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Tournaments => Results => Topic started by: LouisCipher on April 30, 2011, 05:43:39 AM
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Sorry if I'm jumping the gun and someone's planning on making a thread. Anyone have the KOF98UM and 02UM match videos from power up? I know JWong took 98UM but who won 02UM?
*Edit: feel free to move this to the Results forum if I fucked up.
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http://www.justin.tv/teamsp00ky/b/284774951
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Yeah, but the stream crapped out during the 02UM. At least I think it did.
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Wow at JWong winning 98UM xD (wayyy dissapointed....but can't say I'm surprised!!!)
...all I gotta say about that is Justin decides to enter 98UM at tournaments I'm not at, but when I show up he says he won't play me in 98UM etc...Oh my..anyways.
Justin will probably win 02UM too...
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He didnt wanna money match us when he was up here in MN in 98UM, XI, XII and even Garou. He said he just presses buttons. :/
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He didnt wanna money match us when he was up here in MN in 98UM, XI, XII and even Garou. He said he just presses buttons. :/
Okay glad I am not the only one addressing this guys because it seems like just coming from me I am "just bashing the USA skill level."
Which to a degree I am, but since I see Desmond is practically saying the same thing, people need to realize when it comes to Capcom etc, yes Justin Wong is very very strong, but when it comes to KOF guys, he is not. The only reason he is winning these tournaments is because to put it in PC polite terms-
The level of skill is greatly lacking....
I've said this before guys, Justin Wong picks his battles. He won't enter a tournament he doesn't feel he can win. He won't enter 98UM if I am present (see Raging Storm Phoenix) and he won't money match me in like 99% of SNK games, but against some of you guys he feels he can win he'll money match you.
Not to knock on Justin guys, but just trying to crack the "Justin Wong aura", it's not him being "godly" or "because he's Justin Wong", it's him just picking his battles, and he clearly didn't see a threat in Ohio so he entered 98UM.
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I was really expecting Dandy J to take him out (and I heard he lost to floe as well?) but that wasn't the case. Looking at the video, Justin played like he knew what he was doing, but people just couldn't stop it.
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I was really expecting Dandy J to take him out (and I heard he lost to floe as well?) but that wasn't the case. Looking at the video, Justin played like he knew what he was doing, but people just couldn't stop it.
I figured that would be the case, Justin is just again picking his battles. He plays with Heavy D! and I bet he used him in those matches, but again inexposure for most of those people to that way of play is what doomed these people...
What is it going to take to get people all around the USA strong in KOF??? I've heard people saying "Why can't people stop Justin from winning?" Well if Justin continues to pick his battles his win percentage will continue to be high lol....
But if he challenges people like me, Mr. KOF etc..you will see his win percentage plummet... lol.
I personally prefer to have to earn my victories against some of the toughest competition you can find...than to pick the easiest ones and go to random tournaments just to win...because to me they don't mean anything...
Money is nice don't get me wrong, but I live for the thrill of the competition.
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Off topic a bit but is Justin Wong losing interest in competitive gaming or something? Aparently, it seems whenever he doesn't pick his main everyone says he is trolling and from what I've heard, he's been doing this a lot lately. It's as if he just doesn't care anymore.
Is this a sign that he is sorta not caring anymore?
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Off topic a bit but is Justin Wong losing interest in competitive gaming or something? Aparently, it seems whenever he doesn't pick his main everyone says he is trolling and from what I've heard, he's been doing this a lot lately. It's as if he just doesn't care anymore.
Is this a sign that he is sorta not caring anymore?
I do not know, all I know is Justin Wong in reference to KOF and SNK games, the other stuff I don't follow as much...
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I think he has been recently "trolling," because of the EVO points and such.
I'm sure he has enough, but probably screwing around on purpose to share some with friends while making the matches more entertaining for us and more fun/challenging for him.
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Not trying to stir the shit or anything. But Dark Geese, you were brought up a lot in the commentary for 98UM.
Dandy was great on the commentary, sucked that he lost to Justin.
Yeah, the gameplay wasn't too great but only 5 or so people entered the KOF tournaments so what can you do. Didn't help that almost everyone picked shoto-like characters.
It was funny later in the day Justin was trolling during the SSF4 matches and called the game random and shit. It was funny as hell.
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Not trying to stir the shit or anything. But Dark Geese, you were brought up a lot in the commentary for 98UM.
Dandy was great on the commentary, sucked that he lost to Justin.
Yeah, the gameplay wasn't too great but only 5 or so people entered the KOF tournaments so what can you do. Didn't help that almost everyone picked shoto-like characters.
It was funny later in the day Justin was trolling during the SSF4 matches and called the game random and shit. It was funny as hell.
Of course I was brought up in the commentary, me and Mr. Blasty went over this last year around this time, I know it's all in good fun...
If someone REALLY wants to challenge me in a money match or something they know where to find me lol....I ain't scared...
I mean I'll be in their neck of the woods (Minnesota) for a residency for my PhD (I'll be hanging with Desmond for 4 days) in like 3 weeks..so if they really wanna play me that is one of their chances this year I have three of these residencies all over the USA this year for my PhD.
Obviously I chose Minneapolis, MN to be one so I can go hang out with Desmond!!! :)
Plus I know Webster was there helping run these events, if anyone isn't doing anything more than running their mouth, I am CERTAIN Webster will let me know...
In the end though, I think we need to keep this going so people can gain experience, I mean bottom line is the more experience people gain the better....
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i just saw the matches ......... wtf
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DRN: Look at it like this man, at least they ARE playing.... and to me at this point and time that is what counts, everyone starts somewhere...and it isn't how you start, but how you finish!!
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DRN: Look at it like this man, at least they ARE playing.... and to me at this point and time that is what counts, everyone starts somewhere...and it isn't how you start, but how you finish!!
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this statement is very tryue
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i understand no hate there.
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I just saw the Power-up footage. Justin practically turtled Dandy J to death. He must've been excited to beat J.Wong because he was constantly rushing him. Dandy can play way better than he did. In most cases when people try to apply SF tactics into KoF play, it usually don't turn out well for them and vice versa.
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Man I couldn't even make it to this. I may have actually won this year. I'm highly disappointed at quite a few people though.
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Man I couldn't even make it to this. I may have actually won this year. I'm highly disappointed at quite a few people though.
Yeah if I knew J.Wong was entering, I would've made the effort to come down there. I can't really say how I would've done against him because he used exactly the same Kensou tactic Dandy J used to beat me with last year. I've developed counter measures for that since then, but I haven't been up against too many Kensou's to put them to the test. Anyway, thanks for taking time out to talk to me and play with me when I was there, Necro. Power-up 2012's looking really good right now. :)
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Can someone link me to the videos of the KOF games? If they are on YouTube, I can't seem to find them at all.
And for some reason, even though I'm not a top player at the game, something bothers me about Justin Wong winning a tourney for a game he doesn't even play much. oh well.
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I can tell he probably played it a lot in the past, but doesn't currently focus on it. Also, he can just apply his fighting game experience and fundamentals to other games (like KOF) and just win based on that.
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I can tell he probably played it a lot in the past, but doesn't currently focus on it. Also, he can just apply his fighting game experience and fundamentals to other games (like KOF) and just win based on that.
Yeah, the tactics he used were basic but still very effective . He just basically zoned really well with Kensou and Ryo.
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On top of that, (I think I said this in the dreamcancel chat) Wong knew of Ryo's cr.b, cr.c link, and he was doing some nasty combos with Heavy D. I think he was just having a flashback, haha.
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I don't think anyone playing really knew what was going on. My boy was playing and got hit mass because he was trying to attack when he should have just blocked. No one was trying to gain initiative with strong air CD attacks. No real mix up game, No one was rushing back in after two blocked light attacks. They weren't even aware of advantageous air attacks like a horizontal range, or strong kick. Wongburger was using Heavy D!'s air C and people were just getting hit by it. Not to mention everyone was completely oblivious to frame traps.
No problem Dojo. I just wish we could have competed then I would have played for blood lol.
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I don't think anyone playing really knew what was going on. My boy was playing and got hit mass because he was trying to attack when he should have just blocked. No one was trying to gain initiative with strong air CD attacks. No real mix up game, No one was rushing back in after two blocked light attacks. They weren't even aware of advantageous air attacks like a horizontal range, or strong kick. Wongburger was using Heavy D!'s air C and people were just getting hit by it. Not to mention everyone was completely oblivious to frame traps.
No problem Dojo. I just wish we could have competed then I would have played for blood lol.
Yeah, I'm down for that. But you should really consider expanding your game, Necro by picking up KoF 98 and 2K2 UM's and giving it a shot. You won't be disappointed. You can also come down here to MN to throw down if you want. We'll definitely make it worth your while. If not, I'll be back to Ohio soon. It's time for the U.S. to get stronger and represent, man!
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I don't think anyone playing really knew what was going on. My boy was playing and got hit mass because he was trying to attack when he should have just blocked. No one was trying to gain initiative with strong air CD attacks. No real mix up game, No one was rushing back in after two blocked light attacks. They weren't even aware of advantageous air attacks like a horizontal range, or strong kick. Wongburger was using Heavy D!'s air C and people were just getting hit by it. Not to mention everyone was completely oblivious to frame traps.
No problem Dojo. I just wish we could have competed then I would have played for blood lol.
Yeah, I'm down for that. But you should really consider expanding your game, Necro by picking up KoF 98 and 2K2 UM's and giving it a shot. You won't be disappointed. You can also come down here to MN to throw down if you want. We'll definitely make it worth your while. If not, I'll be back to Ohio soon. It's time for the U.S. to get stronger and represent, man!
I do play both the UM's it's just my favorite characters have been severely nerfed so I just stick to 98. If I can ever get a ride I'll come down that way I need some offline challenges.
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I can tell he probably played it a lot in the past, but doesn't currently focus on it. Also, he can just apply his fighting game experience and fundamentals to other games (like KOF) and just win based on that.
I will elaborate on that further guys-
To elaborate on what Desmond is saying, he can get away with that IN THE USA.. (Justin)
Justin would be looking at last place in any KOF he enters in Mexico without question (He knows this just ask him, he's said this type of stuff before about the only reason he and Steve Harrison etc are winning in SNK games is because the skill level is not good at FR/other tournaments and 95% of tournaments in the USA).
So to answer your question about it bothering you Ciberfantico, I told you why that's the case, the competition isn't that strong in the USA overall. It's not Justin Wong being Justin Wong, it's him basically playing people that aren't that strong in the games being played that's really it, because if he played true strong people (in California for example), he probably wouldn't even make it past the first round!!!!
I remember playing Justin in KOFXI at MWC like 3 years ago and he got 2nd in that, and when he played me in the Finals I destroyed him!!! (But he beat everyone else easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iAMqI3JDY
It was too easy, I barely broke a sweat! LOL. But again because the level of play at that tournament wasn't even remotely close to the level of play I would see in Mexico or even California, well he got exposed!
People in Mexico were asking me back then and I told them "He shouldn't have even made it to the Finals, but then again the skill level in the USA compared to Mexico is like comparing apples and oranges in KOF."
Even at EVO when he joined and we had KOFXI (I ran it Mago entered and won), Justin Wong got LAST PLACE.
Also it's not me just saying this, Dojo Destroyer knows what's up, the average person in Juarez alone that barely plays 98UM is quite better than Justin Wong.
Also Dojo I bet you money Zeus's Kensou is light years better than Justin's!!!!
So in retrospect, sure the level of play doesn't look strong, but again people have to start somewhere...
and if Justin really wants a challenge, he knows where to go and WHO to challenge *cough ME COUGH COUGH*
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Gotta try to get him up to MN in the fall somehow. If the bonus pot for SSF4 and MvC2 is good enough, he might try to make it...then hopefully he will enter in the SNK games...
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Gotta try to get him up to MN in the fall somehow. If the bonus pot for SSF4 and MvC2 is good enough, he might try to make it...then hopefully he will enter in the SNK games...
He still won't enter Desmond, ESPECIALLY if I am there, you can just forget about it then, because I will have a list a mile long of games I will challenge Justin Wong in for $500 per game, and he won't accept because again, he knows he won't win!!
He's told me this before (to me personally and on SRK) on his "Who wants to Money match Justin Wong" threads and stuff so it's not like I'm saying stuff he doesn't already know or we haven't discussed before!!
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i was gonna post justin wong vs dark geese in NGBC but mysteriously i can't find the video
so many comments over a 5 person tournament lol
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i was gonna post justin wong vs dark geese in NGBC but mysteriously i can't find the video
so many comments over a 5 person tournament lol
He is good in NGBC (Triad would agree even, but wait what do I KNOW RIGHT??) , but he is NOT in KOF... (Oh yeah remember WE TIED FOR 1ST IN THAT TOURNAMENT DAN, HE DIDNT WANT TO RUN IT BACK IN GRAND FINALS!!!)
I thought about trolling like Dan, but mysteriously ooohhh, I decided to be a better man and NOT TO DO IT.
He (Justin) even said the ONLY game he would money match me in ...is..NGBC..
No KOF, nothing else. That's the only game he actually stands a good chance at playing me in!!!! (Garou MOTW too because I don't play it.)
But again..NOT KOF.
So many comments over a 5 man tournament? Well because to many they see what I have been saying all along- it's basically that Justin Wong is playing not so good competition that is how he is winning and that history just continues to repeat itself over and over again.
Plus if this is what it is going to take to get more people playing, so be it! They see this, will train up and try to make sure Justin doesn't get these easy wins anymore!
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I thought about trolling like Dan, but mysteriously ooohhh, I decided to be a better man and NOT TO DO IT.
Yeah, that type of shit will not be tolerated here, syxx. Keep it up, and you will be dealt with accordingly.
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It doesn't really matter how many people were in the tournament, it only matters who was in it. Apparently Justin Wong entered this one. Dandy J should also get his due for putting in the effort. It shouldn't really be a big deal since J.Wong is a Street Fighter player and if he didn't MM in Minnesota when he was here, then we should probably forget about it. Only way to find out if he'll enter is to setup a pre-registration for KoF and other games as well.
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It doesn't really matter how many people were in the tournament, it only matters who was in it. Apparently Justin Wong entered this one. Dandy J should also get his due for putting in the effort. It shouldn't really be a big deal since J.Wong is a Street Fighter player and if he didn't MM in Minnesota when he was here, then we should probably forget about it. Only way to find out if he'll enter is to setup a pre-registration for KoF and other games as well.
Raging Storm Minnesota I can try to set up a pre-registration! With all due respect Webster also told me Dandy J really didn't even play or focus on KoF that weekend, he was all into MK9 so he really only went in the KoF section just to enter the tournament then he was all over MK9.
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It doesn't really matter how many people were in the tournament, it only matters who was in it. Apparently Justin Wong entered this one. Dandy J should also get his due for putting in the effort. It shouldn't really be a big deal since J.Wong is a Street Fighter player and if he didn't MM in Minnesota when he was here, then we should probably forget about it. Only way to find out if he'll enter is to setup a pre-registration for KoF and other games as well.
Raging Storm Minnesota I can try to set up a pre-registration! With all due respect Webster also told me Dandy J really didn't even play or focus on KoF that weekend, he was all into MK9 so he really only went in the KoF section just to enter the tournament then he was all over MK9.
Yeah, I forgot. Ohio's gaga over MK. Lol! That's MK country over there. Btw, did anyone find out who won 2k2 over there?
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It doesn't really matter how many people were in the tournament, it only matters who was in it. Apparently Justin Wong entered this one. Dandy J should also get his due for putting in the effort. It shouldn't really be a big deal since J.Wong is a Street Fighter player and if he didn't MM in Minnesota when he was here, then we should probably forget about it. Only way to find out if he'll enter is to setup a pre-registration for KoF and other games as well.
Raging Storm Minnesota I can try to set up a pre-registration! With all due respect Webster also told me Dandy J really didn't even play or focus on KoF that weekend, he was all into MK9 so he really only went in the KoF section just to enter the tournament then he was all over MK9.
Yeah, I forgot. Ohio's gaga over MK. Lol! That's MK country over there. Btw, did anyone find out who won 2k2 over there?
I haven't heard anything about it yet so don't know if it actually happened I will check with Webster though.
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Well what you guys don't know is that Justin has been secretly training with the SoCal KOF crew. That's why he won hhohohohohohohohohoh
j/k :)
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Well what you guys don't know is that Justin has been secretly training with the SoCal KOF crew. That's why he won hhohohohohohohohoh
j/k :)
LOL well he needs to train up with Mexico and DG to solidify his training.. ;)
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Well what you guys don't know is that Justin has been secretly training with the SoCal KOF crew. That's why he won hhohohohohohohohoh
j/k :)
LOL well he needs to train up with Mexico and DG to solidify his training.. ;)
=( /OT
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Raging Storm Minnesota I can try to set up a pre-registration!
On top of that why not we try to add a bonus pot for a few of the SNK titles too? Shit, I will chip in for that...especially to help those whom are traveling make it more worth their while.
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Yeah the Comp for KOF at Powerup as i saw was just.....well damn. At least they streamed it. Had hella people who didn't know shit about KOF asking in the chat room what is this game. Even a few people i read in the chat room said KOF looks far more technical then Street Fighter which is cool.
I was hoping at least Dandy J would of done a little better but he did ok. Also, Necro I played you before on GGPO you solid IMO man. If you would of went to PowerUp I could of easily seeing you get top 3 in this small tourney man.
At least the streamed it bottom line. Over 6 thousand people was watching IRC. So dats cool and a large majority of the people who didn't know shit about KOF seem to be entertained by it and give it its respect.
BTW
It was funny how they where calling Heavy D! the Balrog of KOF. Lol that mofo dont charge lol.
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Raging Storm Minnesota I can try to set up a pre-registration!
On top of that why not we try to add a bonus pot for a few of the SNK titles too? Shit, I will chip in for that...especially to help those whom are traveling make it more worth their while.
Okay that may work I'll see if I can timing is going to be everything but I will try to make a bonus pot for the SNK games which ones do you think we should add it for? (Obviously 13 being one)
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I don't want to bash Justin Wong. He's a smart player in general. He should be able to win against casual players in KOF by playing smart. Would he win against a veteran? Most certainly not...but at least he's not bragging about being great at KOF.
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Well what you guys don't know is that Justin has been secretly training with the SoCal KOF crew. That's why he won hhohohohohohohohohoh
j/k :)
It's true what the answers has said....Justin wins in KOF while I win in Sf4! Gotta balance it out somehow =P
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I don't want to bash Justin Wong. He's a smart player in general. He should be able to win against casual players in KOF by playing smart. Would he win against a veteran? Most certainly not...but at least he's not bragging about being great at KOF.
Everything I been trying to tell people all wrapped up in one right here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not like Justin Wong is going around saying he's GOD in KoF, it's that some people give him TOO MUCH CREDIT in him winning all these tournaments without knowing all the facts from the actual hardcore players themselves.
Lemme tell you guys who has a pretty mean Heavy D! in 98UM for real..I like Mr. KOF's Heavy D! any day of the week over Justin Wongs...
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It's true what the answers has said....Justin wins in KOF while I win in Sf4! Gotta balance it out somehow =P
I saw you take out Alex Valle in AE last night, seemed like a pretty serious match and I know he knows how to use Ryu too, good stuff John!
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That was Valle playing? My eyes have gone bad.
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Wow 4 pages for a 5 man tournament? Heh. You guys are reading way too much into this. I fully expected both tournaments to be canceled along with Melty due to low entrants, but there were just enough people for a round robin and Spooky wanted to start the stream off with something. No one here (including myself) plays KOF actively anymore. Too many new games that people like (including myself) kills interest in anything older than SF4. Tourneys are cool and all, but when I know no one is actively playing/practicing, and half the people that should have and could have entered don't bother, it's pointless. Could've just played 5 million casuals instead.
As far as I'm concerned KOF is dead in the US until people outside of the core community actually care about playing it, i.e. when and if 13 gets a home port. I am glad it was on the stream and I got to talk about the game a little, though. Maybe if the UM ports had good online, people could actually practice a little and feel confident enough to enter tourneys, and it could have an actual scene.
BTW Justin's King is 20% lamer than mine, minimum. :7)
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i was gonna post justin wong vs dark geese in NGBC but mysteriously i can't find the video
so many comments over a 5 person tournament lol
He is good in NGBC (Triad would agree even, but wait what do I KNOW RIGHT??) , but he is NOT in KOF... (Oh yeah remember WE TIED FOR 1ST IN THAT TOURNAMENT DAN, HE DIDNT WANT TO RUN IT BACK IN GRAND FINALS!!!)
I thought about trolling like Dan, but mysteriously ooohhh, I decided to be a better man and NOT TO DO IT.
He (Justin) even said the ONLY game he would money match me in ...is..NGBC..
No KOF, nothing else. That's the only game he actually stands a good chance at playing me in!!!! (Garou MOTW too because I don't play it.)
But again..NOT KOF.
So many comments over a 5 man tournament? Well because to many they see what I have been saying all along- it's basically that Justin Wong is playing not so good competition that is how he is winning and that history just continues to repeat itself over and over again.
Plus if this is what it is going to take to get more people playing, so be it! They see this, will train up and try to make sure Justin doesn't get these easy wins anymore!
I'm sorry, but every NGBC match I see Justin Wong playing, he's ONLY using Big and Kim... Both top tier and braindead easy to use... Granted, they're beatable, but because of the tools they both have, its uphill still... Does he play anybody other than these 2??? I mean of course I see why he would only money match you in this game... It's like some cat saying "I'm only gonna money match you in JJBA because I play the hell outta Petshop' (extremely high tier character, damn near broken)... Or money matching in T6 'cause he mashes out with Bob... And cats watch these matches on Youtube, and start jizzing their pants saying "Oh he's so skilled in a game I've never seen before", "He must have just picked this game up, and he's awesome", blah blah blah overhype... FOHWTS...
Not trying to hate though, because I play Big, but I use him in all the games he's in, plus I picked him up in NGBC before I knew he was top tier... Plus I play other characters... But cats sweat him real hard... You right DG, dude does pick his fights...
As far as I'm concerned KOF is dead in the US until people outside of the core community actually care about playing it, i.e. when and if 13 gets a home port. I am glad it was on the stream and I got to talk about the game a little, though. Maybe if the UM ports had good online, people could actually practice a little and feel confident enough to enter tourneys, and it could have an actual scene.
So sad, but true...
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Jinxhand- It's the truth man, I understand the man is legendary, he's Justin Wong yes I understand...but he is not a God in everything. Hell I don't even want people sweating me, I tell people I am human like anyone else, please don't jockride me or put me on a pedestal, all I am IS A GUIDE..use me to to GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO!!!
In regards to Justin- He doesn't play anyone else other than Kim-Big. He can take Kim-Big right now, money match me, and certainly at the level I'm at right now just from playing KOF in Mexico, he won't beat me. Playing KOF in Mexico has actually helped my SvC Chaos game and my NGBC game tremendously, I see things I simply didn't see before not even 3 years ago when we played.
So I would LOVE to play Justin Wong in NGBC for money, I'd have Neo Dio, Hanzo, Kisarah, Athena, Tung, Kim, Robert, Kyo, IORI, GEESE ready for him and I even think I could go toe to toe with him even mirror match Kim-Big team because I understand both characters better (Kim due to KOF) and Big (due to 98UM) due to playing in Mexico!!!
So again all Justin has to do is say the word!!!! I accept!
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Jinxhand- It's the truth man, I understand the man is legendary, he's Justin Wong yes I understand...but he is not a God in everything. Hell I don't even want people sweating me, I tell people I am human like anyone else, please don't jockride me or put me on a pedestal, all I am IS A GUIDE..use me to to GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO!!!
I don't think you have to worry about anyone putting you on a pedestal.
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Playing KOF in Mexico has actually helped my SvC Chaos game and my NGBC game tremendously, I see things I simply didn't see before not even 3 years ago when we played.
I'm saying man, hook a homeboy up with that knowledge, eh???
In regards to Justin- He doesn't play anyone else other than Kim-Big.
I'm just simply wondering why did he specifically pick those characters though, I mean sure, he plays Chun in any other game, but she just happened to be top tier in 3S... She's top in TvC I believe as well... He also plays Cammy in other games, but she was top tier in XvSF, or at least was high enough to be a threat, although everyone damn near had an infinite in that game... I got a feeling if he were to play GG, he'd be maining Slayer or Eddie, and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
I mean, I'm not against top tier characters... I'm just tripping off of cats who sweat top players crushing cats with top tier characters in SNK games, and he doesn't really go where the real heads are at, 'cause that curtain's gonna get ripped the hell off, ya know?? I don't sweat most top players anyway, but I do give props where its deserved... I mean I'm not gonna watch a Youtube vid of Daigo crushing cats in MK9 with some top tier character (or any character) and start drooling-- man I don't even do that watching SF vids you know what I'm saying?
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and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
He did actually. I remember some random mini tourney that had FHD and he used Karnov raped everyone. It's out on youtube somewhere.
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Playing KOF in Mexico has actually helped my SvC Chaos game and my NGBC game tremendously, I see things I simply didn't see before not even 3 years ago when we played.
I'm saying man, hook a homeboy up with that knowledge, eh???
In regards to Justin- He doesn't play anyone else other than Kim-Big.
I'm just simply wondering why did he specifically pick those characters though, I mean sure, he plays Chun in any other game, but she just happened to be top tier in 3S... She's top in TvC I believe as well... He also plays Cammy in other games, but she was top tier in XvSF, or at least was high enough to be a threat, although everyone damn near had an infinite in that game... I got a feeling if he were to play GG, he'd be maining Slayer or Eddie, and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
I mean, I'm not against top tier characters... I'm just tripping off of cats who sweat top players crushing cats with top tier characters in SNK games, and he doesn't really go where the real heads are at, 'cause that curtain's gonna get ripped the hell off, ya know?? I don't sweat most top players anyway, but I do give props where its deserved... I mean I'm not gonna watch a Youtube vid of Daigo crushing cats in MK9 with some top tier character (or any character) and start drooling-- man I don't even do that watching SF vids you know what I'm saying?
You've figured it out, all he does is learn the top tier characters in a game for the most part and then he stops learning the game because that is all he will need to know to beat people here in that given game!!!
In regards to what I see from Mexico, I'd have to break it down with you in PMs because now I see instant overheads I didn't use before all kinds of stuff!
I'm not against learning the tops in a game either, my MO is this- if you learn at least 80% of the cast in the game you pretty much have every right to pick who you choose because you've put the time and effort to learn everyone!
Someone who just takes the shortcuts and learns a few of the cast is gonna get destroyed give or take by many of the REAL players who know how to play almost all of the cast at a high level, but as I said, Justin does not play these players....and he knows where they are.
So his win count and legendary status goes up because he continues to dodge these players!
That'd be like me dodging someone like Kula in Mexico if he was right there for me to play. I have the opposite mentality, I'd rather play the STRONGEST opponents in the world win lose or draw and get better from that than just play weak opponents and collect my wins.
Playing weak opponents to me does very little..I walk away with an empty feeling after victory. But I get satisfaction even LOSING to a high calibur player...
Ash- You'd be surprised my friend I got some people I gotta reiterate this to right now....from some of my youtube videos etc.
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Playing KOF in Mexico has actually helped my SvC Chaos game and my NGBC game tremendously, I see things I simply didn't see before not even 3 years ago when we played.
I'm saying man, hook a homeboy up with that knowledge, eh???
In regards to Justin- He doesn't play anyone else other than Kim-Big.
I'm just simply wondering why did he specifically pick those characters though, I mean sure, he plays Chun in any other game, but she just happened to be top tier in 3S... She's top in TvC I believe as well... He also plays Cammy in other games, but she was top tier in XvSF, or at least was high enough to be a threat, although everyone damn near had an infinite in that game... I got a feeling if he were to play GG, he'd be maining Slayer or Eddie, and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
I mean, I'm not against top tier characters... I'm just tripping off of cats who sweat top players crushing cats with top tier characters in SNK games, and he doesn't really go where the real heads are at, 'cause that curtain's gonna get ripped the hell off, ya know?? I don't sweat most top players anyway, but I do give props where its deserved... I mean I'm not gonna watch a Youtube vid of Daigo crushing cats in MK9 with some top tier character (or any character) and start drooling-- man I don't even do that watching SF vids you know what I'm saying?
You've figured it out, all he does is learn the top tier characters in a game for the most part and then he stops learning the game because that is all he will need to know to beat people here in that given game!!!
In regards to what I see from Mexico, I'd have to break it down with you in PMs because now I see instant overheads I didn't use before all kinds of stuff!
I'm not against learning the tops in a game either, my MO is this- if you learn at least 80% of the cast in the game you pretty much have every right to pick who you choose because you've put the time and effort to learn everyone!
Someone who just takes the shortcuts and learns a few of the cast is gonna get destroyed give or take by many of the REAL players who know how to play almost all of the cast at a high level, but as I said, Justin does not play these players....and he knows where they are.
So his win count and legendary status goes up because he continues to dodge these players!
That'd be like me dodging someone like Kula in Mexico if he was right there for me to play. I have the opposite mentality, I'd rather play the STRONGEST opponents in the world win lose or draw and get better from that than just play weak opponents and collect my wins.
Playing weak opponents to me does very little..I walk away with an empty feeling after victory. But I get satisfaction even LOSING to a high calibur player...
Ash- You'd be surprised my friend I got some people I gotta reiterate this to right now....from some of my youtube videos etc.
You'll be surprised about how much of the opposite there is.
I don't think being able to use most of the cast justifies if you can use mainly top tiers or not. In fact I don't think anyone needs any justification at all and just pick whatever characters they want to use. Who is to tell someone what characters they should and shouldn't use?
Also about using top tiers, don't a lot of top mexican players use a lot of top tier characters as well? I could've sworn there's a lot of Billy/Angel usage.
One thing I'd like to point out is I'm not defending Justin Wong in particular, but anyone who picks top tier characters. I mean you can take any player and find a reason to bash on them. Here at dream cancel we're suppose to respect other players and other games. I only point out that putting you on a pedestal issue because you aren't respecting other players as it seems. You wouldn't want the same happening to yourself if people try to find a reason to discredit anything you do. If so, this would be SRK forums all over again.
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Playing KOF in Mexico has actually helped my SvC Chaos game and my NGBC game tremendously, I see things I simply didn't see before not even 3 years ago when we played.
I'm saying man, hook a homeboy up with that knowledge, eh???
In regards to Justin- He doesn't play anyone else other than Kim-Big.
I'm just simply wondering why did he specifically pick those characters though, I mean sure, he plays Chun in any other game, but she just happened to be top tier in 3S... She's top in TvC I believe as well... He also plays Cammy in other games, but she was top tier in XvSF, or at least was high enough to be a threat, although everyone damn near had an infinite in that game... I got a feeling if he were to play GG, he'd be maining Slayer or Eddie, and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
I mean, I'm not against top tier characters... I'm just tripping off of cats who sweat top players crushing cats with top tier characters in SNK games, and he doesn't really go where the real heads are at, 'cause that curtain's gonna get ripped the hell off, ya know?? I don't sweat most top players anyway, but I do give props where its deserved... I mean I'm not gonna watch a Youtube vid of Daigo crushing cats in MK9 with some top tier character (or any character) and start drooling-- man I don't even do that watching SF vids you know what I'm saying?
You've figured it out, all he does is learn the top tier characters in a game for the most part and then he stops learning the game because that is all he will need to know to beat people here in that given game!!!
In regards to what I see from Mexico, I'd have to break it down with you in PMs because now I see instant overheads I didn't use before all kinds of stuff!
I'm not against learning the tops in a game either, my MO is this- if you learn at least 80% of the cast in the game you pretty much have every right to pick who you choose because you've put the time and effort to learn everyone!
Someone who just takes the shortcuts and learns a few of the cast is gonna get destroyed give or take by many of the REAL players who know how to play almost all of the cast at a high level, but as I said, Justin does not play these players....and he knows where they are.
So his win count and legendary status goes up because he continues to dodge these players!
That'd be like me dodging someone like Kula in Mexico if he was right there for me to play. I have the opposite mentality, I'd rather play the STRONGEST opponents in the world win lose or draw and get better from that than just play weak opponents and collect my wins.
Playing weak opponents to me does very little..I walk away with an empty feeling after victory. But I get satisfaction even LOSING to a high calibur player...
Ash- You'd be surprised my friend I got some people I gotta reiterate this to right now....from some of my youtube videos etc.
You'll be surprised about how much of the opposite there is.
I don't think being able to use most of the cast justifies if you can use mainly top tiers or not. In fact I don't think anyone needs any justification at all and just pick whatever characters they want to use. Who is to tell someone what characters they should and shouldn't use?
Also about using top tiers, don't a lot of top mexican players use a lot of top tier characters as well? I could've sworn there's a lot of Billy/Angel usage.
One thing I'd like to point out is I'm not defending Justin Wong in particular, but anyone who picks top tier characters. I mean you can take any player and find a reason to bash on them. Here at dream cancel we're suppose to respect other players and other games. I only point out that putting you on a pedestal issue because you aren't respecting other players as it seems. You wouldn't want the same happening to yourself if people try to find a reason to discredit anything you do. If so, this would be SRK forums all over again.
Trust me I respect Justin Wong as a player, I just am trying to make sure that people know the full story about what is going on and do not give him too much credit prematurely. I personally to tell you the truth do not care who people play one way or another, but I just want to make sure that people know the full story.
That's really it.
Otherwise I don't care if Justin Wong picks every top tier character in every game. I just don't want people thinking Justin Wong can go around the world or to California or places like that and do what he is doing in these other parts of the USA.
That's really all I am trying to convey to people. It hits on a bigger concept, and that's people that "take shortcuts" instead of actually learning the game.
That can only get you so far, and you may win a few beginner to intermediate level tournaments, but when you actually play as Mr. KOF says "veterans" or those of high level skill or an international tournament, you will be exposed for all the stuff you do not know.
Take a look at the Hummer situation- because people around him in Japan were not learning all these other characters, the characters in Mexico tripped him up..why?
Because most of the players in Japan didn't use the characters that the players in Mexico were using!! Thus again all I am saying is if you do not learn all the characters or try to gain that experience, in the end you are only hurting yourself if you wish to compete on an international level!!!
Otherwise again I honestly don't care who anyone picks, because I am more focused on bettering myself than to truly worry about who others pick.
People are going to always find reasons to try and discredit me I am very much aware of that, if they are going to look for something they are going to find it.
Also trust me I am not surprised by how much of the opposite there is, I understand I am the pariah in the USA, and trust me I embrace that role and truly don't have any problems with it. Pariah in the USA=I fit right in in Mexico.
In the end it was just a situational mismatch. I am better suited for Mexico than I am the USA.
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It should be the other way around...the players JWong beat should be embarrassed they lost to him. He shouldn't be looked up to. The players, I felt, had no real knowledge of the game. I wouldn't have let him win that shit.
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and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
He did actually. I remember some random mini tourney that had FHD and he used Karnov raped everyone. It's out on youtube somewhere.
Yeah man I came across it looking for some tourney matches last night...
http://youtu.be/5SvoiLEM3CA
A big fat LOL at some of the comments, too...
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and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
He did actually. I remember some random mini tourney that had FHD and he used Karnov raped everyone. It's out on youtube somewhere.
Yeah man I came across it looking for some tourney matches last night...
http://youtu.be/5SvoiLEM3CA
A big fat LOL at some of the comments, too...
What?! There's a fighting game for this??? Lol! Nice.
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and if he were to play say FHD, he'd be whoring Karnov right now, and not a character that he can make strong with skills...
He did actually. I remember some random mini tourney that had FHD and he used Karnov raped everyone. It's out on youtube somewhere.
Yeah man I came across it looking for some tourney matches last night...
http://youtu.be/5SvoiLEM3CA
A big fat LOL at some of the comments, too...
What?! There's a fighting game for this??? Lol! Nice.
http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=695.0
Yep and that's the thread for it right there.
Also guys what is it going to take to get the entire USA at a more competitive skill level so it won't seem like the haves and the have nots????
Sure KOF13 coming out is nice, but again people are going to be way far behind other KOF veterans if they are not learning the older KOFs seriously right now..
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Also guys what is it going to take to get the entire USA at a more competitive skill level so it won't seem like the haves and the have nots????
Sure KOF13 coming out is nice, but again people are going to be way far behind other KOF veterans if they are not learning the older KOFs seriously right now..
Cats are simply gonna have to get out there, and simply get other people into the game... I mean the US can't ever say "the graphics are ugly, so I won't play it"... Dudes play ST all day, and its like what a CPS2 board in the early stages-- and not many play SFZ2 or even SFZ3... Plus both 98UM and 2002UM got beefed up visually, so that's no longer a reason...
Petition SNK to fix the netcode of both 2k2UM and 98UM, in conjunction with MOTW and FFS even more... What's funny to me is that people still play UMK3, SSF4, and even T6 with crappy netcode, and 2k2UM's isn't as bad, it just depends on who you're playing...
Advertising also helps... Money talks, too... Hold some tourneys with some serious dough perhaps??? Get more high level players (from all types of fighters) involved and possibly interested... I'm sure that if someone like Aris were to get on KOF, the Tekken heads might follow, same goes for Tom Brady and the DOA/MK players...
DG, I'm pretty sure you can also be the Sentinel assist in getting that hype up, and challenging fools left and right... Plus you and the Arcade Infinity cats can upload and inspire...
Hopefully these podcasts can build some hype...
Exposure over to SRK?? Iunno, I'm just throwing out ideas here...
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Also guys what is it going to take to get the entire USA at a more competitive skill level so it won't seem like the haves and the have nots????
Sure KOF13 coming out is nice, but again people are going to be way far behind other KOF veterans if they are not learning the older KOFs seriously right now..
Cats are simply gonna have to get out there, and simply get other people into the game... I mean the US can't ever say "the graphics are ugly, so I won't play it"... Dudes play ST all day, and its like what a CPS2 board in the early stages-- and not many play SFZ2 or even SFZ3... Plus both 98UM and 2002UM got beefed up visually, so that's no longer a reason...
Petition SNK to fix the netcode of both 2k2UM and 98UM, in conjunction with MOTW and FFS even more... What's funny to me is that people still play UMK3, SSF4, and even T6 with crappy netcode, and 2k2UM's isn't as bad, it just depends on who you're playing...
Advertising also helps... Money talks, too... Hold some tourneys with some serious dough perhaps??? Get more high level players (from all types of fighters) involved and possibly interested... I'm sure that if someone like Aris were to get on KOF, the Tekken heads might follow, same goes for Tom Brady and the DOA/MK players...
DG, I'm pretty sure you can also be the Sentinel assist in getting that hype up, and challenging fools left and right... Plus you and the Arcade Infinity cats can upload and inspire...
Hopefully these podcasts can build some hype...
Exposure over to SRK?? Iunno, I'm just throwing out ideas here...
Sure thing you know when 13 hits consoles I'm putting my full advertising machine behind it!!
Man it's like this- If people are going to look for excuses not to play a game, they will find it....
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You're right-- people will find an excuse for not playing any particular game... I personally think its fear and/or laziness... That, or some people are just elitist and refuse to play whatever game that's not the one they play... Sure, there are niches and people in it, but as a fighting game community, we should at least give this game or that game a try, and at the very least respect it and its players... Unity is key, especially for us who have what like 3-4 different types of KOFers: 98, 2k2, XI, and I believe XII is its own group now, each praising the game they play and bashing the other... Speaking of bashing, just because a game has horrible netcode doesn't mean it should be bashed outright, or written out rather... There's still local sessions that can be held (remember the snes/genesis days??) and hopefully with enough support, that particular game developer can see that, and in turn beef up the netcode... But if no support is visible, then they won't really have a reason to do anything... That isn't to say that they shouldn't have had all of their ducks in a row prior to game release day, because they should have handled that though...
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You're right-- people will find an excuse for not playing any particular game... I personally think its fear and/or laziness... That, or some people are just elitist and refuse to play whatever game that's not the one they play... Sure, there are niches and people in it, but as a fighting game community, we should at least give this game or that game a try, and at the very least respect it and its players... Unity is key, especially for us who have what like 3-4 different types of KOFers: 98, 2k2, XI, and I believe XII is its own group now, each praising the game they play and bashing the other... Speaking of bashing, just because a game has horrible netcode doesn't mean it should be bashed outright, or written out rather... There's still local sessions that can be held (remember the snes/genesis days??) and hopefully with enough support, that particular game developer can see that, and in turn beef up the netcode... But if no support is visible, then they won't really have a reason to do anything... That isn't to say that they shouldn't have had all of their ducks in a row prior to game release day, because they should have handled that though...
Yeah man and I simply don't have the time nor the patience nor the care to deal with this stuff anymore. Where I would 5 years ago, this has taken its toll of me so much it was evident when I left the DFW tournament early Saturday because I considered it to be a waste of my time. Hearing people say "It looks like MUGEN" and all that and stuff like "Does anyone have Third Strike?"
All that stuff reminds me why I have to balance whatever I may be doing in the USA with multiple trips to Mexico because I simply cannot stand this type of stuff anymore. We all know what happens next- you put in the game they wanna play on YOUR TV then everyone gathers around and starts coming to play and you sit there for 5 hours playing a game you didn't really wanna play in the first place.
That's one of the main reasons I even stopped doing gatherings when I used to hold them because I mean damn again what am I getting out of all of this? I'm taking care of others and NOT MYSELF.
You can only do that for so long before you say the hell with all of it!!!
People can either understand it, or be selfish and not! People forget, though I live in the USA I don't HAVE to tolerate that type of stuff anymore!!!
-DG
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You need to move to SoCal, that will solve all your problems.
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SoCal is the mecca.
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Yeah SoCal and NY are the "fighting meccas", but I personally feel that they shouldn't be the ONLY places to flock to for tourneys to be in the competitive scene... Granted, some places are just spaced the hell out, so you can't really goto every tournament, or even hold dedicated sessions, because a bunch of cats live 2-3 hours away from a central location (couple that with traffic, and blah blah blah) and that's understandable... But not every place is like that...
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Yeah SoCal and NY are the "fighting meccas", but I personally feel that they shouldn't be the ONLY places to flock to for tourneys to be in the competitive scene... Granted, some places are just spaced the hell out, so you can't really goto every tournament, or even hold dedicated sessions, because a bunch of cats live 2-3 hours away from a central location (couple that with traffic, and blah blah blah) and that's understandable... But not every place is like that...
I get your overall point but to be fair, SoCal is pretty huge. SoCal traffic one of the worst in the nation, and we still have crazy fools like metaphysics who drives 55+miles, one way, to Alex Arcade.