is OK. They did make it easier this time around I see (wonder if he can still cancel off of the first hit of df.D). I used to use c.B link into s.C to combo rekkas off of lights - guess he doesn't need it anymore, but I'll be interested to see if this is still possible.

Daaahaaamn!! Kyo is back and from my perspective, his moveset is perfect.
In my opinion, rekka Kyo is the real deal and fb Kyo the EX (as has been the case for a long while till XII)

Cannot wait to use!!!
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 24, 2011, 04:28:56 AM
When you say "does not hit", do you mean it's blockable while crouching or actually cannot reach them (due to the hitbox expiring too soon)?

he means it doesn't hit because of the kicks hit box

I remember from previous KOFs that R.E.D. kick didn't always hit crouching opponents, but one of the versions did (think it was strong). I'm surprised to hear that it's an overhead now - is this true?? That's crazy strong if that's the case.

Rekkas off of lights is OK. They did make it easier this time around I see (wonder if he can still cancel off of the first hit of df.D). I used to use c.B link into s.C to combo rekkas off of lights - guess he doesn't need it anymore, but I'll be interested to see if this is still possible.

Daaahaaamn!! Kyo is back and from my perspective, his moveset is perfect.
In my opinion, rekka Kyo is the real deal and fb Kyo the EX (as has been the case for a long while till XII)

Cannot wait to use!!!

if you look on the vid of NESTS Kyo's neomax there is a list of differences between the two.

it is said it is an overhead in the changes.
 ;df ;d does not work as i mentioned in an earlier post unless you are in HD mode
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: BioBooster on November 24, 2011, 05:38:51 AM
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Either way, I'm almost guaranteed to have a good time with the chr.

And EX Kyo is almost guaranteed a spot in my main team XD
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: SolidSonicTH on November 24, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
why on earth is he allowed to get rekkas of light attacks now.

i dunno if it wasnt for the fact the chracter comes with the stage i dont think id bother, bit gutted hes just 98 kyo
Can he still do a standing hp in the corner after his kick on the last hit of his qcf a foward a foward b



This doesn't seem that unusual to me. A common starter in past KoFs is  ;dn ;b-> ;dn ;a->Aragami.

The rules are a bit different with the new engine and all but it's not like its setting a precedent either. Besides, it needs a leadin anyway. The move isn't a great standalone attack, it's best when comboed into and light attacks are always consistent starters for any real combo.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Aenthin on November 25, 2011, 05:33:10 AM
Oh here's another question I wanted to ask: Does Aragami and Dokugami have autoguard? Aragami in particular was nasty in some versions.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on November 25, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Oh here's another question I wanted to ask: Does Aragami and Dokugami have autoguard? Aragami in particular was nasty in some versions.

i don't think anyone knows unless they went to an event, it didn't say in the differences between him and kyo and i don't think many have played as NESTS kyo.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: klyz806 on December 03, 2011, 06:51:43 AM
they got rid of his 2002 UM versions iron trigger (  ;fd ;df ;dn ;db ;bk  ;b or  ;d) i used to use the  ;b version alot in my juggles   :( 
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on December 03, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
yeah the loss of hikigane sucks... but they probably chose the running grab over it for a reason.

btw welcome to DC
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: klyz806 on December 03, 2011, 07:16:01 PM


btw welcome to DC

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: powerfercs on December 04, 2011, 04:42:24 PM
Isn't this Kyo's ;df ;d not cancellable unlike ShotoKyo?? Making him a bit hassle to combo without HD??
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: BioBooster on December 04, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
No worries, he can combo rekkas off of weaks.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: powerfercs on December 05, 2011, 01:45:07 PM
Then about his EX hcb+K not being a command throw. I plan on maining him alternately with 95 Kyo so I'm quite worried that his EX hcb+k doesn't have that oomph as Vanilla Kyo.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: Violent Kain on December 06, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
is any release date confirmed?

I cant wait to play with him!!!!
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
Post by: darkTown2 on December 06, 2011, 09:55:01 PM
is any release date confirmed?

I cant wait to play with him!!!!

there is no release date yet we aren't even supposed to have footage of him yet.
Title: Re: Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS) (Pre-release theory fighter)
Post by: Sharnt on December 08, 2011, 10:37:25 AM
From a French newser it's the release is the 12/20/2011 (20 december)