when dealing with close-mindedness from casuals, if you want better discussion, you have to formulate better methods of communication. if someone says that K' or raiden are broken, have you ever asked them why they felt that?
Yup and I don't want to go down that road again, it always devolves into "Well they're still over-powered." or "They still need to nerf *insert character*."
most people who make flippant remarks can't answer that honestly without having played the game themselves and it forces them to think about their statements and the gameplay itself.
If they were thinking about their statements they wouldn't be throwing out baseless opinions left and right.
if you relegate yourself to explaining things to them over and over they wont bother to make the effort to figure things out themselves or even find incentive to play.
Well it's not like I go out of my well to yell in someone's ear that they're doing it wrong, it's just that I find it annoying that people always have to find some nit-picky crap to complain about.
on the other hand, if they can't hold intelligent discussion after that, then you're just getting trolled anyway.
I suppose.
speaking of fans/devs reaching out, i really meant bridging a connection between the two (sorry i worded that incorrectly previously). the devs are marketing very poorly. it started out well with the dev tourney, reveal videos, and character vids. where did that all go? it's like "oh we finished making the game and here's the arcade version.
Yeah as messed as it sounds SNKP target audience was the arcade, so I guess they got what they wanted.
if you're planning to sell a console version, hype it up, market it. on the flip side, the fans need to speak to the company directly. of course, SNKP is in a financial bind, and their hands are tied as far as what they can or can't do at this point, but that shouldn't discourage people from giving input. game companies like capcom (i know we're all sick of hearing it, but they're a good example for this...) and atlus have been known in recent years to take fan input in high regard when making decisions. not saying it's guaranteed, but you don't have anything to lose really. all the complaints now are scattered throughout various boards/blogs (which is precisely what i'm doing now to be honest :/ ) where they don't really matter. i don't really remember where i was going with this... i just started typing a bunch of nonsense.
SNKP is still leaving us in the dark though.
lastly, i remember reading somewhere that there weren't that many boards made for XIII to begin with, so i don't think selling out is an indication of much. also, you kind of reinforced my statement by saying that they probably haven't even covered production costs yet. if they haven't even broken even (by covering production/manufacturing costs), then they haven't made any profit, no?
I think it's a little bit of both though, true that they most likely didn't break even yet but let me go back to your point about SNKP being in a financial bind, can we honestly say (at the moment with XIII doing substantially well in the arcades) that they're soo broke that they can't give XIII or even they're 360 xbla ports an up to par (for this day and age) netcode and even market them outside of Japan? are they seriously that much in the red? besides I don't recall hearing SNKP would be done if XIII didn't make them a pretty penny, all I heard was that KOF would be dead and buried.
despite my overall bleak outlook on the future of KOF, i really do hope it does well. unfortunately, like most of us here (presumably), life doesn't give me a break to be as proactive as i want to be. that and KOF in general doesn't have star power in its fanbase nor its production for any kind of advocacy to make strides out of the blue. so like others have stated, don't hold your breath on waiting for someone to make waves for KOF XIII.
The outlook wouldn't look so bleak if we had some people pulling some headway around here, I'm quite sick of people saying "Nobody cares about KOF in America" but sadly this fanbase has proven that statement to be true all too true... we just don't want to move forward, we're always regressing, always arguing amongst ourselves, never wanting to do any work, too busy, too lazy, people always mad discouraged complaining over fickle crap like "Man people just don't want to play KOF with me ;_;" than just being happy with what they have, always waiting for SNKP to make a move before they do, people drawing lines in the sand and stuff, we go around constantly comparing KOF to other games juxtaposed like it's in some kind of competition, and then there's all the lame drama that comes with it, man can yall ever just shut up and move forward, can we forget the negative stigma SNKP developed for KOF and just move along? I know a lot of people are busy and may be discouraged but honestly I think a lot of them are just blowing smoke out their ass at this point in time. Stop making excuses because nobody wants to hear them, keep your complaints to yourself because nobody cares, if you're busy just do what you can, if you play XIII share all the information you have, stop leaving everyone else in the dark because we can't wait for SNKP to fix that, enough receding and more progressing.
sorry i didn't address all of your points, krazy. it's not like i have all the answers anyway; just wanted to voice my personal concerns.
I'm not done talking but I'll save the rest for another time.