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Other Fighting Games => General Fighting Game Discussion => Topic started by: Eripio69 on October 25, 2010, 11:15:19 AM
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Namco created a very early model of Ryu for TKN X SF
(http://images.thekoalition.com/2010/08/9d097dba7181c1c23efed7a4aad9e2cd.jpg)
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6498/500xtekkenxryu.jpg)
Sorry guys I didnt know where to post this. The re should be a sub forum for other fighters except SNK since most of us here are Fighting gamers.
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Dream Cancel is a KOF community, not a fighting games one. In internet you can find a lot of fighting games comunities where to talk about Namco's Ryu and Capcom's Kazuya because SF is everywhere. Like this one: shoryuken.com
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I'd like to discuss it with KOF community. Is it bad?
When you visit a forum several times a day and you like it it is logical to discuss with them off topic staff of the same genre. I didn't ask you to talk about potatoes or something.
Every forum about a specific thing has discussion subforums for things of the same genre. We are in 2010 and people like to debate and discuss. How do you expect dreamcancel's community to grow? When there are no news for XIII we are not allowed to talk about something else and again WITH THE SAME GENRE? It will end up being an informative page for people to pop up and check if there is anything new for XIII and it will just die when XIII is on consoles.
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KOF has several titles and several characters to discuss about. What happens with subforums about SF or Tekken, or MK or BB, is that these subforums become more crowded than topics about KOF...
But I'm talking to talk, since I'm not stuff member of DC. So, feel free to talk about Namco's Ryu :)
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I didn't ask for a subforum for each fighting game. Just a subforum that someone can create threads and discuss about fighting games except KOF.
KOF is my favorite game since I can remember. If you don't want to talk about anything else fine. But seriously mods should think about it because the purpose of dramcancel it to attract casuals into KOF.
I still cannot see the problem on irrelevant subforums getting overcrowded. It is logical when there are no news for KOF people will discuss about something else. Believe me it will help the forum.
Anyway the mods can think about it or just trash the thread
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When I started Dream Cancel, I was opposed to having an Other Fighting Game subforum, mostly due to the frustration of visiting CX's forum and seeing more SFIV activity than KoF activity. I had a few interested people check out DC in its early form and they suggested putting the Other Fighting Games section back in and I did. As the first wave of members joined, I had several requests to do away with the Other Fighting Games subforum.
Dream Cancel is driven by its community. If a majority of the membership want it, I'll put it up. I'd prefer not to and that's one of the reasons the homepage is titled Dream Cancel: A King of Fighters community. SFIV players now own SRK, which used to be THE fighting game community. If people want information on the SFIV series, they have SRK. The goal of Dream Cancel is to build the KoF community by providing knowledge and gameplay focused information to all interested players.
That said, this subforum is the social section so this thread is fine here.
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If we want to build the KOF community in the states (well, in the western, but south america doens't need to build the KOF community as much as USA) I think that ignoring the existence of other fighting games will be plain stupid, more considering that at this moment, we don't have any fighting game to talk about
I met dreamcancel for shoryuken, I love this forum cause here there's a lot of people who knows shitloads of KOF and speaks in a language which I could understand (sadly, even though I speak spanish, I can't fucking stand mexican KOF pages, and is nothing against mexicans, I spend my vacations there and Loved that country, but there's no page where KOF players speak like normal people and don't leak stupid rumours every 10 seconds, I don't know where the top mexican players post to see that page)
The main problem is, that at this moment, we don't have any actual KOF game to talk about which as the same time, is the much mainstream possible to talk about and build a community which could be expanded more far than the barriers of a local arcade.
KOF 98UM has a shitload netcode, so it will be hard to build the game if nobody here has more guys to play with it (Which is sad, cause I fucking love 98 UM, but I can't play with anybody here, also, it seems like nobody gives a crap for this game here)
KOF XIII still doesn't had a console release, so a lot of people who are fans of KOF will not had that much reasons to visit a page which at this moment is more based on a game who only 30 guys could play and share their opinion, and from those 30 guys, maybe only 10 post here (proportion, mybe there are much or less
This leads us to our final game, KOF 2002UM, this game will be released soon, there will be a big chance that will had a netcode strongly enough to support online game at least within the USA (I had played with NorthAmericans NGBC, runs fine) the thing that this page will need, is create a big database to atrract all the guys who liked 2002UM and join the KOF community, meanwhile we should stilll need all the help that the guys from AI and monster arcade post here to get a big database, until the release of KOF XIII
The solution is not aisle us from the rest of the fighting games and which that one day lots of people will join us after they get tired of their fighting games, this should be a more friendly page where we receive everybody who had experience in other fighters and want to give KOF a shot, a little space will not do harm, if we feel that they are writing too much thing, we must surpass them and write lots of more things, the solution is not ignore the rest of games, the solution is fortify the KOF sections to make clear that this IS a KOF page but that we also love fighting games and that we will love to se more guys, not alienate the rest of the guys and being look like those KOF fans only. The problem with cyberfanatix is that seems that nobody seems to give a crap, and somehow over the time I saw them as the page of the ''Crazy CMV'' more than the page where they try to give lots of information, which is sad because in some time ago there was a lot of info
At least the born of dreamcancel felt very rushed, without a strong game where we could build the game around the page, I hope that when KOF XIII is released, we could see this page as a sort of dustloop, where there are lots of sub forums, dedicated to each character, match ups, and shit like that, and build around that the page (or shoryuken with any capcom game) The advantage of create this page before, is that we could still had some information to anticipate the release of the console game, also, here there's a lot of good posters, like all the guys that play the game in the arcades, we also had Rex Dart and Raikukojin who are in Japan now and gave us lots of information from there, also, I think that Dark Geese still posts here, and he has lots of contacts with Japan and Mexico, so I think that there's a future to build something good
I hope that with 2002UM we saw more information to atract people and build something funny and big
my 2 cents, at least I thing that a misc fighing game section will not be bad, the only thing is that musn't had a lot of space, just a subforum where you talk of all fighting games, with only one thread per game
Back to topic, man, that model is horrible
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When I started Dream Cancel, I was opposed to having an Other Fighting Game subforum, mostly due to the frustration of visiting CX's forum and seeing more SFIV activity than KoF activity. I had a few interested people check out DC in its early form and they suggested putting the Other Fighting Games section back in and I did. As the first wave of members joined, I had several requests to do away with the Other Fighting Games subforum.
Dream Cancel is driven by its community. If a majority of the membership want it, I'll put it up. I'd prefer not to and that's one of the reasons the homepage is titled Dream Cancel: A King of Fighters community. SFIV players now own SRK, which used to be THE fighting game community. If people want information on the SFIV series, they have SRK. The goal of Dream Cancel is to build the KoF community by providing knowledge and gameplay focused information to all interested players.
Agreed, while I would like a "other games" section we don't deserve one, until we can prove that this website is self-sustained by it's own community and has a big archive of information and members that can teach newcomers how to play KOF and help them improve we don't need a "other games" section, I always hear people yammer on (around here, and elsewhere) about how much they like KOF or that they've been playing it for X amount of years but can't even teach someone the basics, seriously you'd think if they liked it so much they would be more assertive and actually learn how to play the damn game and improve upon it and willing teach other people but I suppose that's asking for too much
sorry for going off-topic I guess
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what if they suck at teaching? can you still blame them?
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what if they suck at teaching? can you still blame them?
"Yes" and "No" imo
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By the way I'm done ranting so I'll get back on-topic
that Ryu model looks okay even though it's a test model, at least compared to gorilla box-head Ryu in SFIV/SSFIV
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that has got to be the ugliest headband Ever, it looks like construction paper lol it looks stiff. maybe if they gave it a little more detail to imply a different texture, although I agree on looking way better than sf4 ryu
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When I started Dream Cancel, I was opposed to having an Other Fighting Game subforum, mostly due to the frustration of visiting CX's forum and seeing more SFIV activity than KoF activity. I had a few interested people check out DC in its early form and they suggested putting the Other Fighting Games section back in and I did. As the first wave of members joined, I had several requests to do away with the Other Fighting Games subforum.
Dream Cancel is driven by its community. If a majority of the membership want it, I'll put it up. I'd prefer not to and that's one of the reasons the homepage is titled Dream Cancel: A King of Fighters community. SFIV players now own SRK, which used to be THE fighting game community. If people want information on the SFIV series, they have SRK. The goal of Dream Cancel is to build the KoF community by providing knowledge and gameplay focused information to all interested players.
Agreed, while I would like a "other games" section we don't deserve one, until we can prove that this website is self-sustained by it's own community and has a big archive of information and members that can teach newcomers how to play KOF and help them improve we don't need a "other games" section, I always hear people yammer on (around here, and elsewhere) about how much they like KOF or that they've been playing it for X amount of years but can't even teach someone the basics, seriously you'd think if they liked it so much they would be more assertive and actually learn how to play the damn game and improve upon it and willing teach other people but I suppose that's asking for too much
sorry for going off-topic I guess
Agreed with both nilcam and krazykrone. As young as this website is, and as slow as building support for KOF is, that should be a priority. Combine new members new to KoF, with subsections for other fighters, and you might have busier "other fighter subsections" based off of people wanting to talk about things they know about versus things they're learning.
And also, the type of atmosphere we've got here is by far the most accepting/reasonable of any community website dedicated to a fighter. I stayed on SRK so much when all the XIII info was being released to the world; it's hard to think I was there for that long. I barely miss the rampant insulting and name-calling there; it was a godsend when nilcam announced DC at SRK - a mature KoF site. Hope it can stay that way with a big member number.
And going on-topic for a second, odd seeing Namco doing Ryu like that. Someone had to do him right though, since Capcom wouldn't. Work on the headband more, but keep the face the way it is, and he'll be awesome.
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I think that everybody here knows that the top priority is talk about kof, but just for that you can't stop threads of other fighting games, more in the off topic
The solution is as simple to don't give them that much space
And going back to topic, I love womens in Namco Games, I hope that cammy looks like Lili :D and that now I could chance costumes to my characters without PAYING for them
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When I started Dream Cancel, I was opposed to having an Other Fighting Game subforum, mostly due to the frustration of visiting CX's forum and seeing more SFIV activity than KoF activity. I had a few interested people check out DC in its early form and they suggested putting the Other Fighting Games section back in and I did. As the first wave of members joined, I had several requests to do away with the Other Fighting Games subforum.
Dream Cancel is driven by its community. If a majority of the membership want it, I'll put it up. I'd prefer not to and that's one of the reasons the homepage is titled Dream Cancel: A King of Fighters community. SFIV players now own SRK, which used to be THE fighting game community. If people want information on the SFIV series, they have SRK. The goal of Dream Cancel is to build the KoF community by providing knowledge and gameplay focused information to all interested players.
That said, this subforum is the social section so this thread is fine here.
I strongly agree with this statement, and I don't think we are ignoring the rest of the fighting game community at all. Dreamcancel was designed to bring the most attention possible to KOF/SNK titles after there was a strong demand on Shoryuken.com for something like this, I feel like we would be going backwards if we start bring SF4 discussions here. SF4 and Capcom have plenty of attention on SRK.
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Dream Cancel was born from a thread on the Shoryuken.com forums in which users were discussing how to build a stronger scene for the King of Fighters game. This site is my contribution to that effort. I have attempted to create a place for all SNK/SNKP fans to gather, regardless of skill level.
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Let's just build the SNK scene... People are stuck in having to play SF4 even if they don't like it because everyone else talks about, reads about and plays it... It's leaving a sour taste in some people's mouths, and they're looking for another venue... KOF could be that breath of fresh air, but talking about something else (Tekken, SF, MB, JJBA, VH, VF, SnR, BF, CB, etc) isn't helping... Ok, if you came from a certain scene and are talking about how you came here thats cool, but with this site being not so old, it would help to promote, not provoke...
Years from now, I'm pretty sure other crap will be talked about and once the community grows to a huge mass, it will be more accepted I bet... As of now though, still too early in the game to do sidequests... Stick to the storyline and start leveling up first...
Plus I thought this was for non-fighting games anyway... What is Tekken doing here???
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The thing is, I just can't see a reason to don't talk about them, people are here to play KOF, this is why the had signed here, if the really wanted to talk competitively of X games, they would have signed in the forum of X game, at least I'm sure that everybody here is a KOF fan
At least there is still an off topic sub forum, let's just talk about whatever thing we want here with respect, but the excuse of ''this is a kof community, don't talk about other fighting games'' doesn't sound correct, if this the case, just don't create an off topic forum and focus only in the KOF and SNK games
Like I said, just don't give other fighting games exposure, but allow talk of them here, like per example, if I want to post the announce of a new release just let talk about it, that's don't became only the place where you talk of KOF, but also, a place where a bunch of friends who share their love of KOF could talk from their perspective abiut other fighting games
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That Ryu sucks ass.
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So how long before a lot of newcomers to the fighting game community start saying that Sega's Akira looks too much like this Ryu?
As for the different fighting games and talking about them, how about we just make one topic called "Other Fighting Games Discussion" and just confine all talk in there? It may get crowded because every other topic may be talking about a different game, but it would be something.
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btw, tekken vs street fighter IV will be a Street fighter IV featuring tekken right?
It will be really boring if that's the case, but the crossover was always stupid to me, those 2 games are very different between them, and it will be nearly impossible to mix them and made something good, hell, even Capcom vs SNK 2 is far from being a perfect combination of both series, it still feels like street fighter to me
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btw, tekken vs street fighter IV will be a Street fighter IV featuring tekken right?
It will be really boring if that's the case, but the crossover was always stupid to me, those 2 games are very different between them, and it will be nearly impossible to mix them and made something good, hell, even Capcom vs SNK 2 is far from being a perfect combination of both series, it still feels like street fighter to me
CvS2 essentially was a Street Fighter, at least to me. Players I met who played CvS but no KOF found it improbable that the SNK fighters could be better than what they were in that game.
Anyway, the parent company that handles whatever versus game usually handles it like their previous in-house title, so TekkenXStreet Fighter should play more like a Tekken fighter than anything. Capcom VS games will always be fun, but more in a casual sense, not something I can take totally serious. I'm really curious to see how Namco will handle shotos and/if projectiles. Just giving the shotos more moves than the three or four specials they've always relied on puts Namco's VS well over Capcom's VS right now.
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So how long before a lot of newcomers to the fighting game community start saying that Sega's Akira looks too much like this Ryu?
Trust me, he got enough of that during the first and second VF.
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for some wierd reason, lots of people think that all fighting games characters are rip offs from capcom
Capcom invented karate!
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for some wierd reason, lots of people think that all fighting games characters are rip offs from capcom
Capcom invented karate!
Most of the original World Warriors were ripped off of several anime characters, some KOF characters and some are based on real people...
So how long before a lot of newcomers to the fighting game community start saying that Sega's Akira looks too much like this Ryu?
Trust me, he got enough of that during the first and second VF.
Yeah, Akira might have looked like him, but Ryu looked like Mas Oyama... Plus Akira's 1P costume was his white gi to my knowledge... Most of the advertisements and fights you might see are with him wearing his blue and red kung fu gi (like the one he wears in the anime)... It wasn't until VF4 that his white gi became his 1p outfit...
Most game companies that make "main characters" are always inspired by something... Zen from The Rumble Fish, although had an original design, still had the "fight to become the strongest" mindset which several "posterboy" characters from other games had...
Kazuya could very well be original... I honestly don't know what ideas Namco got when making him...
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for some wierd reason, lots of people think that all fighting games characters are rip offs from capcom
Capcom invented karate!
Most of the original World Warriors were ripped off of several anime characters, some KOF characters and some are based on real people...
So how long before a lot of newcomers to the fighting game community start saying that Sega's Akira looks too much like this Ryu?
Trust me, he got enough of that during the first and second VF.
Yeah, Akira might have looked like him, but Ryu looked like Mas Oyama... Plus Akira's 1P costume was his white gi to my knowledge... Most of the advertisements and fights you might see are with him wearing his blue and red kung fu gi (like the one he wears in the anime)... It wasn't until VF4 that his white gi became his 1p outfit...
Most game companies that make "main characters" are always inspired by something... Zen from The Rumble Fish, although had an original design, still had the "fight to become the strongest" mindset which several "posterboy" characters from other games had...
Kazuya could very well be original... I honestly don't know what ideas Namco got when making him...
I think Namco had two ideas with Kazuya - kept blowback hairstyle + pure badassness
And a big LOL to "Capcom invented Karate"
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You know, I have yet to play any version of SF4 and after watching some streams from top tournaments I have to ask, does that game have any sort of Guard crush/break?
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as far is I know, no
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There is no guard break in the SFIV series.
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The only "guard breakage" that occurs is when certain moves are used to crush the guarding properties that the focus attack has (which it only takes about 1-2 hits to stop anyway)...
The last "pure" SF game to have a guard break was SFZ3/SFA3... SF3 only had a stun meter...
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I feel like Namco is a sell out by making TxSf just because its going to sell big, i would have preferred VF instead Sf, that game would be bad ass even if the VF characters had tekken controls, a marvel in gaming, too bad opportunity lost of one the best crossover
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I feel like Namco is a sell out by making TxSf just because its going to sell big, i would have preferred VF instead Sf, that game would be bad ass even if the VF characters had tekken controls, a marvel in gaming, too bad opportunity lost of one the best crossover
I feel you on that one. VF was a much easier, appropriate match. Hopefully after the iron has cooled down with all the versus hype, one side or another will think of it as worth pursuing.
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Not to go too off-topic, but seeing SNK go against another company like Arcsys would be interesting, or a revival of SNK v Capcom would be good...
So many people were wanting a VF vs Tekken, so much that a bootleg was made... It was 2d, but still the fact that someone made their own version should say something...
I am hoping that Namco's version of SF characters play better than their regular versions... Kinda sounds like it could be broken though (remember Algol???)...
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There goes Tekken 7 for me
what a waist
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I saw someone post the following on...somewhere, a while back (can't remember who...or where I saw it ._.)
Tekken x Virtua Fighter = Better idea
Tekken x Street Fighter = Better market (i.e. more $$$$$$$$$)
^Sad, but true.
That Ryu looks good for a prototype, allready an improvement over those steroid-induced gorilla models in ssf4.
Regarding a possible a future SNK vs X title...although this might send the discussion completely off-topic, is it just me, or are the only people who want to see a Capcom vs SNK 3, the Capcom-only fans? Apart from Darkstalkers and JJBA, I don't dabble too much in Capcom fighters, but I didn't really enjoy any of the SNK/Capcom crossovers, tbh. And everyone I know who prefers SNK to Capcom share the same view. Opinions?
Perhaps if they did what their doing with this game. Have an SF x KOF, with Street Fighter graphics, controls, and mechanics, and also have a KOF x SF, which has KOF graphics, controls, and mechanics (although they'd have to differntiate the titles a bit more to avoid confusion)
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I dont want to see a crossover where snkp dont benifet from it, I dont want to see CAPvsSNK 3 especially when its geared toward the SF fanbase with the snk characters, if they did do a crossover i want to see equal amount of work done from both company not just one especially if they are building it the ground up.
Tekken tag 2 is going to be better than TxSF especially in the gameplay
TTT 2 = excitement
TxSF= same ol same ol
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I dont want to see a crossover where snkp dont benifet from it, I dont want to see CAPvsSNK 3 especially when its geared toward the SF fanbase with the snk characters, if they did do a crossover i want to see equal amount of work done from both company not just one especially if they are building it the ground up.
Tekken tag 2 is going to be better than TxSF especially in the gameplay
TTT 2 = excitement
TxSF= same ol same ol
um cvs2 was balanced bro now cvs was raping snk since cap cut half of the kof moves
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Namco created a very early model of Ryu for TKN X SF
(http://images.thekoalition.com/2010/08/9d097dba7181c1c23efed7a4aad9e2cd.jpg)
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6498/500xtekkenxryu.jpg)
Sorry guys I didnt know where to post this. The re should be a sub forum for other fighters except SNK since most of us here are Fighting gamers.
cant wait 2 c the final build
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I saw someone post the following on...somewhere, a while back (can't remember who...or where I saw it ._.)
Tekken x Virtua Fighter = Better idea
Tekken x Street Fighter = Better market (i.e. more $$$$$$$$$)
^Sad, but true.
That Ryu looks good for a prototype, allready an improvement over those steroid-induced gorilla models in ssf4.
Regarding a possible a future SNK vs X title...although this might send the discussion completely off-topic, is it just me, or are the only people who want to see a Capcom vs SNK 3, the Capcom-only fans? Apart from Darkstalkers and JJBA, I don't dabble too much in Capcom fighters, but I didn't really enjoy any of the SNK/Capcom crossovers, tbh. And everyone I know who prefers SNK to Capcom share the same view. Opinions?
Perhaps if they did what their doing with this game. Have an SF x KOF, with Street Fighter graphics, controls, and mechanics, and also have a KOF x SF, which has KOF graphics, controls, and mechanics (although they'd have to differntiate the titles a bit more to avoid confusion)
I don't know, I still think that a VF vs tekken would had made lots of money, specially in arcades
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I saw someone post the following on...somewhere, a while back (can't remember who...or where I saw it ._.)
Tekken x Virtua Fighter = Better idea
Tekken x Street Fighter = Better market (i.e. more $$$$$$$$$)
^Sad, but true.
That Ryu looks good for a prototype, allready an improvement over those steroid-induced gorilla models in ssf4.
Regarding a possible a future SNK vs X title...although this might send the discussion completely off-topic, is it just me, or are the only people who want to see a Capcom vs SNK 3, the Capcom-only fans? Apart from Darkstalkers and JJBA, I don't dabble too much in Capcom fighters, but I didn't really enjoy any of the SNK/Capcom crossovers, tbh. And everyone I know who prefers SNK to Capcom share the same view. Opinions?
Perhaps if they did what their doing with this game. Have an SF x KOF, with Street Fighter graphics, controls, and mechanics, and also have a KOF x SF, which has KOF graphics, controls, and mechanics (although they'd have to differntiate the titles a bit more to avoid confusion)
I don't know, I still think that a VF vs tekken would had made lots of money, specially in arcades
VF is the best 3d fighter ever TK is just ......well BUTT!!!!!