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King of Fighters XIII => General Discussion => Topic started by: fiol on September 26, 2010, 10:25:35 AM
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this morning i translated a brief interview between Dune and Kofunion (the original link is http://bbs.kofunion.net/read.php?tid=163899 (all in chinese)) about KOFXIII.
At first the dudes talked about tougeki's matches, and Dune told the guy that he prefered the 2k2um ones. Then they talked about the tougeki's winners & co.
Now about KOFXIII:
as soon as the Tougeki ended KOFXIII started to die:
-lag issue. the feeling ,for lots of 13 players, was like 98um's. The lag issue is also due to the monitor on the arcade machines
-jumps/defense problems, for ex. K's D jump is not that accurate so the guard can be fucked up pretty easily. Moreover, cause of the lag the defense is not that accurate as in the previous kofs
-raiden should be tuned down a little bit, but the most awful thing is the infinites and the ex glitches
-then he argued that SNKPLAYMORE doesnt give a shit about the game anymore, thats another reason why the game is falling apart.Furthermore SNK is going back to mobilephones,psp and slotmachine games..so...
-dune's opinion about kof13 is that is going to be the last KOF... then he said that it's just his point of view but it's really difficut not to be pessimistic
At the end he said that he still likes the game but then he's just one guy, most of the players just went back to 2k2um/98um...
edit: sorry for any grammar mistakes but it's quite early and i'm really tired xD
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it's quite sad to read actually. with the showing that was KOFXII, and knowing how poorly it was accepted, you'd have thought that SNK would have fully backed KOFXIII to continue their most popular franchise. it seemed like initially the hardcore fanbase loved it (and people are still enjoying the "newness" of it). as fun as it is to watch and play, unless SNK does work on it, the balancing could really take a toll on the longevity of KOFXIII, which is rather unfortunate. here's hoping that SNK sticks to their guns and keeps KOF alive.
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what AI guys think about that?_?
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what AI guys think about that?_?
My opinion is, they of course need to patch it up and fix balance issues. Whether this will be the last KOF is too hard to tell, there are too many conflicting arguments (sold out world-wide vs bugs) to tell this early. As far as lag, the first 2 weeks we experienced a slight loading lag when it was saying round 1, but then it disappeared for till last week I saw it again last week. It never lagged in game where it matters the most.
Overall, I think we love XIII too much to really care what the rest of the world thinks. Even the hardcore former 2k2'ers--Huntington Park aka Cali-Mexicans aka Team Chaos, all say they love XIII more when I ask them (it's funny coz between waiting for their turns they'll go play 2k2um, win the majority of the time, then come back and play XIII. I'll ask them which one they like better and they all smile and say XIII). I think that's why there's a general lack of interest in any of DG's tourneys (with all due respect) coz everyone is focused on XIII.
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what AI guys think about that?_?
My opinion is, they of course need to patch it up and fix balance issues. Whether this will be the last KOF is too hard to tell, there are too many conflicting arguments (sold out world-wide vs bugs) to tell this early. As far as lag, the first 2 weeks we experienced a slight loading lag when it was saying round 1, but then it disappeared for till last week I saw it again last week. It never lagged in game where it matters the most.
Overall, I think we love XIII too much to really care what the rest of the world thinks. Even the hardcore former 2k2'ers--Huntington Park aka Cali-Mexicans aka Team Chaos, all say they love XIII more when I ask them (it's funny coz between waiting for their turns they'll go play 2k2um, win the majority of the time, then come back and play XIII. I'll ask them which one they like better and they all smile and say XIII). I think that's why there's a general lack of interest in any of DG's tourneys (with all due respect) coz everyone is focused on XIII.
thats good to hear from u guys!! at least 13 seems to get some love in the US
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it would be hysterical if this were the first kof where it got more popular outside of asia than therein...
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I can see where he's coming from b/c Japan seems to be all about whoring those tiers/glitches/infinites. Their match vids are abundant with these and I'm sure their arcades are even more so.
AI vids on the other hand seem to have a bigger focus on picking characters they like and rolling with them which makes the game more fun for them to play and for us to watch.
Hope the guy isn't right about the SNK abandoning the game, it will definitely have legs in the arcade worldwide if they patch it.
I wonder if someone can confirm the game being ignored at the arcades there.
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fuck man, snkp better fix this shit up or sell the property to arks or namco or whatever. motherfuckers, damn.
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If the scene is dying as stated, it's all the more reason for SNKP to get the game patched and ported to home console. There are lots of fans interested in the game who have not been able to play it yet. Get that shit released so that the game is given a proper chance.
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*never mind me moaning, but I still stand by my point*
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*delete*
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so you dont trust who is basically the head of the kof community in japan because of
1. the characters he uses (that YOU see)
im sure he knows a hell of a lot more about snk than you, considering he actually yknow, IS JAPANESE AND LIVES IN JAPAN lol
you also have no idea what its like to be in a competitive environment at a level where you are forced to pick top tiers or lose. or maybe you are and just dont realize it...how high do you place in big tournaments for any game?
and the stuff about liking the characters is just lol....haha. well anyway thanks for your post it was really funny
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Some clarification from the Professor from MMcafé.
An interview between Dune and KOFUnion is being reposted all over the place. I kind of wonder how much of his original wordings have been lost in double translation, but just to clarify a few points,
1.It's well known, but there are lags in the current arcade setups due to the TypeX family interface and LCD latency in Viewlix cabinets. The upcoming hardware update in December is supposed to improve things, but as of up until now, it's present in all games.
It's usually not that big of an issue since the games are developed with the latency in mind. KOF98UM however, wasn't a game created for the system, so people were complaining from Day 1 that there was some lag. On the other hand, KOFXIII was developed with the latency in mind, but because of that, the game feels a bit different compared to previous KOFs. Nevertheless, the game's jump system remains the same as previous KOFs, which is where the problem arises. Many players are saying that the latency makes it hard to guard K's jumps in a nick of time, and that it also makes it hard to defend by hitting jump-ins with pokes compared to previous KOFs. (IMO, it's something that can be easily fixed.)
2. SNKP very obviously put a lot of effort into KOFXIII, but they're a small company with limited resources and limited connections. With the president switching seats, it's too early to tell what roadmap the company will be taking in the future.
3. Dune and his comrades are seasoned KOF players, so it's natural that they'd go back to play their old favorite games now that Tougeki is over. The real issue however, is that KOFXIII thus far has not achieved new young audiences. In comparison, Arksys has been working with an effective marketing strategy for the Blazblue franchise, spending money on top voice actors and running promotion campaigns through nicovideo.
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Some clarification from the Professor from MMcafé.
An interview between Dune and KOFUnion is being reposted all over the place. I kind of wonder how much of his original wordings have been lost in double translation, but just to clarify a few points,
1.It's well known, but there are lags in the current arcade setups due to the TypeX family interface and LCD latency in Viewlix cabinets. The upcoming hardware update in December is supposed to improve things, but as of up until now, it's present in all games.
It's usually not that big of an issue since the games are developed with the latency in mind. KOF98UM however, wasn't a game created for the system, so people were complaining from Day 1 that there was some lag. On the other hand, KOFXIII was developed with the latency in mind, but because of that, the game feels a bit different compared to previous KOFs. Nevertheless, the game's jump system remains the same as previous KOFs, which is where the problem arises. Many players are saying that the latency makes it hard to guard K's jumps in a nick of time, and that it also makes it hard to defend by hitting jump-ins with pokes compared to previous KOFs. (IMO, it's something that can be easily fixed.)
2. SNKP very obviously put a lot of effort into KOFXIII, but they're a small company with limited resources and limited connections. With the president switching seats, it's too early to tell what roadmap the company will be taking in the future.
3. Dune and his comrades are seasoned KOF players, so it's natural that they'd go back to play their old favorite games now that Tougeki is over. The real issue however, is that KOFXIII thus far has not achieved new young audiences. In comparison, Arksys has been working with an effective marketing strategy for the Blazblue franchise, spending money on top voice actors and running promotion campaigns through nicovideo.
well more or less it's what i wrote (i just sum up)
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They sound like nitpicky whiners if you ask me... KoFXIII is PERFECT other than a few obvious things that will be patched.
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Yes, it's sad to read that. I hope SNKP makes good advertisiments and fixes all the bugs.
Sadly i doubt they will make a good job at promoting the game :(
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*never mind me moaning, but I still stand by my point*
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You shouldn't have deleted your points, this is a discussion board (as long as we don't get wildly off topic or personal insults, this is what it's for).
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so you dont trust who is basically the head of the kof community in japan because of
1. the characters he uses (that YOU see)
im sure he knows a hell of a lot more about snk than you, considering he actually yknow, IS JAPANESE AND LIVES IN JAPAN lol
you also have no idea what its like to be in a competitive environment at a level where you are forced to pick top tiers or lose. or maybe you are and just dont realize it...how high do you place in big tournaments for any game?
and the stuff about liking the characters is just lol....haha. well anyway thanks for your post it was really funny
How about you actually explain why you agree with him instead of mocking me? Because it seems to be you didn't understand what I said nor even try to see my point, when you very well may understand, and if so I'd like to hear and be shown what's what.
All you've done is simplify my post, removed the context, explanations etc, in an attempt to make it seem like what I've said is silly; and made it look like you'd follow Dune unconditionally due to 'who he is'. Do you really agree with him anyway? If so, why?
Now:
1) Who said I don't trust him? I said I don't agree with him in this case, and that who he is has little bearing on the CONTEXT of what he is currently talking about. If he was talking about gameplay tactics/strategies, Japanese players and their skill levels etc, then he has a bearing.
However, he is moaning about things he contributes to...
2) You say he's the head of the Japanese scene...then why is it that he's only promoting the same characters everyone else picks? He says it's difficult not to be pessimistic when he has been one of the contributing factors to the bad taste left in everyone's mouths. He puts up video's...of the same darn characters over and over again...do you know how many people are being bored to death? And how many KoF newbies think the game is dead boring? Or how many people think the game has major balance issues?
All the while I tell these guys not to worry, because it's just that all they get to see are the same few characters so it feels that way. And I don't care who Dune uses off screen, because what matters to the promotion of a dying franchise is what is shown on screen...and he's pumping out video's of the same darn thing. I mean, SBO finals sure were great right? But it doesn't matter because it wasn't offscreen I guess =/
Dude complains about Raiden and uses Raiden...and the arguement about 'promoting' Raiden so SNK can realize is moot because everyone uses Raiden and SNK already know lol.
And where was Dune during XII? You know, since he is the head of the scene and all.
3) LOL, I never said I know more about SNK than him! Fanboy rage much? Because that's a typical reply...
4) Really? I have no idea about competitive environments yeah? This is a really bad arguement, because for one, you are assuming things about me. Secondly, you are saying people are forced to pick top tiers while you yourself don't have much knowledge about the other good characters in the game (because hardly anyone uses them). How many a time people ended up beasting with characters which were underused and not considered top tier.
5) You ignored certain other points I made, which were very significant; i.e, SNKP being forced to abandon the great XII engine because of people like Dune; I can't be bothered to re-type what I said about that but you saw it...and chose to ignore it.
Cycle like this:
-KoFXII comes out
-KoF players moan it 'doesn't feel like KoF' (this phrase always made me lol)
-No one decides to play it except some American players and UK players
-SNKP are in a major pickle because of this...game was only unfinished because they actually put effort into the game, yet little to no fans supported them or gave a damn (so if SNKP really don't give a damn about XIII I don't blame them)
-SNKP forced to change almost the entire system, so the stubborn KoF players would actually support them
-XIII comes out and people abuse glitches; infinites; top tiers; rinse the same few characters (even after moaning about XII's small cast); promote the game in the worst way possible; clearly only give a damn about themselves and not KoF
- Said player/s then think they have a right to moan about the game
-SNKP rushed and worked hard to give them what they wanted; yet they threw the game behind their backs when they didn't win SBO
-SNKP rushed to pump out characters they wanted and change the system to their liking; yet they picked few characters, didn't appreciate the effort or that the inconsistencies of the game is due to them forcing SNKP to revamp the whole system AND pump out those high res characters with little time left...
Remember all those loketests SNKP did for the game? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember how they said they'd go bankrupt if they don't sell this game? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember all the promotion they did for the game, and the director standing around during loketests dazed due to lack of sleep? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember how they changed the whole darn system? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember those amazing sprites and backgrounds that cost SNKP an arm and a leg? How can dune say they don't give a damn?
But you would support him wouldn't you, since he is 'Dune' right? You would support him even though the scene may very well die because of his attitude and the similar attitude of others right? =/
6) The AI guys have promoted this game really well. Even if the level is not as high, it's more varied in character choice AND gameplay; and it's much more amusing and fun when you watch their vids. Though of course, because one Japanese guy is salty; pessimism should be spread to try and kill the game...and it's ok, because he's a top player. =/
I'm glad you thought my post was funny, because I saw no composure in yours. Now you know alot more about KoF than I do, and you are alot more respectable...but come on.
@KingQuaka: Yes, the Kings are definitely back!
I don't understand why someone would "bad mouthing" KoF13 if he has an interest to it. Dune or whoever, was he tried to kill the game or what? Not very supportive. Good bye, new players. Good bye, Dune's followers. Good bye, "I"s that follow what the guy said. Good bye, most KoF communities.
Glad I'm not the only one...
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Dune's points are interesting, but I can agree with Aion's point that it's annoying to hear people complain about the quality of tools/tactics they themselves use. If there are ANY players I would hope could take an A- (or a B) and make them compete with an S+ tier, it'd be a tourney-level player.
And as they say, there's no honor among thieves... or in this case people who are playing for fame and income. It'd be great if people could just decide "This is too strong to -insert community here-, so lets not use it, for now", but, no, that's not how it is.
I rather like the KCE vids in this case, however. They're pretty high level play, but we've also seen some variety every once in a while. I'd like to think it helps provide balance to the "high tier abuse" scene.
Anywho, I think we all can agree that the ball is in SNKP's court now, right? They seem pretty close to drawing in the tourney players, as long as they move the game in a direction that such players feel is worth spending time with, right? I'm impressed with how close they are, considering the end of Dune's convo is still a "I still like the game!". He just doesn't trust SNKP to continue supporting it, the way it seems.
A majority of the game already seems "decent for a casual player", or even to pull in some of the "young crowd". Damage is high enough off fairly easy tactics (especially with Neomax) that KoF neophytes can possibly compete with those who are all crazy strategic with their meter management. Promotion and content could keep this groundwork going long enough, to where players no longer doubt KoF's next installment, they instead ask for, and look forward to it, to see new stages, real new characters (not just upgraded old ones), etc.
With Capcom and Arc both going the way of Arcade upgrades and Digital Downloads, I think it's pretty likely SNKP will try to follow suit one way or another. Indulging in such things, such as easier ways to upgrade an existing product, might be exactly what XIII needs, in order to sway people more firmly to it's side. I just hope we get some real clues to their future plans soon.
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Aion: Your condescending tone betrays you. Though you've now since posted a point-by-point reply to Dandy_J, I still feel that you present yourself with a haughty tone; though your disdain may exclude explicit references, it still exudes implicit opinion.
SAB-CA: It takes a hell of a lot more than "well, the system is super cool" to pull in completely fresh folks.
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It really seems like this is the sort of debate that having an SBO type format reinforces. No matter if you're Dune or the casual observer, the obvious issues (EX glitch, Raiden, etc) are going to be even more apparent in this type of tournament. Once things are hashed out a bit more, I'm sure we'll see a review that is more favorable, assuming those glaring issues are fixed. If not... well, you can't make them fix it, gg SNK
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SAB-CA: It takes a hell of a lot more than "well, the system is super cool" to pull in completely fresh folks.
Surely. I was saying that I believe XIII has a good groundwork laid out, in addition to a flow of combat that should make it rather easy to approach, for a variety of skill levels and players.
As cool as the UMs are for the tourney crowd, they're still games that, to the average user, look like 1990s-era stuff. XIII is the strongest graphical showing they've got, with a low amount of "ugly jaggies!", and a pretty high amount of style and presentation. A good amount of that extra-crowd that BB pulled in, the type interested in the cool anime aesthetic rather than the depth of gameplay, many of them could probably be swayed into buying XIII, with the proper promotions.
In the end, I'm saying that this is a KoF that SNKP could make modestly successful, even without setting the competetive world on fire, if they handle it right. (Of course, I'd prefer it if they could please all sides...)
The main people who had interested in 1998 and 2002 UM games are the hardcore... but a new game, that looks like a decent competition to it's closest competitors, filled with custom colors that look like recognizeable subjects (Look, Fat Venom! Some dude from Avatar!), big fullscreen ending/cinematic pictures, a story mode with text for every battle, and big, dramatic special moves, amidst fightsthat are pretty satisfying to fight in, even when just learning? This could all go somewhere... IF they hendle it properly.
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Is this guy the "head" of KOF japanese comunity?? LOL Then KOF japanese comunity needs a new head.
KOF is not dying, this guy is killing it...
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Er...are you guys even reading what he said properly ? Most of his opinions are pretty valid.
No offence to Fiol but i have a suspicion the interview hasn't been translated properly, from what i can read it doesn't come off as negative as people are taking it.
Especially since what was translated is not the whole interview it's easy to misinterpret.
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Er...are you guys even reading what he said properly ? Most of his opinions are pretty valid.
No offence to Fiol but i have a suspicion the interview hasn't been translated properly, from what i can read it doesn't come off as negative as people are taking it.
Especially since what was translated is not the whole interview it's easy to misinterpret.
mmcafe said the same things as i did.. i might have said that in my opinion the game is dying in japan but still i ve never said that Dune HAS just negative thoughts about 13. The things i translated were the same things that,later on, The Professor cleared up. About the SNK part..here the chinese version:
A：这样居然还能打完斗剧啊……
D：SNKPLAYMORE拼命把KOF13弄成斗剧项目的，本来是没有的。比赛本身来说我倒觉得还可以接受
A：也就是说，KOF13看起来非常华丽，其实还是有这样那样的问题？
D：看起来其实非常不错。而且，有不少新的要素，我还是非常喜欢它的。
A：在日本说到KOF的话，也是98和02吧。
D：正在逐渐演变成这样。没办法。SNK最近也快变得麻烦了，现在的领导人并不重视KOF（以下根据DUNE本人的要求，省略若干“不满”的发言）。
A：是啊，最近有的作品都是什么手机用的，PSP的飞机什么的……
D：所以，可能KOF13就是KOF系列的完结……当然，这是我个人的观点。目前还没有确定的情报。只不过，现实实在太严峻，很难乐观起来了。
here my translation:
A:unexpectedly, 13 was at SBO
D:SNKP. took a great risk in joying the SBO..at first the were not listed...In my opinion the competion (13) was quite not that bad
A:in other words, KOFXIII looks pretty good, but still have some problems?
D:it seems indeed pretty good/ok.Furthermore,it has some new key elements,as a matter of fact i still like it.
A: as far as KOF is concerned, 98/02 are again the best..
D:at first yes. There is no way out.SNK recently had some problems, now the leader doesnt take seriously KOF (according to Dune request, I omit some "dissatisfied" statement)
A: oh yes, recently is all about mobile phone products,psp,shrumps...
D:so,KOF13 might be the last KOF....but still it's just my own point of view..It's just that the reality,now, is really grim, it's really difficult to be optimistic
i just emphasize a little bit ...
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Well that's the thing, when you emphasize it even a little bit people read it the wrong way (as some have been) and get something completely different out of it.
The difference between bulletpointing what someone says and the literal translation can change the meaning completely.
Like i said though, no offence towards you and thanks for the translation.
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Well that's the thing, when you emphasize it even a little bit people read it the wrong way (as some have been) and get something completely different out of it.
The difference between bulletpointing what someone says and the literal translation can change the meaning completely.
Like i said though, no offence towards you and thanks for the translation.
well i actually just emphasize the snk part saying: they dont give a shit..but the right translation ("now the leader doesnt take seriously KOF") still is not that positive xD
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Well, I guess is what happens sometimes with translations.
I'm just going to ignore this interview since I don't have chinese knowlead to read it.
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snkp needs to patch that shit up fast, they way too fucking dumb it seems. they ae fucking over the arcade goers imo by waiting this long.
also why the fuck should dune have been promoting 12? it was a shit game, i still own my neo and bad games you just shouldnt buy. i remember i brought back kof 96 in the same week it came out and got ms1 instead, best return ever imo. fuck shit games, and the worst part about it was the game looked fucking fantastic and sounded great (music and shit), it had the fucking boss team. but it was a piled up bag of shit.
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How about you actually explain why you agree with him instead of mocking me? Because it seems to be you didn't understand what I said nor even try to see my point, when you very well may understand, and if so I'd like to hear and be shown what's what.
All you've done is simplify my post, removed the context, explanations etc, in an attempt to make it seem like what I've said is silly; and made it look like you'd follow Dune unconditionally due to 'who he is'. Do you really agree with him anyway? If so, why?
your post didnt make any more sense with context and explanations. i cant agree or disagree with dune because 1. i havent played the game and 2. i dont live in japan. and neither do you. your impressiion of the game is from videos (unless you are in cali or tx, in which case is your impression of the game the same as their laggy monitors?) and your impression of snk is from what you hear from sources thrice removed at best. so whether you agree or disagree with his opinions, either way youd be forming an opinion based on less knowledge than what he has, which would make expressing a strong a opinion in either direction a pretty silly thing to do.
2) You say he's the head of the Japanese scene...then why is it that he's only promoting the same characters everyone else picks? He says it's difficult not to be pessimistic when he has been one of the contributing factors to the bad taste left in everyone's mouths. He puts up video's...of the same darn characters over and over again...do you know how many people are being bored to death? And how many KoF newbies think the game is dead boring? Or how many people think the game has major balance issues?
lmao its not his place to 'promote' characters. who the fuck does that? what if the cannons told justin wong 'yo, stop using rufus, that dude is boring. polls from scrubs show that they want to see more el fuerte, can you use him instead?' hahahaha wtf. he puts up videos of his crew, which all have their teams, and they tend to be top tier since everyone in that crew are among the best players in japan. plus sbo was coming up, so trying to find some goo shit that may or may not exist with seemingly worse characters is not a good look. and one of his crew won sbo, so uh, yea.
and personally i dont find any of the kce videos boring. if you think they are boring, maybe fighting games arent for you, or maybe you just arent into them as much as you think. when i am interested in a game, im interested in the game, not the characters. sure its nice to see some variety but the game is the game. btw people think the game has major balance issues...because it does. k' isnt on every team for nothing.
All the while I tell these guys not to worry, because it's just that all they get to see are the same few characters so it feels that way. And I don't care who Dune uses off screen, because what matters to the promotion of a dying franchise is what is shown on screen...and he's pumping out video's of the same darn thing. I mean, SBO finals sure were great right? But it doesn't matter because it wasn't offscreen I guess =/
its not his place to advertise the game. he doesnt work for snk. he cant change the game either. what exactly would you want him to do? use low tiers and get raped by one of his boys using k' raiden kyo or w/e? reality is reality.
Dude complains about Raiden and uses Raiden...and the arguement about 'promoting' Raiden so SNK can realize is moot because everyone uses Raiden and SNK already know lol.
dune doesnt use raiden in any videos.
And where was Dune during XII? You know, since he is the head of the scene and all.
not playing it, same as everyone else. why would someone subject themselves to that piece of shit? lol
3) LOL, I never said I know more about SNK than him! Fanboy rage much? Because that's a typical reply...
funny you calling me a fanboy when you are complaining that hes not PROMOTING CHARACTERS lol! sorry i didnt know pointing something out using logic was typical.
4) Really? I have no idea about competitive environments yeah? This is a really bad arguement, because for one, you are assuming things about me. Secondly, you are saying people are forced to pick top tiers while you yourself don't have much knowledge about the other good characters in the game (because hardly anyone uses them). How many a time people ended up beasting with characters which were underused and not considered top tier.
well you didn't disprove it, so im right i guess? and picking top tiers...you realize sbo was coming up? in those times, players usually stick to whats good early on and then play with that stuff a lot so they can get plenty of practice in with what they know.
5) You ignored certain other points I made, which were very significant; i.e, SNKP being forced to abandon the great XII engine because of people like Dune; I can't be bothered to re-type what I said about that but you saw it...and chose to ignore it.
i think 13 is on the same engine...but you probably meant the 13 mechanics. they changed it because the game sucked and no one liked it. same reason you never saw uneven stages and universal wall push in tekken ever again after tekken 4.
Cycle like this:
-KoFXII comes out
-KoF players moan it 'doesn't feel like KoF' (this phrase always made me lol)
-No one decides to play it except some American players and UK players
-SNKP are in a major pickle because of this...game was only unfinished because they actually put effort into the game, yet little to no fans supported them or gave a damn (so if SNKP really don't give a damn about XIII I don't blame them)
-SNKP forced to change almost the entire system, so the stubborn KoF players would actually support them
-XIII comes out and people abuse glitches; infinites; top tiers; rinse the same few characters (even after moaning about XII's small cast); promote the game in the worst way possible; clearly only give a damn about themselves and not KoF
- Said player/s then think they have a right to moan about the game
-SNKP rushed and worked hard to give them what they wanted; yet they threw the game behind their backs when they didn't win SBO
-SNKP rushed to pump out characters they wanted and change the system to their liking; yet they picked few characters, didn't appreciate the effort or that the inconsistencies of the game is due to them forcing SNKP to revamp the whole system AND pump out those high res characters with little time left...
LMAO @ blaming the players for the quality of the game! damn, that is a good one. yes, its the players fault the game has powerful top tier characters and glitches and infinites. they used the power of their mind to control snk and put those things into the game.
Remember all those loketests SNKP did for the game? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember how they said they'd go bankrupt if they don't sell this game? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember all the promotion they did for the game, and the director standing around during loketests dazed due to lack of sleep? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember how they changed the whole darn system? How can Dune say they don't give a damn? Remember those amazing sprites and backgrounds that cost SNKP an arm and a leg? How can dune say they don't give a damn?
idk, youd have to ask him i guess? i dont remember them saying theyd go bankrupt, only that itd be the last kof.
But you would support him wouldn't you, since he is 'Dune' right? You would support him even though the scene may very well die because of his attitude and the similar attitude of others right? =/
well i already addressed that i dont have enough knowledge to agree with him or not. and what scene? the fighting game scene? last i checked it was strong as ever.
6) The AI guys have promoted this game really well. Even if the level is not as high, it's more varied in character choice AND gameplay; and it's much more amusing and fun when you watch their vids. Though of course, because one Japanese guy is salty; pessimism should be spread to try and kill the game...and it's ok, because he's a top player. =/
well good for them. of course you skip over the raiden mirrors and parts about the answer saying that raiden is ruining the game for him. yes, saying a character ruins the game is great promotion. dude, players cant change the fucking game. it is what it is. in the end, people are gonna find out the good shit is good eventually, this aint north korea.
I don't understand why someone would "bad mouthing" KoF13 if he has an interest to it. Dune or whoever, was he tried to kill the game or what? Not very supportive. Good bye, new players. Good bye, Dune's followers. Good bye, "I"s that follow what the guy said. Good bye, most KoF communities.
just keeping it real. do you really want people to like a game with opinions based around complete bullshit?
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dandy bringing the truth (and rape)
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Is this guy the "head" of KOF japanese comunity?? LOL Then KOF japanese comunity needs a new head.
KOF is not dying, this guy is killing it...
wut?
Just because the guy shared an opinion of the game doesn't mean that he should be removed to be the head of the KOF community, hell, I can't see how could that happen, he is respected because he is one of the best players of the world, isn't like he is the president of a fan club that you could remove just like that
Like Dandy said, Dune is not killing the game, he is just sharing his opinion, he said that people are returning to play 98UM and 2002UM because that's really happening, if he said ''people are playing XIII all day'' he would be lying, if the most hardcore players aren't vocal with the problems of the game, nobody will do it and we will accept everything that SNKP releases no matter what
He's opinion about that SBO was the end of XIII was true too, lots of people complained about the game being too broken and other shit
Now, about his opinion of that this will be the last KOF, I doubt it, the fighting genre is stronger than ever, SNKP knows that besides all the problems that their games had, they still had an strong fanbase around the world that want and respect kof, even some players that are focused on other games still had KOF placed on their heart, games like 2002UM showed to SNK that people still want to play them
The thing that I think will happen with KOF, is that they will play in a similar way than Arc System Works, they release the game on consoles, fix all the problems that the game had, add some new characters, and release the console game on arcades, using the Nesica service that taito pulled out, SNK amongst others was listed on the companies who would be using the system, I doubt that they will using it to sell Sky Stage 2 and Samurai Shodown Sen Warriors Rage
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dunes main point, is that the game is ruined because of the balance issues and glitches and bugs. if this isnt improved and patched, wtf would encourage arcade goers to play this shit? if people have favorite characters, theyd like to play them and stand a chance. and thats not even talking bout them infinites, totally gamebreaking. snkp is really taking way too fucking long with that patch. its an arcade game, why bring it out for the arcades if you cant even make sure the game is handled properly so that arcade goers can actually enjoy the shit and create a scene?
all in all, if they dont fix all the bs im pretty much finished with gaming in general. once every few weeks a few rounds of fighting or few tracks racing with gt5 and thats it. quality games are a dying art, and 13 has way too much potential to let it get fucked up like it has been getting. fix the shit, its just a fucking patch thats done through usb, wtf is their problem?
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On a completely different topic,maybe SNKP should strongly consider making arcade cabinet versions of the UM games. They are very popular games and if XIII got sold out quickly, I'd imagine the UM games would go just as fast.
As for Dune's comments, it just seems like he is echoing everything that everyone knows needs to be fixed by the time the game gets a console release.
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I think there are good arguments from BOTH sides, just keep the personal insults/snide remarks to a minimal please.
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On a completely different topic,maybe SNKP should strongly consider making arcade cabinet versions of the UM games. They are very popular games and if XIII got sold out quickly, I'd imagine the UM games would go just as fast.
ehmm both 2k2um and 98um are available in the arcades lol
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Damn. Dandy J layin the verbal smackdown.
In my humble opinion, arguing about this is stupid. People aren't going to play games that they don't like, and if the Japanese players feel like 98UM and 2k2UM are better games than XIII, then those are the games that they're going to play. Complaining and bashing Dune won't change that. The fact is that XIII has obvious issues and needs some additional attention from SNKP before it can receive more serious play. As to whether or not that happens, well, the ball is in SNKP's court.
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I still think that Playmore will wait until the console releases to patch the arcade game
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Guess they'll "Playless" in that region until then.
haha... man that was lame.
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I liked it, lol
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Man I'd at least like to play the game once before I decide I'm gonna think it sucks. What a gyp!
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What is needed from SNKP is a release date for consoles. What is needed from us is support. One man's opinion means nothing, if everyone reading it can think for themselves. But many of us will follow the opinion of one man whether right or wrong. Bad things has happen because of this. People may have missed the opportunities of a life time by following one man's opinion. Wrong thing to do in this case. We need to give SNKP our support on this one.
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what AI guys think about that?_?
My opinion is, they of course need to patch it up and fix balance issues. Whether this will be the last KOF is too hard to tell, there are too many conflicting arguments (sold out world-wide vs bugs) to tell this early. As far as lag, the first 2 weeks we experienced a slight loading lag when it was saying round 1, but then it disappeared for till last week I saw it again last week. It never lagged in game where it matters the most.
Overall, I think we love XIII too much to really care what the rest of the world thinks. Even the hardcore former 2k2'ers--Huntington Park aka Cali-Mexicans aka Team Chaos, all say they love XIII more when I ask them (it's funny coz between waiting for their turns they'll go play 2k2um, win the majority of the time, then come back and play XIII. I'll ask them which one they like better and they all smile and say XIII). I think that's why there's a general lack of interest in any of DG's tourneys (with all due respect) coz everyone is focused on XIII.
What Kane says is the truth, I cannot hold NDE in Cali until 13 hits consoles, and based off what I know about that, that is really the only hope of me holding a tournament in Cali right now because everyone is focused on 13.
Also if you all want to get info from Dune just ask me, I talk to him a lot.
Also in reference to Dune, I can't say anything bad about the guy, I have more than likely had more contact with him than 90% of you on this site, he is why I was able to get Bata and Danke to Mexico for both JuareZ WarZone and Game of Death, it is HE that wants to go to Los Angeles some day, and he is my connection to all things in the Far East in regards to KOF.
In regards to what people like, people like what they like, why do you guys care what someone else likes?
Every country has their own identity, I've said this on my videos and everything else, you won't change that, just accept it and move on..
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ehmm both 2k2um and 98um are available in the arcades lol
Really? I was told that there were never official cabs made for the games.
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ehmm both 2k2um and 98um are available in the arcades lol
Really? I was told that there were never official cabs made for the games.
official cabs won't be released for those games..actually it ve never happened before for any kof.. why should they do something like that? as far as kof98um is concerned, they did a cheap edition for the mainland china market (KOF98hero).. but there is no use to them on making official cabs for those game..
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ehmm both 2k2um and 98um are available in the arcades lol
Really? I was told that there were never official cabs made for the games.
official cabs won't be released for those games..actually it ve never happened before for any kof.. why should they do something like that? as far as kof98um is concerned, they did a cheap edition for the mainland china market (KOF98hero).. but there is no use to them on making official cabs for those game..
But there are official roms/boards for them. Just in case cibernetico gets confused even further, I though I'd point that out.
Did you think all those Japanese kof2k2um/kokf98um vids were recorded of them playing on ps2? Majority of the Japanese players don't even have a console, yet you only see 2k2UM matches and hardly any og2k2. There's a reason for that, it's because that's where the scene is at at the moment. Everybody plays 2k2UM (and some XIII).
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Arcade Infinity people are enjoying the game, and I think is the same broken game... isn't it?
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The diference is that you can't compare that KOF XIII is a sucess in a North American Arcade (And also in a small market where we talk about arcades, I think that there aren't that many cabs of KOF XIII in the states) to being a sucess in Asia where is the focal point to earn money to SNKP
At least I don't know how the game is doing in China, Hong Kong, or those countries were KOF is big
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At least I don't know how the game is doing in China, Hong Kong, or those countries were KOF is big
The game has been reported to be sold out so...yeah.
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We keep hearing how it's sold out. Does anyone know or have heard of the official numbers of the game worldwide? You'd think they would make more if the game sold out and is still in demand.
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We keep hearing how it's sold out. Does anyone know or have heard of the official numbers of the game worldwide? You'd think they would make more if the game sold out and is still in demand.
Yeah, seriously. How many frigging machines did they produce? Like under 50? lol.
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Arcade Infinity people are enjoying the game, and I think is the same broken game... isn't it?
That is normal in US, just look at MvC2. The more broken, the more fun it is!
Yeah, I'm joking, but also serious to some extend.
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mvc2 is liked because its filled with men in tight latex suits.
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You know what, don't worry, I should really keep my mouth shut when it comes to things like these, it doesn't even help anyway.
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Opinions are fine Aion, like I said earlier, as long as it's not getting personal and no insults are exchanged--then discussion forums are for just that.
Having said that, this topic has run dry so I'm locking it up.