Dream Cancel Forum
King of Fighters XIII => Character Discussion => Andy Bogard => Topic started by: steamwolf on February 07, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
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Combo thread. The goal is to illustrate the most useful combos from the less useful. I'll mostly leave this up to feedback from you guys, as I'm just one guy with rather basic knowledge. I'll post any findings I discover here though and my thoughts. Discuss, see what you guys thinks. Post the most useful combos in red, and the lesser useful ones in black. I'll share what we have thus far on our wiki.
f + A Combos
1.) d.B x 1~2 -> f + A = 107 dmg
2.) j D, s. C -> f + A = 194 dmg
3.) d.b, d.a -> f + A = 102 dmg
NOTE: first damage number is from the first combo start, 2nd damage number is from second.
0 Stock, No Drive Gauge
s.C, f.A, db~f+P = 161/179 dmg
d.B, s.B, s.D, dp+P = 163/179 dmg
d.Bx2, f.A, hcf+K~BD, dp+C = 231 dmg
-> hcf+K~BD, db~f+A = 180/242 dmg
-> hcf+K~BD, hcf+D = 228/290 dmg
-> hcf+K~BD, dp+A = 193/255 dmg
-> hcf+K~BD, db~f+A, db~f+A, dp+A = 278/349 dmg
1 Stock, No Drive Gauge
s.C, f.A, qcb+AC = 215 dmg
d.B, s.B, s.D, qcf~hcb+P = 313 dmg
-> hcf+K~BD, qcf,hcb+P 312/417 dmg
-> hcf+BD, d.D 307/369 dmg
-> hcf+BD (dash), dp+C 294/356
0 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge
s.C, f.A, db~f+C (DC) hcf+D = 298 dmg
1 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge -
-> db~f+A (DC), dp+AC = 252/343 dmg
-> db~f+A (DC), qcf~hcb+P = 311/400 dmg
-> db~f+A (DC), hcf+BD, d.D = 295/357 dmg
-> db~f+A (DC), hcf+BD, db~f+A, dp+C = 355/417 dmg (corner only)
2 Stock, No Drive Gauge -
-> hcf+BD -> qcf~hcb+P = 357/446 dmg
3 Stock, 2 Drive Gauge -
-> hcf+K, BD -> qcb~hcf+AC = 492/555 dmg
(more coming soon)
B/D Combos
the B/D combo is: (d.b) s.b, far D.
The far D will automatically chain from the s.b. The d.b is an optional if you would like to start the combo from a low attack. You can also connect a j.C or j. D before the d.b if you are jumping in.
0 Level, No Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcb + A/C = 181 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, dp + A/C = 163/179 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A/C = 181/198 dmg
- (ONLY d.b), s.b, far D, hcf + B = 213 dmg
- s.b, far D, hcf + B/D = 190/216 dmg
- s.b, far D, hcf + B/D, B+D, dp+A/C = 166/182 dmg
0 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A/C (DC), dp + A/C = 242/297 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A/C (DC), hcf + D = 297 dmg
1 Level, No Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcf + A+C = 232 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, dp + A+C = 243 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A+C = 256 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A+C, dp + C = 356 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, hcf + B+D = 286 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, hcf + B+D, dp + P = 327/352 dmg (corner only)
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcf~hcb + P = 313 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcb~hcf + K = 374 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcb~hcf + K, dp + P = 321/339 dmg (corner only)
1 Level, 1+ Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + P (DC), dp + A+C = 294 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A+C (DC), dp + P = 288/256 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + P (DC), qcf~hcb + P = 346/378 dmg
2 Level, No Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A+C, dp + A+C = 380 dmg (corner only)
- d.b, s.b, far D, hcf + B+D, dp + A+C = 353 dmg (corner only)
- d.b, s.b, far D, hcf + B+D, db~f + A+C, dp + C = 422 dmg (corner only)
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcb~hcf + B+D = 382 dmg
- d.b, s.b, far D, qcb + A+C, dp + A+C = 355 dmg (corner only)
3 Level, No Drive Guage
- d.b, s.b, far D, hcf + B+D, db~f + A+C, dp + A+C = 436 dmg (corner only)
2 Level, 1+ Drive Gauge
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + A+C (SC), qcb~hcf+K = 393 dmg (corner only)
- d.b, s.b, far D, db~f + C (DC), hcf + B+D, dp + A+C = 378 dmg (corner only)
Guard break Combos
[corner]j.CD -> st.C -> f+A -> (HD) st.C -> f+A -> db~f+A -> (HDC) hcf+BD (guard crush)
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i seem to be having a little bit of trouble with one of andy's meterless combos.
cr.b, cr. b, f.a, hcf.b, bd
whenever i land the f.a the hcf.b misses/ doesn't keep the combo going. am i doing something wrong?
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both of the cr.B have to be done extremely quickly and then cancelled into f+A. Honestly I would just do cr.B, cr.A, f+A or cr.B, s.A, f+A to make it more reliable. Both cr.A and s.A have more cancellable frames, so it's a bit easier.
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both of the cr.B have to be done extremely quickly and then cancelled into f+A. Honestly I would just do cr.B, cr.A, f+A or cr.B, s.A, f+A to make it more reliable. Both cr.A and s.A have more cancellable frames, so it's a bit easier.
thanks man! you're right it did help, i'm much more consistent with the combo now.
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I hope this is the right place to post this.
Not sure if anyone else uses these already, but I was playing around with Andy in practice and found a couple of nice B/D corner specific combos that aren't listed here.
1 Level, 1 Drive Gauge -
d.b, s.b, far D, db~f+C (DC) db~f+AC, dp+C = 410 dmg
2 Level, 1 Drive Gauge -
d.b, s.b, far D, db~f+C (DC) db~f+AC, qcf~hcb+P = 484 dmg
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good stuff, it might be worth checking out the 50% Character Thread in XIII general to see if your combo is posted there.
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Various stuff I've come up with to improve on the lists above.
There are two optimal corner combos, which you adjust between based on whether or not you use a cr.lk
cr.lk cr.lk f.lp hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp db~f.lp dp.lp (278)
st.lk->st.hk or st.hp hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp db~f.lp dp.lp (289/268)
From this point on I just split it into starter -> combo.
Starters:
(cr.lk) cr.lk f.lp (low/worst damage, but hits low)
st.lk->st.hk (best damage, but not low hitting)
st.hp (low/worst damage, but fast)
0 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp db~f.lp (DC) dp.hp (300/303/324)
Not really worth the drive unless you're sure that 35 damage will kill.
1 Bar/0 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp dp.hp (376/379/400)
1 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp dp.hp (428/431/452)
2 Bar/0 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp dp.hp (448/451/472)
2 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp dp.hp (495/498/519)
3 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp qcfhcb.hp (561/564/585)
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) (wait a little) db~f.lp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp dp.hp (576/579/600)
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@Benny1: I made some adjustments to your drive cancel combos to squeeze a lil more damage out :D.
0 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.lp db~f.lp (DC) dp.hp (300/303/324)
Not really worth the drive unless you're sure that 35 damage will kill.
Starter -> hcf.B > BC, db-f.A, dp.C xDCx db-f.A (will whiff), db-f.A, dp.C (347/350/371)
1 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp dp.hp (428/431/452)
Starter -> hcf.B > BC, db-f.A, dp.C xDCx db-f.A (will whiff), db-f.AC, db-f.A, dp.C (449/452/473)
2 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp dp.hp (495/498/519)
Starter -> hcf.B > BC, db-f.AC, db-f.AC, dp.C xDCx db-f.A (whiff), db-f.A, dp.C (529/532/553)
3 Bar/1 Drive
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) db~f.hp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp qcfhcb.hp (561/564/585)
starter -> hcf.lk (lk+hk) (wait a little) db~f.lp (DC) db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp db~f.lp+hp dp.hp (576/579/600)
Starter -> hcf.B > BC, db-f.AC, db-f.AC, dp.C xDCx db-f.AC, db-f.A, dp.C (625/628/649)
Imo in regards to starting st.C (HP) (which I assume is the close one, since far C into hcf.B whiffs), you can cancel it into f.A which brings it's damage close to the st.B xx st.D starter and is a common intro into HD.