The King of Fighters XIII General Discussion Thread

[TYRANNICAL]

How long before KOF low tier tournaments? Anyone?

[Rex Dart]

I'm surprised Elizabeth isn't in K'/Raiden tier. Although I guess I haven't been seeing her in videos as much as I used to.

I personally have trouble seeing the tiers in XIII as segmented as that ratio list makes them seem. Most of the ratios 2/1/0s are way too close in ability to call.

Any chance we're going to see one of those grid-style tier lists for XIII? Which shows each character's advantage/disadvantage against every other character? With a roster this size, it seems pretty tough to do. It would be interesting, though.

[Shiranui_ninja]

Any chance we're going to see one of those grid-style tier lists for XIII? Which shows each character's advantage/disadvantage against every other character? With a roster this size, it seems pretty tough to do. It would be interesting, though.

I'm pretty interested on it too. Hope this kind of tier list appears someday.

0 ratio sounds pretty absurde. I think 1 should be the minimum ratio if someone wants to play in this mode.

[Diavle]

0 ratio sounds pretty absurde. I think 1 should be the minimum ratio if someone wants to play in this mode.

Must be for the ppl who pick both Raiden and K'.

[solidshark]

Though I haven't played it, after seeing those technical demos recently, it's hard to think of any solid tier listing, or at least one with a wide margin. Sure the shoto style will be the easiet usually, but all the abilities everyone has means everyone can be a powerhouse, more than most 2D fighters I've seen; I'm not even counting improving players and tactics.

[MUSOLINI]

Alloted Maximum Ratio = 5

Ratio / Character
5 K', Raiden
4 Kyo, Elisabeth, Takuma
3 Andy, Iori, Shen, Kula
2 Robert, Chin, Yuri, Maxima, Leona, Ash, Benimaru, Kim
1 Duolon, Goro, Terry, Clark, Hwa, King
0 Joe, Kensou, Athena, Ralf, Ryo, Mai, Mature, Vice

takuma and iori need to switch places from what ive seen in vids. same for kula, shes more like a 4 than a 3. rest seems pretty much fair.

[Shiranui_ninja]

Mature is not low.

[Homies Over Shotos]

Mature is not low.

Don't worry.  She'll mature into those higher tiers.

[MUSOLINI]

the only characters that need some balancing done to them are, lizzy with those dp juggles (dont mind them, i do mind the damage). k (fuck him). raiden (really, REALLY fuck him, but fuck lizzy more cause she just plain out sucks and needs to gtfo of kof). sorry on the lizzy bias, cant stand the hoe.

besides lizzy, raiden and k, i think kula might need some tweaking as well. that qcb+k move, for the rest shes fine. with only balancing these characters the whole becomes really well playable and pretty damn balanced imo.

what do the regulars think, since you guys are the ones playing the game.

[t3h mAsTarOth...!]

Kula is FINE... she's nowhere as  deadly as she was in XI... she doesn't need re-balancing... K' imo doesn't need re-balancing besides making some of his stuff unsafe... Liz only needs damage scale tweaks and her dp.C needs to be made unsafe... that's it... Raiden needs to be ONLY able to "charge" 1 drop kick at a time and also make it unsafe... even if both kick buttons are held...

that's all we need... oh wait... give Clark back dp.K... now, that's all... :D

[l2slythe]

I like this ratio. Although Takuma is ranked a bit high IMO. He should go down to 3.

[Zabel]

Raiden needs to be ONLY able to "charge" 1 drop kick at a time and also make it unsafe... even if both kick buttons are held...

It's not the dropkicks alone that's the problem, it's the EX shoulder tackle juggles that makes them ridiculous.

[TYRANNICAL]

Regulars are gonna ask: WTF does liking a character have anything to do with how good they should be?  

I don't see the point of these ratio systems.  Some of these players have been tier whoring for ages.  You can't even look up a KOF game that doesn't have obvious tier whoring.  They abuse infinites and glitches whenever they can in the name of victory.  What makes it even more pointless is that you already have players that can win without top tiers and have done it before.  A Mai player made #2 at SBO.  So what's the point of these ratio systems?  

They need a ratio system to force them to play different characters?  They're that scared of defeat?  That can't be it.  If you feel you cannot win without top tiers then play the damn top tiers.  If you feel you can, then do it.  Why do you need a ratio system to promote what others players have been doing the entire time?  is 2002 UM going to get a ratio system too?  I see K', Nameless, Kasumi running rampant in that game.

Better yet why do I even give a shit?  I suck at KOF period and will play whoever I like.  Their decisions have no real impact on me.  Nerf K' or whoever.  I played K' when he's weaker than that.

[THE ANSWER]

As I post this message the AI cab is being updated to v1.1

[Cibernetico]

Cool. And here I was thinking you'd have to wait a few more weeks for the HDD to arrive. Kinda shows how much SNK at least was giving a damn that they got the NA cabs the patch asap. Wonder if the other NA arcades got it as fast as you guys.