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King of Fighters XIII => General Discussion => Topic started by: zeech on July 10, 2012, 08:19:27 PM

Title: 10+ year game?
Post by: zeech on July 10, 2012, 08:19:27 PM
Ok, so it seems like KOF13 is doing pretty well.  The cast balance seems to be pretty good, and nothing terribly broken has been found.  In the face of lackluster competition, the popularity of this game is increasing steadily.

Do we think that this could be a 10+ year game, like ST, KOF98, 3S, KOF02, MvC2, etc?

Let me put it a different way.  Let's say SNKP faced a major crossroads and decided to choose between 1 of 2 strategies:

- Business as usual.  KOF14 coming soon.  New characters, new system, new balance. Pot luck whether it's better or worse.

- Let's pretend to be Blizzard.  Support KOF13 with very careful balance tweaks, bug fixes, feature updates, improved netcode, and other non-gameplay improvements, for the next 10 years.  Pay for it with cosmetic DLC if games sales & Climax arcade revenue isnt enough.  Port it to PC, OnLive, Wii U, and any other system it can run on.  Polish the game to perfection and spread it far and wide.


Which route would you prefer they take?
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on July 10, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
No, it can't be a 10+ year game because there will never be one again, just do to how things have changed within the community and the industry.

Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Dandy J on July 10, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
no
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: nightmoves on July 10, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
I'm going to have to say no. Things in the FGC have changed far too much for any recent FG to have that much lasting appeal. Even SF4 and MvC3 will eventually fade away once the next big thing comes, so even with how great a game it is, XIII will not last that long.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: baccano1932 on July 10, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Seems pretty impractical nowadays with the variety of games available and given how often people change games, picking up new ones and dropping old ones, it really seems like if it were to happen it would be a very small core group of players but outside of that I really don't think there would be much of anything.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Hungry Color on July 10, 2012, 11:14:06 PM
It can happen, but it can't be forced by SNK.

It needs to be cultivated by the players.

SNK could make another Samurai Showdown or Fatal Fury, then they could bounce off of each other's awesomeness for quite awhile.

If not that, then they should do something more with Metal Slug other than portable games.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: JennyCage on July 11, 2012, 03:10:33 AM
Things like that really depend on the quality of the game and the experience it delivers.  As long as XIII delivers something that other fighting games don't, there will be people playing it, just like there are still people playing 98 and 02.  KOF fans will play it for a long time and its popularity might increase as older KOF players migrate to it.

I still hope there will be a UM version with 20 more characters and a better online.  If that comes out (or XIV, assuming it's just as good), then a lot of people will move on to that.  But if SNKP disappeared tomorrow, I think people would still play XIII for years.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Hungry Color on July 11, 2012, 03:51:39 AM
Things like that really depend on the quality of the game and the experience it delivers.  As long as XIII delivers something that other fighting games don't, there will be people playing it, just like there are still people playing 98 and 02.  KOF fans will play it for a long time and its popularity might increase as older KOF players migrate to it.

I still hope there will be a UM version with 20 more characters and a better online.  If that comes out (or XIV, assuming it's just as good), then a lot of people will move on to that.  But if SNKP disappeared tomorrow, I think people would still play XIII for years.

This.

People still play Turbo and the game almost 20 years old for god's sake.
The game will be safe for future generations, I'm sure.  ;)

Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Mr Bakaboy on July 11, 2012, 04:03:56 AM
I think most of it involves around what the next game will be like. The thing about all the games listed as 10+ games were each game was the apex of that style of fighting game. There wasn't anything better then it afterwards, or future games went in a new direction in some way.

If Playmore's new style, that is only 2 games old, peaks with KOF XIII then XIII will be the 10+ game we all end up playing.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: LouisCipher on July 11, 2012, 05:14:35 AM
Does it have the makings of a classic fighter that will be consistently played for 10 years? Yes I think so. It's still young and being explored and people are still having fun with it.

Will it be a tournament standard for that long? Probably not just because there's many fighters coming out, but if for the next 10 years every new fighter is too niche or underperforms and the publisher can't buy it's way to tournaments than it has a decent chance.

SF4 is still popular but it's becoming less so among the die hards as people start to figure it out and people get tired of it's playstyle. Marvel might become passe' in the next few years once everything about it is figured out.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Hungry Color on July 11, 2012, 05:21:57 AM
Does it have the makings of a classic fighter that will be consistently played for 10 years? Yes I think so. It's still young and being explored and people are still having fun with it.

Will it be a tournament standard for that long? Probably not just because there's many fighters coming out, but if for the next 10 years every new fighter is too niche or underperforms and the publisher can't buy it's way to tournaments than it has a decent chance.

SF4 is still popular but it's becoming less so among the die hards as people start to figure it out and people get tired of it's playstyle. Marvel might become passe' in the next few years once everything about it is figured out.

The thing with Marvel 3 is, it's going to be dissected by the same people that played Marvel 2, and that is another 10 year game.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: solidshark on July 11, 2012, 05:40:11 AM
I prefer to have KOFXIV and more. I'd rather not play XIII 10+ years because SNK stopped making more fighters. Like all the older KOFs, I'd still come back to XIII sometimes after newer fighters come along. Better to have options. Other ports are fine, but that's the extent I'd take your other option.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: LouisCipher on July 11, 2012, 07:03:39 AM
I honestly think Marvel 3 is going to be figured out in the span of a year or 2. And when the players figure out how to consistently do TAC infinites against other people is where it's going to get interesting.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: diztron on July 11, 2012, 11:05:52 AM
i wish the netcode was better tho cuase i can rarely get good games and with no scene i love playing it on arcade but get predictable after a while its up to the players if its a ten years plus game
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: zeech on July 11, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Well, I guess one thing we havent talked about is SNK - we're mostly talking about how players will react.

If we look at KOF98 > KOF02 > KOF13 as games that have lasting potential, effectively SNK is wasting resources on around 2-3 games each time before getting things right.  (and each of these games are fairly true to the basic KOF style, unlike those that have strikers or tagging or whatever.)

Why not spend those resources improving these core games themselves, rather than experimental sequels that noone ended up liking?  As people say, there's already a glut of FGs being released. 

Would the KOF franchise be better off if SNK continually improved the features of KOF13, ported to more systems, etc, generally keeping it on people's radar?  After all, SNK (and japan in general) are pretty far behind in terms of technology.  I would like to see much more effort made on netcode, lobbies, replays, multiplayer features, offline tournaments, etc.

Or can KOF only grow and grab people's attention with more (possibly inferior) sequels?

(You can tell I don't trust SNK to consistently make great games - they seem to happen by accident mostly.)
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: Saitsuofleaves on July 11, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
If you're afraid to do a sequel just because it might be inferior then you have no business in the VG industry.  Real Talk.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: The Fluke on July 11, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
(1)Why not spend those resources improving these core games themselves, rather than experimental sequels that noone ended up liking?  As people say, there's already a glut of FGs being released. 

(2)Would the KOF franchise be better off if SNK continually improved the features of KOF13, ported to more systems, etc, generally keeping it on people's radar?  After all, SNK (and japan in general) are pretty far behind in terms of technology.  I would like to see much more effort made on netcode, lobbies, replays, multiplayer features, offline tournaments, etc.

(3)(You can tell I don't trust SNK to consistently make great games - they seem to happen by accident mostly.)

1. You have to experiment to come up with new stuff, would you prefer if fighting games grew to fame and lost it all during sf2? Not even ssf2t?

2. Japan behind on technology? The problem with the netcode as it seems, stems from japan being ahead on that front.

3. Who does consistently make great games?
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: the7k on July 13, 2012, 07:20:04 AM
Well, I guess one thing we havent talked about is SNK - we're mostly talking about how players will react.

If we look at KOF98 > KOF02 > KOF13 as games that have lasting potential, effectively SNK is wasting resources on around 2-3 games each time before getting things right.  (and each of these games are fairly true to the basic KOF style, unlike those that have strikers or tagging or whatever.)

Why not spend those resources improving these core games themselves, rather than experimental sequels that noone ended up liking?  As people say, there's already a glut of FGs being released. 

Would the KOF franchise be better off if SNK continually improved the features of KOF13, ported to more systems, etc, generally keeping it on people's radar?  After all, SNK (and japan in general) are pretty far behind in terms of technology.  I would like to see much more effort made on netcode, lobbies, replays, multiplayer features, offline tournaments, etc.

Or can KOF only grow and grab people's attention with more (possibly inferior) sequels?

(You can tell I don't trust SNK to consistently make great games - they seem to happen by accident mostly.)
While 98, 02 and XIII are currently considered the best entries, that's not to say that the next entry will be worse - and that's not to say that all the other entries were failures. The only ones I'd consider failures are 2001 and XII. I still have a lot of fun playing 96, 97, 2000 and especially XI (I honestly prefer XI over Vanilla 02 by a country mile).

What if XIII ends up being to 97 what XIV is to 98? When 97 came out, that was easily the best at the time - thank God they didn't decide to just end it right there and not come out with 98, eh?

Also, I don't know about the whole Japan being behind on netcode thing. Doesn't Mortal Kombat 9 have pretty awful netcode? Doesn't Soul Calibur V have some of the best netcode and net functions?

It's enviable that you are going to see some subpar games before you get the one that truly shines. Without 2001, we wouldn't have 2002. Without XII, we wouldn't have XIII. There never would have been a Third Strike without New Generations. Mahvel 2 needed MSHvSF to get to where it got. Sometimes you gotta make a shitty game as a stepping stone for a great one. It's just the way the industry works.
Title: Re: 10+ year game?
Post by: davidkong07 on July 27, 2012, 12:46:38 AM
If they kept the exact same system, and added like 12 characters to make KoFXIII UM, assuming it's balanced, I could see that being the game that lasts for 10 years.