Dream Cancel Forum

Other Fighting Games => General Fighting Game Discussion => Topic started by: DarKaoZ on August 23, 2011, 05:18:49 AM

Title: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: DarKaoZ on August 23, 2011, 05:18:49 AM
Dunno if there was a topic about it. Anyways, first change list posted in Capcom SSF4/SFxT Blog:

http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/development_blog/2011/08/23_4052.html (http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/development_blog/2011/08/23_4052.html)

Translation:

Ryu
-Increased the vertical hitbox on U2 for better anti-air/full animation.
-Can combo full U2 after counter hit Shakunetsu Hadoken. So if c.mk gets absorbed by a FA, Ryu can do EX Fireball, FADC U2 for 500 damage. If Ryu is close range he can hit EX Fireball -> U2 without FADC.
-The “brake” frame on air Tatsu decreased by 3 frames, if used on this frame the trajectory will change.
-Solar plexus 40+60 for 100 total damage.
If he hits S.RH counter hit on a crouching opponent he can combo sweep after it.

Chun-li
-Head stomps will come out on DF, not just D. They note that DB won’t work though.
-Kintekishu (B+MK) +3 advantage on counter hit, easier to hit confirm into the second hit.
-Sweep 150 stun.
-Kikoken startup 9F, easier to use as AA/use in combos.
-They are fixing the bug where characters fell out of the U1 juggle in AE.

Ken
-Target combo hits easier on crouching opponents, can also delay the inputs.
-EX Shoryuken damage 80+30+30+50, 190 total.

Honda
-Jab headbutt gets its upper body invincibility back.
-Strong headbutt loses it, so it works the same as Jab Headbutt did in AE.

Blanka
-Each ball gets an extra 10 in damage, so Jab 110, Strong 120, Fierce 130, EX 120.
-For Fierce and EX Ball, if it hits on the second frame (same frame where FA cancel is possible), it causes blow-back damage. Will be easier to follow-up EX Ball with additional hits if FADC’d.
-Charged Rock Crusher gives Blanka a 5 frame advantage, so he can do Rock -Crusher, C.MK, FP Ball as a combo.

Zangief
-Jab SPD 150 stun.
-EX Backfist damage 90+50 for a total of 140. Stun 100+50 for a total of 150.
-Adjusted the hitbox on c.jab, so that it hits more easily off a jump-in against characters it formerly didn’t. Hurtbox for c.short reduced in height, making it easier to pass under certain attacks.

Guile
-Balance adjustments centered around the changes made to him from Super to AE.
-The frames in which Guile could be counter-hit after Sonic Boom have been eliminated? (Not 100% sure)
-Air throws 3F startup.
-Spinning backfist 100 damage.
-Can't be thrown out of upside down kick from the 6th frame until the last active frame.

Dhalsim
-Yoga Inferno damage 75 x 2, 60 x 3 for a total of 330 damage.
-EX Yoga Blast damage 90 + 50. First hit gets 20 more damage, second hit 20 less, so if Sim only gets the first hit he gets the better damage.
-C.jab active for 4F. But other frame info unaltered.
-Hurtbox on Yoga Blast reduced.
-Can follow up Yoga Blast with additional moves for combo.

Balrog
-Headbutt damage fixed back to Super, strong 120, Fierce 140, EX 150.
-U2 damage 399.
-Hit properties on Dash Overhead changed so that it can combo into c.strong on all characters.
-Close stand fierce hitbox extended downwards so that it hits crouching characters that it used to whiff on.

Sagat
-Angry Scar Tiger Uppercut damage increased: LP, MP, and EX get +10

Viper

-MP Thunder Knuckle 120 -> 110 damage
-EX Thunder Knuckle startup reduced to 25f, but +2 recovery
-EX Seismo 120 -> 100 damage
-U1 -> 441 damage
-U1 hitbox improved so it's easier to hit fully after air burnkick and HP Thunder Knuckle
-U2 damage increased to 410

Vega
-cr.HK damage increased to 110, same as Super.
-1 more frame of stun on the opponent after cosmic heel, making it -3 at worst.
-Sky High Claw causes blowback when it hits a grounded opponent (same words as the blanka ball change)
-U1 hitbox after it hits on the way up increased drastically so that it doesn't unexpectedly miss.
-U2 startup changed to 8f.

Bison
-Scissors stun changed to 100/50 (150 total) on all strengths
-First hit causes 1f extra stun, so if you FADC the first hit you can have +5 advantage at best.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on August 23, 2011, 05:44:12 AM
some of it has already been translated on SRK http://shoryuken.com/2011/08/22/ssf4ae-version-2012-changes-part-1/ (http://shoryuken.com/2011/08/22/ssf4ae-version-2012-changes-part-1/)
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Delta on August 23, 2011, 06:44:24 AM
Buff Juri okthxbai


Seriously i hope he drops that "unbalance on purpose" BS.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: solidshark on August 23, 2011, 07:17:53 AM
Like some of the SRK members, I'm not getting the C. Viper nerfs; it'd be sad if her semi-final victories and almost grand finals victory was why it happened. I'm just waiting for that Yun/Yang update like everyone else; I want to see how many people might be willing (or say they will) to drop the game if the # of nerfs aren't double to the # of buffs Yun/Yang get.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on August 23, 2011, 07:26:11 AM
As a Vega player I am quite pleased with his buffs as sky high claw has a ridiculous amount of recovery that makes it super unsafe (so much so that in certain situations it could be punished even after hitting) as for ultra 1 it was stupid how previously you could predict your opponents jump but have it miss because of how high up it hit your opponent also it seems like it will no longer whiff when you do it in the corner. Also cosmic heel being safer is obviously helpful and cr. HK damage is still good would have prefered it to be either safer or faster movement but it's still good to get a buff anyways. So altogether I am happy with his changes and I look forward to seeing everyone elses changes. As a side note Idon't det why all the Viper players are so mad like it's just a few small damage nerfs and a couple frames of recovery on EX thunder knuckle and it's also not like she didn't get any buffs.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: DarKaoZ on August 23, 2011, 08:07:49 AM
I'm surprised they gave Guile his 3F Air Grab and Honda LP Headbutt invisibility back to those 2.

I will have to wait what they do to Gouken and Makoto, hopefully Gouken gets buff and gets his Demon Flip Dive Kick overhead property back. Not having it kills the mix-up badly. =/

Makoto is fine as she is now.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: LouisCipher on August 23, 2011, 08:28:46 AM
I'm not surprised. I think the consensus was this: Nerf God Tiers, buff low tiers, reverse a few changes. That's it. Why fuck with Viper? Why nerf any character that no one brought up any issues? Why change every character?

It's just dumb.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Cibernetico on August 24, 2011, 06:04:46 AM
Because they can't just nerf Yun and Yang and expect people to be happy about it.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on August 25, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
All character changes have now been translated as the location tests start tommorow http://shoryuken.com/2011/08/25/super-street-fighter-4-arcade-edition-version-2012-change-list-all-characters/ (http://shoryuken.com/2011/08/25/super-street-fighter-4-arcade-edition-version-2012-change-list-all-characters/)
cross counter asia just posted a video explaining a lot of the new balance changes
Cross Counter Asia Episode #03 - AE ver. 2012 Rebalance Analysis and Godsgarden Recap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQQmicWAamg#ws)
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Zabel on August 26, 2011, 03:56:08 AM
Man fuck those Yang and Yun nerfs, don't even play either character and I even think most of those were unwarranted. And hell yeah, just started playing Cody five days ago and that ***** got buffed.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: DJMirror949 on August 31, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
Yeah Cody got buffed for sure


*watch Cody flex*
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: The Fluke on September 02, 2011, 12:25:54 AM
Chun-li
-They are fixing the bug where characters fell out of the U1 juggle in AE.

I bet this means there was a new bug in ae that they will fix but still disregard the fact that the ultra hasn't worked as it should against half the cast since the games first release.. I hope they finally do fix it though, that way i could just say good bye to kikosho like i've wanted to for so long now.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on September 21, 2011, 08:45:39 PM
apparently they're not done with the changes yet
http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/9/20/ssf4ae-capcom-lists-latest-balance-changes-for-ver-2012-beta.html (http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/9/20/ssf4ae-capcom-lists-latest-balance-changes-for-ver-2012-beta.html)

Vega
[Bloody High Claw]: Hit properties have been adjusted. For example, the Ultra will now combo properly after a [Cosmic Heel] (df+HK).
[EX Sky High Claw]: Hit box has been enlarged downwards, making it easier to connect the whole thing.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees ultra 1 has gone from being pretty limited in use to being one of the best ultras and EX Sky High Claw is now a more useful option sinc eit should get full hits more often.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: DarKaoZ on September 21, 2011, 11:54:46 PM
I'm happy with the extra Gouken changes, but I hate the fact that they still haven't gave him his Demon Flip Overhead! He needs that shit to be competitive more competitive. =/
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: MUSOLINI on September 24, 2011, 04:38:46 PM
Buff Juri okthxbai


Seriously i hope he drops that "unbalance on purpose" BS.

because high tier characters need buffs? gtfo. bitch needs to get nerfed or the other ower tiers need to get buffed.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on September 25, 2011, 06:22:08 AM
brief analysis for the changes made to Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, E Honda and Blanka                                                                                                                                 Cross Counter Asia Ep. #06 - 2012 AE changes part 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR5KHu_UUOI#ws)
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: The Fluke on September 25, 2011, 06:22:44 AM
because high tier characters need buffs? gtfo. bitch needs to get nerfed or the other ower tiers need to get buffed.

I've come across one pretty good juri player online and she seems very capable in the hands of a skilled player but i can't really find any tierlist declaring her anything but low-mid. I'd actually want to see one, not only for her but because i want to see if there are different views on the rest of the cast aswell.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on September 25, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
analysis of the remaining character changes
Cross Counter Asia Ep. #06 - 2012 AE changes part 2/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNazl21Xt_Y#ws)
Cross Counter Asia Ep. #06 - 2012 AE changes part 3/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tYav0HScg#ws)
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on December 02, 2011, 01:40:18 AM
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition: Version 2012 trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjLalmAHK-o#ws)

Apology Edition trailer, wouldn't have cared except for the Yun troll at the end lol.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: BiGGDaddyCane on December 02, 2011, 03:36:02 AM
Still pissed Evil Ryu has Ken's EX fireball.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: solidshark on December 03, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
Anyone wanna bet whether this is the last SF4 version we'll ever see?

I'm thinking maybe not.

Speaking of the actual changes, I hope they make enough difference for Gouken. Sort of liked what they did with Juri.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: baccano1932 on December 03, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
Anyone wanna bet whether this is the last SF4 version we'll ever see?

I think unless SFXTekken underperforms this probably will be it for SF 4 given that a lot of the player base will probably shift over to it from SF4.

Also there are now reports that the change lists were not complete as apparently Dictator has some unreported nerfs. http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/03/hidden-changes-in-ae-2012/ (http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/03/hidden-changes-in-ae-2012/)
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: LouisCipher on December 03, 2011, 11:26:16 PM
Does anyone really care about SF4 anymore? It just looks Capcom is keeping the game on life support now. sometimes you just have to walk away from something. But of course it'll be at Evo for at least one more year unfortunately.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on December 06, 2011, 12:02:09 AM
Does anyone really care about SF4 anymore? It just looks Capcom is keeping the game on life support now. sometimes you just have to walk away from something. But of course it'll be at Evo for at least one more year unfortunately.

Tbh, I wasn't sure...but AE was fucking dead at NEC, except for the sidebets on the first hit and shit in top 8.  Like it still had the most people entering...but it was lacking emotionally really.  Idk if it's the fact that 2012 is soon or that people just don't like AE before, it's probably both tbqh.

Capcom's probably just keeping it on cheap life support until SFxT comes out, then it will finally die...though the irony is that if it came down to 2012 vs. SFxT for a spot at Evo, at this moment in time 2012 has a better shot at getting in, which is honestly a good thing.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: IceWater on December 06, 2011, 03:44:53 AM
SFxT feels more like a sideshow game like mvc3 to me, so I can still see sf4 being the main game for a little while longer at least. Personally I've been sick of sf4 since super came out even though it was the game that got me into the genre. Makes me wonder how many top players actually get enjoyment out of playing this since I imagine most of them are just in it right now for the cash.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: sibarraz on December 07, 2011, 04:56:20 AM
mmm, I want to play now SSF IV, I think that I will start picking juri, I hope that here she will be a bit better than in previous incarnations, sadly she doesn't seem to be that used
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: solidshark on December 07, 2011, 05:45:38 AM
mmm, I want to play now SSF IV, I think that I will start picking juri, I hope that here she will be a bit better than in previous incarnations, sadly she doesn't seem to be that used

Juri feels like the best new charater Capcom has made in a long time. Feels like she's SF's Kensou from XIII. The mix-up, mobility, speed; I was surprised she wasn't used more, but I guess that's a good thing as I surprise so many shoto players with her.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on December 07, 2011, 05:55:43 AM
Ugh, don't get me started on Juri, pain in the ass to face...not to mention, Mike Infinite's Juri knocked me into losers.
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: PureYeti on May 03, 2012, 06:53:57 AM
http://www.twitch.tv/shadowloohq (http://www.twitch.tv/shadowloohq) If you want to see Dakou playing SFIV at Shadowloo Shodown
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: marchefelix on December 02, 2013, 11:06:16 PM
So I see Ultra Street Fighter IV has no one here hyped (I didn't want to make another thread just for it)...

Well, I can't say that isn't understandable....



[spoiler]Alex for 5th character![/spoiler]
Title: Re: SSF4 AE 2012 Ver. AKA Ono Trolling
Post by: marchefelix on March 17, 2014, 05:14:58 AM
All the barely-existent hype is dead.

5th character.

Ultra Street Fighter IV Decapre Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC-Hl33Xqpk#ws)