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King of Fighters XIII => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kirah on October 28, 2011, 03:19:00 AM

Title: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kirah on October 28, 2011, 03:19:00 AM
UPDATE: I have merged the request thread with the Frame Data thread jump down to this post -Kane317: http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.msg47298#msg47298 (http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.msg47298#msg47298)

ANOTHER UPDATE Signed by R compiled keykakko's Frame Data table into a google spreadsheet which has a majority of the cast: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AsrvpuirdQzwdGM0UDlRcGozMkJBQVZES0F4Zmw1MGc&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AsrvpuirdQzwdGM0UDlRcGozMkJBQVZES0F4Zmw1MGc&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0) - Desmond Delaghetto

I have a question more of a request or maybe more of a prayer. I firmly believe that frame data for each char in KOFXIII should be put in the respective character discussion threads. As a person who uses frame data to plot strategically the validity of normals and specials this can greatly improve strategy through out the entire community. I know this request maybe a bit heavy , but in short words it'll be god-like. XD
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: darkTown2 on October 28, 2011, 03:31:44 AM
isn't there frame data in the wiki?
if not wouldn't that be the best place to put it, since you probably would look there first?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: Delta on October 28, 2011, 04:38:01 AM
I could be wrong, but i think that info usually comes from Guides and game mooks, and there was nothing like that in the (arcade) KOF XIII guide used to make the wiki.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: BioBooster on October 28, 2011, 06:23:27 AM
Yeah the KOF XIII  Master Guide has no frame data in it and would be irrelevant vs console as a lot of moves have been changed. If memory serves me, I think some of the mooks for previous KOFs may have had this data but am a little doubtful (I remember there being tables for each chr on black and white pages with damage, and maybe frames along with that). It would be quite a project to capture and document total frames, invincibility frames, adv/disadv frames, hitbox frames and when these all start/stop for each move.

I do agree that such data would be good for strategy, but realistically that may boil down to folks making general comments on each move after studying them in practice mode against certain dummy settings or something :|
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: Kirah on October 28, 2011, 06:27:58 AM
Well if I can some how help with that then I'd definitely be willing to participate and contribute. Because framedata in my opinion is quintessential for advanced strategies.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: BioBooster on October 28, 2011, 07:05:46 AM
Yeah, I'd probably help with that too. Let's see how fit for doing something like that is with practice mode. I'm hoping for lots of meta-data on HUD as an option, but we'll see.

I'm thinking while not as necessary as in VF/TK series where knowing frames is everything, it would be awesome if we could get a consensus on best punish responses and safe strings. At the very least, we'd want the fastest normals for each character. 

Still a bit daunted by the task though, but hopefully we'll see or find something useful for the wikis.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: Kirah on October 28, 2011, 07:16:48 AM
Yeah, i'm still lost on things to punish in this game so I can't seize opportunities to properly damage.
Title: Frame Data
Post by: LazieFreddy on February 24, 2012, 07:56:45 AM
Not sure if this has been posted before, but this site has a partial list of frame data.  It's in japanese, but I presume google translate will help you understand most of it.  If not, feel free to leave a note and I'll see if I can translate it.

http://keykakko.wordpress.com/ (http://keykakko.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: desmond_kof on February 24, 2012, 08:37:56 AM
Nice find. So far I see lists for Yuri, K', Vice, Takuma, Shen, Joe, Normal Kyo, Benimaru, Iori, Kula and DouLon. If you and anyone else can translate this stuff, we can add to the wiki asap. Thanks.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata Request
Post by: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 09:16:02 AM
Yo Kirah, we're finally able to circle back to where we left off ;)

http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.msg47298#msg47298 (http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.msg47298#msg47298)
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
I'll take this on.  Awesome find Lazie.

This should be straight forward to bang out in terms of the tables that are there.

I have the most time for it this coming sat/sun night.

Des, you want the same format? I think that would work. Lemme know where it should sit relative to everything else.
(very bottom I would think, before the credits and so on)

Also the post is from Dec and hasn't been added to probably due to the rigors of doing it.
Do we have a continuation plan?

I also know that Ky0 is solid in Japanese, think he can help if we need extra hands. Point is, information is from Dec, doesn't have to be today for us, but should be well within a week otherwise it's going to drag and we'll get distracted with other stuff.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: desmond_kof on February 24, 2012, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 09:24:05 AM

Des, you want the same format? I think that would work. Lemme know where it should sit relative to everything else.
(very bottom I would think, before the credits and so on)



I think under the videos and above the references will do. Try it out and show it to me if you could.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
Running Wiki List:
1) Beni done
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 07:14:29 PM
man...Iori's sweep is -22 on block?  gross
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on February 24, 2012, 07:15:53 PM
That's why you only use it if you feel like committing suicide that day.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 07:17:43 PM
If they only had Joe's EX screw upper, that's like -2 million
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
no way dude its all about eating giant combos in return for trying to get 80 damage and a soft knockdown
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
ok, so quick question...I have figured out the obvious things.  first column is the move in question, second is damage, fourth is startup and 5th is frames on block.  I guess 6th column is special notes or whatever, but what is the 3rd column?  recovery? active frames?  I put it into google translate and got "The tan"
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Kane317 on February 24, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
^ stun
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: Kane317 on February 24, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
^ stun

So I guess it must be frames of hitstun?  Makes sense...thanks Kane
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 24, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
So, anything that we can do to help. I'd like to do as much as I can :-D

Also, is there any consensus on some of these frame data values? I can imagine we can take it and believe it, but does anyone feel any doubts about it?
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
I haven't seen anything that seems glaringly wrong, although I've only actually looked through a few of the characters.  It seems pretty legit
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: sibarraz on February 24, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
'22 frames on entire motion for whiff'' what is the meaning of this?
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: desmond_kof on February 24, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Reiki.Kito on February 24, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
So, anything that we can do to help. I'd like to do as much as I can :-D

Right now BioBooster and I have been entering it into the wiki. He has been translating the kanji, making tables and punching in numbers, while I have been using the tables he has made as templates and entering the normals numbers, and putting in the kanji for the specials for he can finish it up.

Some examples:

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Iori_Yagami_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Iori_Yagami_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Benimaru_Nikaido_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Benimaru_Nikaido_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

So if you wanna help, you can use those tables as templates for the other characters (those two is who we have so far right now) and put in the numbers and put in the kanji for BioBooster to translate when he gets a chance.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 24, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
Normals

NameDmgHitstunStartupRecovery frames
st.A253F4F+2
Far A253F4F+1
d.A253F4F+2
j.A453F8FN/A
hop A4038FN/A
st.B303F5F+1
Far B303F4F+1
d.B303F5F+1
j.B453F4FN/A
hop B403F4FN/A
st.C (1)406F5FN/A
st.C (2)304FN/A-8
Far C707F6F-11
d.C707F10F-9
j.C727F9FN/A
hop C707F8FN/A
st.D707F7F-6
Far D807F8F-10
d.D807F9F-8
j.D707F10FN/A
hop D687F9FN/A
CD7510F14F-6
j.CD908F10FN/A
hop CD808F10FN/A

Command Normals

NameDmgHitstunStartupRecovery frames
One-Inch (Combo'd)604F15F-6
One-Inch (1)7512F22F-2
GCCD40F13F-15

Here are the normals for K'. I'll do the rest after a quick nap.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: sibarraz on February 24, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
'22 frames on entire motion for whiff'' what is the meaning of this?

My guess would be that if you do the move, and it whiffs, it is 22 frames until you can act again.  So the 22 frames is the total for start up, active and recovery frames
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Kane317 on February 24, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: Kane317 on February 24, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
^ stun

So I guess it must be frames of hitstun?  Makes sense...thanks Kane

I believe it's how much it reduces the stun gauge, not the frames of hitstun.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 10:49:46 PM
That actually makes more sense (the points of stun), considering that all the heavy attacks are 7...good point.  Is it possible that the two values are actually the same (so long as the move doesn't knock down)?
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 24, 2012, 11:09:55 PM
Alright, that makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: sibarraz on February 25, 2012, 03:03:17 AM
Quote from: hiltzy85 on February 24, 2012, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: sibarraz on February 24, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
'22 frames on entire motion for whiff'' what is the meaning of this?

My guess would be that if you do the move, and it whiffs, it is 22 frames until you can act again.  So the 22 frames is the total for start up, active and recovery frames

It's that  a bad thing? some friends make it sound like it was some ''wesker kind of broken shit''
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 08:51:19 AM
Shen upped.

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Shen_Woo_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Shen_Woo_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 09:51:30 AM
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Iori_Yagami_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Iori_Yagami_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

Iori upped.

Thanks for the table above Reiki.

Would you be able to put it into this format (for wiki)?

{| style="color:#FFFFFF; background-color:#0066CC;" border="9" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
!Move || Damage || Stun || Startup || On Guard || Remarks

|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A
| 25 || 3 || 4 || +2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.A
| 25 || 3 || 4 || +1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.A
| 25 || 3 || 4 || +2 ||

Then I can just past into wiki and follow up.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Kane317 on February 25, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
Working on Duo Lon, will be done in twenty. UPDATE: Done, I left the remarks untranslated and even though I understand 70% of what it means,  I rather let BioBooster translate it correctly.

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Duo_Lon_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Duo_Lon_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 12:16:12 PM
Brilliant, will do the translations presently.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 12:16:12 PM
Brilliant, will do the translations presently.

Thanks Kane, that made it extremely easy to get done.
Title: Re: Frame Data
Post by: Ky0 on February 25, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: BioBooster on February 24, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
I also know that Ky0 is solid in Japanese, think he can help if we need extra hands.
Hey! Loool !!!  >_<"

iie iie, lol. Watashi ha roukou ja nai !  xD


I think you did a little confusion buddy! My Japanese is very basic... lol


This is great find! Anyway, I'll try to give a hand, when I'll catch a little time ;)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 25, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
Awesome man, that is way solid :D

From what I can tell ur Japanese ain't too shabby ;)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on February 25, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
I just did half of Yuri's. I wonder with some of those moves, what are the extra numbers mean, for example: EX雷煌拳2-3 ...it is a part of the hits of one move?

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 25, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
Okay, done with about half of K' on the wiki.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on February 25, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Doing's Kula's atm

Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on February 25, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
I just did half of Yuri's. I wonder with some of those moves, what are the extra numbers mean, for example: EX雷煌拳2-3 ...it is a part of the hits of one move?

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Those are the various stages of the move. The first hit does more damage while the 2nd and 3rd hit have different base damage values.

EDIT: Done
Code: [Select]
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(1)
| 25 || 5 || 6 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(2)
| 20 || 2 || - || 0 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(3)
| 20 || 1 || - || +2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.A
| 25 || 5 || 5 || -5 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.A
| 25 || 5 || 6 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.A
| 45 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop A
| 40 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || 0 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.B
| 45 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.B
| 40 || 3 || 5 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.C(1)
| 55 || 8 || 4 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.C(2)
| 25 || 4 || - || -10 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.C
| 70 || 7 || 5 || -17 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.C
| 70 || 7 || 14 || -18 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.C
| 72 || 7 || 13 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.C
| 70 || 7 || 13 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.D(1)
| 55 || 8 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.D(2)
| 25 || 4 || - || -9 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.D
| 80 || 7 || 8 || -13 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.D
| 80 || 7 || 10 || -12 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.D
| 70 || 7 || 6 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.D
| 68 || 7 || 6 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.CD
| 75 || 10 || 18 || +4 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.CD
| 90 || 8 || 16 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.CD
| 80 || 8 || 16 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!One Inch(chained)
| 50 || 4 || 15 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!One Inch
| 70 || 10 || 22 || -3 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Slider Shoot
| 80 || 7 || 8 || -13 || If the slide hits on the 21st frame(max range) the slide is -2 on block
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Ice Coffin
| 101 || 0 || 1 || - || Hardknock down
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!GC CD
| 4 || 0 || 13 || -15 || Start up on light attacks:13F, on heavy and jump ins attacks: 17F
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!A Diamond Breath
| 60 || 6 || 19 || 0 || +7 on block if done meaty
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Diamond Breath
| 70 || 8 || 33 || +3 || +11 on block if done meaty
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Breath
| 120 || 0 || 16 || +7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!A Crow Bites
| 70 || 4 || 6 || -31 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Crow Bites (1)
| 70 || 6 || 4 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Crow Bites (2)
| 60 || 4 || - || -48 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (1)
| 100 || 0 || 3  || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (2)
| 60 || 0 || -  || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (3)
| 40 || 0 || -  || -48 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!B Ray Spin
| 30 || 4 || 15 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!D Ray Spin (1)
| 30 || 4 || 17 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!D Ray Spin (2)
| 30 || 6 || 15 || -3 || -1 if blocked while crouching
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Stand (1)
| 20 || 4 || 10 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Stand (2)
| 30 || 4 || - || -1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Sit
| 30 || 4 || 7 || -14 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Ray Spin (1)
| 60 || 0 || 12 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Ray Spin (2)
| 60 || 0 || - || +1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Stand (1)
| 45 || 0 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Stand (2)
| 80 || 0 || - || -1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Sit
| 50 || 0 || 6 || -8 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Counter Shell (Slap)
| 45 || 10 || 5 || -11 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Counter Shell (Projectile)
| 80 || 12 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Slap)
| 80 || 0 || 3 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Projectile) (1)
| 50 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Projectile) (2,3)
| 50 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Diamond Edge
| 210 || 0 || 45(16) || -24 || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Edge (1)
| 80 || 0 || 36(7) || - || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Edge (2-4)
| 80 || 0 || - || -37 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Freeze Execution (1)
| 100 || 0 || 40(11) || - || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Freeze Execution (2-13)
| 15 || 0 || - || -62 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (1)
| 100 || 0 || 35(6) || -48 || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (2,3)
| 70 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (4-15)
| 15 || 0 || - || - ||
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on February 25, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
Quote from: No Limitz on February 25, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Doing's Kula's atm
Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on February 25, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
I just did half of Yuri's. I wonder with some of those moves, what are the extra numbers mean, for example: EX雷煌拳2-3 ...it is a part of the hits of one move?

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Those are the various stages of the move. The first hit does more damage while the 2nd and 3rd hit have different base damage values.


Cool thanks.

Also, I've been thinking, but should each character have their own individual frame data wiki page then having another page link to all of those? Then we can just use one link in their wiki's to use up less space? Kinda like this: http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Arcana_Heart_3/Frame_Data (http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Arcana_Heart_3/Frame_Data)

I do also think in those frame tables we should have the move motions/notations with the name just in-case people (like myself) don't remember the actual move names. Anyone agree? Disagree?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on February 25, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
I personally like Dustloop's wiki style (http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ragna_the_Bloodedge_%28BBCSE%29). The main page for the character is actually longer but I like how each move has its own little write up with all their properties and frame data, along with the sprite/hitbox next to it.
Then they have a separate page with all the frame data on a big chart.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 25, 2012, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: No Limitz on February 25, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Doing's Kula's atm

Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on February 25, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
I just did half of Yuri's. I wonder with some of those moves, what are the extra numbers mean, for example: EX雷煌拳2-3 ...it is a part of the hits of one move?

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Those are the various stages of the move. The first hit does more damage while the 2nd and 3rd hit have different base damage values.

EDIT: Done
Code: [Select]
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(1)
| 25 || 5 || 6 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(2)
| 20 || 2 || - || 0 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.A(3)
| 20 || 1 || - || +2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.A
| 25 || 5 || 5 || -5 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.A
| 25 || 5 || 6 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.A
| 45 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop A
| 40 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || 0 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.B
| 30 || 3 || 4 || -2 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.B
| 45 || 3 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.B
| 40 || 3 || 5 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.C(1)
| 55 || 8 || 4 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.C(2)
| 25 || 4 || - || -10 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.C
| 70 || 7 || 5 || -17 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.C
| 70 || 7 || 14 || -18 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.C
| 72 || 7 || 13 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.C
| 70 || 7 || 13 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.D(1)
| 55 || 8 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cl.D(2)
| 25 || 4 || - || -9 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!cr.D
| 80 || 7 || 8 || -13 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.D
| 80 || 7 || 10 || -12 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.D
| 70 || 7 || 6 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.D
| 68 || 7 || 6 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!st.CD
| 75 || 10 || 18 || +4 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!j.CD
| 90 || 8 || 16 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!hop.CD
| 80 || 8 || 16 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!One Inch(chained)
| 50 || 4 || 15 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!One Inch
| 70 || 10 || 22 || -3 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Slider Shoot
| 80 || 7 || 8 || -13 || If the slide hits on the 21st frame(max range) the slide is -2 on block
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Ice Coffin
| 101 || 0 || 1 || - || Hardknock down
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!GC CD
| 4 || 0 || 13 || -15 || Start up on light attacks:13F, on heavy and jump ins attacks: 17F
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!A Diamond Breath
| 60 || 6 || 19 || 0 || +7 on block if done meaty
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Diamond Breath
| 70 || 8 || 33 || +3 || +11 on block if done meaty
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Breath
| 120 || 0 || 16 || +7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!A Crow Bites
| 70 || 4 || 6 || -31 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Crow Bites (1)
| 70 || 6 || 4 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!C Crow Bites (2)
| 60 || 4 || - || -48 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (1)
| 100 || 0 || 3  || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (2)
| 60 || 0 || -  || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Crow Bites (3)
| 40 || 0 || -  || -48 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!B Ray Spin
| 30 || 4 || 15 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!D Ray Spin (1)
| 30 || 4 || 17 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!D Ray Spin (2)
| 30 || 6 || 15 || -3 || -1 if blocked while crouching
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Stand (1)
| 20 || 4 || 10 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Stand (2)
| 30 || 4 || - || -1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→Sit
| 30 || 4 || 7 || -14 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Ray Spin (1)
| 60 || 0 || 12 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Ray Spin (2)
| 60 || 0 || - || +1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Stand (1)
| 45 || 0 || 7 || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Stand (2)
| 80 || 0 || - || -1 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!→EX Sit
| 50 || 0 || 6 || -8 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Counter Shell (Slap)
| 45 || 10 || 5 || -11 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Counter Shell (Projectile)
| 80 || 12 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Slap)
| 80 || 0 || 3 || -7 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Projectile) (1)
| 50 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Counter Shell (Projectile) (2,3)
| 50 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Diamond Edge
| 210 || 0 || 45(16) || -24 || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Edge (1)
| 80 || 0 || 36(7) || - || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!EX Diamond Edge (2-4)
| 80 || 0 || - || -37 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Freeze Execution (1)
| 100 || 0 || 40(11) || - || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Freeze Execution (2-13)
| 15 || 0 || - || -62 ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (1)
| 100 || 0 || 35(6) || -48 || 29 super freeze frames
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (2,3)
| 70 || 0 || - || - ||
|- style="color:#003366; background-color:#99CCFF;" align="left"
!Neo Freeze Execution (4-15)
| 15 || 0 || - || - ||

Posted it

EDIT: K' is posted on the wiki as well.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 27, 2012, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on February 25, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
I just did half of Yuri's. I wonder with some of those moves, what are the extra numbers mean, for example: EX雷煌拳2-3 ...it is a part of the hits of one move?

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Yuri_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

That is hits 2-3, thx
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 27, 2012, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Reiki.Kito on February 25, 2012, 11:05:34 PM

EDIT: K' is posted on the wiki as well.

You are the man, insanely helpful when you guys do this. I'll get on it.


Re: Style - the dustloop stuff would be great if we had the resources (or if our current wiki team can get inspired enough to pull it off). Definitely looks good. It does assume that we have a complete set of frame stuff for all the chrs to match it as is. This shouldn't stop us from keeping that sort of layout in mind.

Re: Separate pages - Rather than support separate pages which can be tedious to manage, it'd be a lot better if we had collapsible sections for the large lengthy bits. Looking into it, Mediawiki supports jQuery or JS, etc. Trying some out, I don't think we have it installed on our deployment. We'd all be able to use it pretty easily. The latter can be used in the same table format we've been working with recently for example (apparently we don't have jQuery installed either)>

{| class="wikitable collapsible"
! K' moves and stuff
|-
| Here are the moves that would be hidden if we had this feature turned on
|}

Is this something nilcam can look into? Would make a big difference.

Re: special cmds in table - At first I thought this would make tables too dense, until I saw that Kane had done it in his duo lon table. Looks good, lets add these next to the move name - another problem I saw was that the move name translations for the images at the very top must've been very early translations, bc many don't match what the English should be. This will help clear up the confusion.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 27, 2012, 09:29:21 AM
K' translated, Yuri translated, numbers added
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: hiltzy85 on February 27, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
I think there are a couple errors in the Iori frame data table...The original japanese website had dp+C listed at 14 frames start up (which I believe is correct, it is much slower than dp+A), and the table has it listed at 4.  Also, there are no frames on block listed for shougetsu+A in the table, whereas the japanese site has the second hit at -8
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on February 27, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: hiltzy85 on February 27, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
I think there are a couple errors in the Iori frame data table...The original japanese website had dp+C listed at 14 frames start up (which I believe is correct, it is much slower than dp+A), and the table has it listed at 4.  Also, there are no frames on block listed for shougetsu+A in the table, whereas the japanese site has the second hit at -8

I helped fixed the typos for Iori; it's correct now.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on February 28, 2012, 12:35:26 AM
Raiden's data is up, he just needs some translating on his specials...all his numbers have been punched in: http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raiden_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raiden_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

Does anyone main Raiden? His wiki might need some cleaning up and updating...lol.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on February 28, 2012, 01:14:26 AM
Don't know anyone who does.  Hell, the only time I ever see Raiden play these days is through MadKoF's vids...and I'm pretty sure Raiden's not his main (unless he's starting to tire of Duo/Shen/Kim).
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 28, 2012, 02:25:23 AM
Ironic bc Raiden is still plenty viable and more enjoyable to use.

Kane thanks for the fixes.

Des, much appreciated - will get to that today.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on February 28, 2012, 02:31:07 AM
I'd use him, but I'm still confused as to how he should be used.  I'm guessing very few Raidens will use his Dropkicks ever again outside of HD combos (only time I see MadKoF charge them is when he's well on his way to an OCV and is trolling).  I'm guessing a plethora of normals, Giant Bombs with and without feints, and Green Mists?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: keykakko on February 28, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
Hello. I am the editor of the Web site below.
http://keykakko.wordpress.com (http://keykakko.wordpress.com)

Than a few days ago, I have been surprised by the enthusiasm of everyone.
To translate Japanese into English is difficult.
English speaking freely :) I also can not

Flame data I have personally examined.
May contain mistakes.
(I think a big mistake there is no Desuga)

To cooperate with the translation, but can not, support has.
KOF good life.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Reiki.Kito on February 28, 2012, 06:47:51 AM
Thank you very much for your hard work!

We really appreciate everything you have done, keep going!

@ Dreamcancel crew: We need to be sure to link the original back to his website. I really feel since we used the data, it should be honored.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 28, 2012, 07:21:13 AM
Quote from: keykakko on February 28, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
Hello. I am the editor of the Web site below.
http://keykakko.wordpress.com (http://keykakko.wordpress.com)

Than a few days ago, I have been surprised by the enthusiasm of everyone.
To translate Japanese into English is difficult.
English speaking freely :) I also can not

Flame data I have personally examined.
May contain mistakes.
(I think a big mistake there is no Desuga)

To cooperate with the translation, but can not, support has.
KOF good life.

keykakko-san,

Thank you very much for all of the detailed frame data you have provided. We at Dream Cancel were extremely excited to find a good source for Console Version KOF XIII data :)　
Are you planning on releasing more data? or maybe there is an opportunity for us to band together and finish the other characters? (will need a little coaching)


(熱狂KOFファンのバイオです

keykakkoさん、色々とフレームに関するデータを見させて頂けて本当にありがとうございます！この用なデータに非常に植えていて勝手ながらこちらののサイトにアップさせて頂きました。フレームの取得方法を教えて頂けると、現在keykakkoさんのサイトでカバーされていないキャラの文を作成すし、データを共有することが可能かもしれませんが、如何でしょうか。また、そちらの方でご作成、ご提供頂けたらこちらのキャラページに是非追加させせて頂きたいと思います。

どうぞ宜しくお願い致します。）

@Reiki, Des, yep we should reference back to the keykakko's original.

Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on February 28, 2012, 02:05:25 PM
I've just translated the Raiden page.

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raiden_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raiden_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

Nice, I see that Des has provided a reference at the bottom to keykakko.



keykakkoさん、キャラページの下の方にリファレンスを記載しています。宜しいでしょうか。
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: keykakko on February 28, 2012, 04:33:58 PM
Hi.BioBooster.

Of course. Please use it.

The frame, shot with 60FPS videos on PC, have been investigating in the frame advance. Is easy.
I will also examine the frame data of other characters. ;)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on February 28, 2012, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: keykakko on February 28, 2012, 04:33:58 PM
Hi.BioBooster.

Of course. Please use it.

The frame, shot with 60FPS videos on PC, have been investigating in the frame advance. Is easy.
I will also examine the frame data of other characters. ;)


That sounds great, thank you very much. And we will fully credit you and link back to your blog as well.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 08, 2012, 11:11:30 PM
I started on Takuma's data, I stopped at his GCCD attack though. I will do more later, but if anyone has time to finish it up, please feel free.

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Takuma_Sakazaki_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Takuma_Sakazaki_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

EDIT: Just needs translation now
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on March 09, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
Saiki's frame data is now up on keykakko's blog if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 10, 2012, 08:24:24 AM
Saiki's specials and supers need translation. Thanks Keykakko! http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Saiki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Saiki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: sibarraz on March 10, 2012, 09:20:21 AM
Will love to see one day Andy and Ryo FrameData
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 10, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
Thanks Des for setting that up, translated.

And thanks keykakko for the new data!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 10, 2012, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: No Limitz on March 09, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
Saiki's frame data is now up on keykakko's blog if anyone's interested.

Appreciate the heads-up man
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on March 14, 2012, 08:51:39 AM
Mr Karate!
http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/覇王翔吼拳を会得せぬもごもごもご出来んわ－！ (http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/覇王翔吼拳を会得せぬもごもごもご出来んわ－！)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on March 15, 2012, 05:18:05 AM
I just realized if you download their excel sheet, several more characters are completed that aren't listed yet (like Chin ^.^).
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 15, 2012, 04:35:41 PM
Mr. Karate's data is up, it just needs translating:

http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mr._Karate_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mr._Karate_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

Thank you, Keykakko!

EDIT: Billy's is up too: http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Billy_Kane_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Billy_Kane_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 17, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
Karate translated
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: sibarraz on March 18, 2012, 02:41:14 AM
Quote from: Kane317 on March 15, 2012, 05:18:05 AM
I just realized if you download their excel sheet, several more characters are completed that aren't listed yet (like Chin ^.^).

Where is the excel? There appear Andy or Ryo?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 19, 2012, 04:00:49 AM
Quote from: BioBooster on March 17, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
Karate translated
If you can get Billy's translated, that would be dope. :)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 19, 2012, 05:59:45 AM
Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on March 19, 2012, 04:00:49 AM
Quote from: BioBooster on March 17, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
Karate translated
If you can get Billy's translated, that would be dope. :)

Cool man, will see if I can hit that tonight. As usual, I added all the pertinent notes at the very bottom to karate's moves. Will do the same for Billy.

Part of me want to hold off on Billy so that solid doesn't crush me online ;)
j/k
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: solidshark on March 19, 2012, 06:05:34 AM
Quote from: BioBooster on March 19, 2012, 05:59:45 AM
Quote from: Desmond Delaghetto on March 19, 2012, 04:00:49 AM
Quote from: BioBooster on March 17, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
Karate translated
If you can get Billy's translated, that would be dope. :)

Cool man, will see if I can hit that tonight. As usual, I added all the pertinent notes at the very bottom to karate's moves. Will do the same for Billy.

Part of me want to hold off on Billy so that solid doesn't crush me online ;)
j/k

It is inevitable, Mr. Anderson.

Matrix j/k.


But I'm gonna really be worried once EX Kyo and Joe will be up.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 19, 2012, 01:57:22 PM
Billy translated *hides in fear*

enjoy!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on March 20, 2012, 05:27:33 PM
Off topic but, the KoF ATWiki also uses a really organized layout:
http://www4.atwiki.jp/kof13consumer/ (http://www4.atwiki.jp/kof13consumer/)

Note: Unfortunately no Frame Data there afaik

Quote from: Kane317 on March 15, 2012, 05:18:05 AM
I just realized if you download their excel sheet, several more characters are completed that aren't listed yet (like Chin ^.^).

Where do you see excel files for frame data?  So far I've only found damage/stun spread sheets.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on March 21, 2012, 08:31:41 AM
Quote from: No Limitz on March 20, 2012, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: Kane317 on March 15, 2012, 05:18:05 AM
I just realized if you download their excel sheet, several more characters are completed that aren't listed yet (like Chin ^.^).

Where do you see excel files for frame data?  So far I've only found damage/stun spread sheets.

Not all the characters have their frame data filled in, but if you scroll down you'll see several characters that haven't been mentioned so far:

http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/kof13-%e3%82%b3%e3%83%b3%e3%83%9c%e3%83%80%e3%83%a1%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8%e8%a8%88%e7%ae%97%e8%a1%a8-verup%ef%bc%81/ (http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/kof13-%e3%82%b3%e3%83%b3%e3%83%9c%e3%83%80%e3%83%a1%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8%e8%a8%88%e7%ae%97%e8%a1%a8-verup%ef%bc%81/)

The file is: 120314_KOF13_dame.xls
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 21, 2012, 04:38:17 PM
I know this has nothing to do with frame data, but I saw someone posted a pretty good image of Dou Lon's jump arcs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/76301188@N03/6998213309/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76301188@N03/6998213309/#)

I hope this guy makes more! Anyone like or not?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on March 21, 2012, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Kane317 on March 21, 2012, 08:31:41 AM
Not all the characters have their frame data filled in, but if you scroll down you'll see several characters that haven't been mentioned so far:

http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/kof13-%e3%82%b3%e3%83%b3%e3%83%9c%e3%83%80%e3%83%a1%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8%e8%a8%88%e7%ae%97%e8%a1%a8-verup%ef%bc%81/ (http://keykakko.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/kof13-%e3%82%b3%e3%83%b3%e3%83%9c%e3%83%80%e3%83%a1%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8%e8%a8%88%e7%ae%97%e8%a1%a8-verup%ef%bc%81/)

The file is: 120314_KOF13_dame.xls


Ah K, I didn't notice the tabs at the bottom of the spread sheet.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 26, 2012, 03:35:46 AM
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Vice_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Vice_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

Vice's data is currently up and awaiting translation. Thanks Keykakko!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: No Limitz on March 27, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
Kim's data's up on Keykakko's site!
Much obliged Keykakko!

Sorry I haven't been helping translating, I've been too preoccupied with other things like school. =(
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on March 27, 2012, 05:43:47 PM
Kim's is up already on his wiki, ready for translating:
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kim_Kaphwan_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kim_Kaphwan_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

Thanks, Keykakko!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 28, 2012, 04:07:51 AM
Quote from: No Limitz on March 27, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
Kim's data's up on Keykakko's site!
Much obliged Keykakko!

Sorry I haven't been helping translating, I've been too preoccupied with other things like school. =(

No problem man, I got this one.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on March 28, 2012, 07:01:15 AM
Kim/Vice translated.

Thanks keykakko!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Ironreaver on April 02, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
find it wierd that kims st. B and far st. B is -6 on guard
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on April 03, 2012, 01:15:06 AM
Yeah guess that's fine since it's usually confirmed into and cancelled out of...unless you're seeing that that looks wrong in training mode. Give us a shout if you think that looks off. Thx
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on April 03, 2012, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: Ironreaver on April 02, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
find it wierd that kims st. B and far st. B is -6 on guard

Hmm, well it looks about right according using the 1 hit-jump function in training mode when I compare it to his equally -6 frame on guard far C, and his lesser frame disadvantage move, f+B which is -4 frames on guard. But I'm not a frame guru, I'm just going off sight.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Bloom of the Wolf on April 12, 2012, 03:33:48 AM
is there any frame data for characters up that has not yet been translated? could someone possibly link me to them if they are actually there? specifically for Mature, Leona, EX Iori, EX Kyo, Ash or Kensou? been hoping to see EX Iori's frame data especially for awhile as I'm 99% sure that even a few of his normals have different advantages than Claw Iori.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on April 27, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: Bloom of the Wolf on April 12, 2012, 03:33:48 AM
is there any frame data for characters up that has not yet been translated? could someone possibly link me to them if they are actually there? specifically for Mature, Leona, EX Iori, EX Kyo, Ash or Kensou? been hoping to see EX Iori's frame data especially for awhile as I'm 99% sure that even a few of his normals have different advantages than Claw Iori.

Here ya go: http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=NESTS_Kyo_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=NESTS_Kyo_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

and Ex Iori's: http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Classic_Iori_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Classic_Iori_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

They just need to be translated by BioBooster and it's a wrap.

Thanks, Keykakko. :)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Bloom of the Wolf on April 27, 2012, 06:33:55 AM
thanks a lot, desmond! EX kyo's frame data is a lot more extreme than I expected. did they really need to make st.a +2? it already hits crouchers.. cr.b being +2 seems a little much too but I won't complain. finally getting the startup for EX iori's A version rekka is a huge deal. now I know why the Korean and Singaporean players liked to use it as a midrange poke. it's as fast ein trigger with more range! A dp is kinda slower to startup than I expected at 6f, thought it'd be more like 4f like his EX dp. And 3f startup for EX ya otome is insane!

can't stress enough how grateful I am. keykakko/kantoku is god.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 02, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
Have been away for a bit just catching up. Hope to get it done in a day or two.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 03, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
EX Kyo up.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 04, 2012, 08:51:38 AM
EX Iori up
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on May 09, 2012, 10:08:40 PM
Keykakko released Hwa Jai's frames on Monday, here it is awaiting translation:

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hwa_Jai_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hwa_Jai_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

And here is Kyo's (FINALLY): http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kyo_Kusanagi_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kyo_Kusanagi_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

Thanks Keykakko.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 10, 2012, 01:23:40 PM
Should have time to do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: solidshark on May 10, 2012, 03:22:44 PM
Thanks Keykakko, and Bio for translating. Looks like it's almost half-way done.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 15, 2012, 02:05:26 AM
Hwa done
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 15, 2012, 01:53:02 PM
Kyo done
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on May 15, 2012, 07:17:48 PM
Thanks BioBooster.

But now we have Daimon's and Ryo Sakazaki's data up and ready for translating...thanks Keykakko!

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Goro_Daimon_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Goro_Daimon_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ryo_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ryo_Sakazaki_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 19, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
Ryo up.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 20, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Goro up
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on May 24, 2012, 03:48:47 AM
Here is Elisabeth's data. Thank you, Keykakko!

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Elisabeth_Branctorche_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Elisabeth_Branctorche_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on May 24, 2012, 04:09:48 AM
Kensou...forever alone.

:'(
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on May 24, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
Liz upped.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on May 24, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Just wanna say much appreciated to everyone who helped.  Who are we missing so far Bio?
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: FataCon on May 25, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
So far, still missing, based on this list (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=KOFXIII_Console_Frame_Data (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=KOFXIII_Console_Frame_Data)):

Ash
Terry
Andy
Joe
Robert
Athena
Kensou
Chin
Mature
Maxima
King
Mai
Ralf
Clark
Leona

*I hit modify instead of quote :p -Desmond
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on May 25, 2012, 12:59:27 AM
That list needs to be updated, off the top of my head Chin's data has been completed awhile ago.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on July 03, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Leona_Heidern_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Leona_Heidern_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

Here is Leona's awaiting translation from BioBooster. Thanks Keykakko!
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: keykakko on July 04, 2012, 03:20:10 AM
d.B, On Guard, -2 → +2

It was my mistake．  ;)

＞ Saitsuofleaves
I have also updated Kensou.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on July 04, 2012, 03:30:50 AM
Quote from: keykakko on July 04, 2012, 03:20:10 AM
d.B, On Guard, -2 → +2

It was my mistake．  ;)

＞ Saitsuofleaves
I have also updated Kensou.

Thank you Keykkako for all your hard work and I fixed the mistake.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on July 04, 2012, 03:40:48 AM
KENSOU...I have tears of joy.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on July 04, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Kensou's is up and waiting translation...Thanks Keykakko for your hard work!

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sie_Kensou_(XIII)#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sie_Kensou_(XIII)#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on July 12, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
Leona has been translated.

@keykakko, thank you very much as always!

I faithfully translated アップルジュース into 'Apple Juice' for her throw - ahhaha

Sounds like that to me too.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: solidshark on July 12, 2012, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: BioBooster on July 12, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
I faithfully translated アップルジュース into 'Apple Juice' for her throw - ahhaha

Sounds like that to me too.

Need to let the US players and commentators know about it, just to see if they'll go nuts every time she throws someone.

Maybe I'm crazy thinking Hellpockets or someone will be saying "Apple Juice!"
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: LouisCipher on July 13, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
ETA on Clark framedata? I'll give you a hug as a reward.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on July 14, 2012, 12:33:51 PM
Sure Hellpockets would be the one to say it too.

Kensou done.

Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: LouisCipher on July 14, 2012, 07:14:11 PM
I give good hugs though.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: LazieFreddy on July 23, 2012, 05:49:44 AM
This is not related to frame data, but I thought I'd leave it here and let you guys decide whether to put it on the wiki.

Guard Crush data:-

Normal moves:
http://www20.atpages.jp/shinnogo/kof13/guardcrush.html (http://www20.atpages.jp/shinnogo/kof13/guardcrush.html)

Special moves:
http://www20.atpages.jp/shinnogo/kof13/gcsp.html (http://www20.atpages.jp/shinnogo/kof13/gcsp.html)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Tikok on July 23, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
This is some nice stuff, it would be great if it gets translated.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Kane317 on July 23, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
Good stuff LazieFreddie, I bookmarked it and it gave some ideas for my characters :)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: LouisCipher on September 17, 2012, 04:57:51 AM
ETA on Clark Framedata?

Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on October 08, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
keykakko thank you!

Ash up:
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ash_Crimson_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ash_Crimson_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: BioBooster on October 23, 2012, 12:56:31 PM
Thank you again!

http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Athena_Asamiya_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata (http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Athena_Asamiya_%28XIII%29#Move_Metadata)

Athena up
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: Tikok on October 23, 2012, 02:56:37 PM
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII/Athena#Frame_Data (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII/Athena#Frame_Data)

We already had a more complete frame data for Athena that lists startup, active, recovery and advantage on hit frames for all her moves~

Also, there are quite a few mistakes in the frame data you just posted.
"Shining Crystal Bit 34(5)"  Shining Crystal Bit is a 3f DM. Not a 5f one.
Athena's regular throw isn't a hard knockdown. Just that no one is going to recovery roll it if they failed to throw break.
I also doubt that EX Reflector's reflect startup is faster than regular one, from all my tests, it wasn't the case, but I don't have a solid enough proof.
Title: Re: KOFXIII Framedata
Post by: desmond_kof on February 28, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
Hey everyone I updated the first post with the google spreadsheet link of the compiled frame data.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AsrvpuirdQzwdGM0UDlRcGozMkJBQVZES0F4Zmw1MGc&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0