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King of Fighters XIII => General Discussion => Topic started by: choysauce on August 01, 2012, 02:15:43 AM
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I wanted to see what characters people would totally want if there is another iteration of kofxiii but with more characters.
but let's just not leave it at picking characters. let's categorize/theorize!
category 1: characters that would fit the system really well!
- think of the characters you'd like who would make sense with the drive cancel/hd combo system
- theoretical combos they could have
- possible ex moves
category 2: character's you'd just want to be in there cuz they're dope
- possible changes needed to make them fit?
all mine would probably be for category 2 because i'm not familiar enough with character's moves from previous kofs:
but my picks are
chris
blue mary (probably would be like clark)
vanessa (i could imagine DC'ing into her dashes into followups?)
yamazaki
geese
angel
k9999
bao
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Category 1 is tough to me just because I think anyone can fit well into this system. But there are probably ones by their own track record that would fit under this so under C1, I'd say Heidern, Oswald, Geese, Adelheid, Angel, Malin, Choi, Whip, Shion, Vanessa and Shingo.
Category 2 characters would be Jhun, Maylee, Foxy, Rose (Bernstein), Shroom, Rimelo, Botan, Mukai, K9999, Eiji, Chizuru, Xiangfei, and many others.
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Considering they'll have to be changed in some way for the system differences between games my 5 I'll consider as all cat2 (probably to save myself theorycrafting move sets :P);
Vanessa, Ryuji Yamazaki, Gato, Bonne Jenet, Geese, Momoko, Mukai, Chizuru, Shion & Angel (Blue Mary and Whip notable mentions)
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Hard to say what the next game is going to be. It could be another revision, a KOF14, or Garou 2. Categories 1 and 2 are basically the same for me but I'll keep it at 12 characters maximum which seems like an even number to round off at.
Nameless (AKA K9999, AKA Tetsuo), Gato, Oswald, Angel, Whip, Yamazaki, Blue Mary, Shingo,
Son of Boss Team with Adelheid, Rock Howard, and son of... Whoever. I say son of Goenitz but maybe Mr. Big's sexually confused daughter that dresses like King?
And one brand new character. Could be whoever. Or Heidern. Heidern and Shingo are interchangeable. However, Heidern has one of the most badass supers in a fighter (Go to Hell!) so I'm good either way.
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I was about to say.
You all are forgetting Rock Howard which translates to you all fucking up. Good looking out, Louis.
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Son of Goenitz (I think he's technically a Clone) http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Sinobu_Amou (http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Sinobu_Amou)
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I would really want Vanessa and Kasumi in this game.
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Son of Boss Team with Adelheid, Rock Howard, and son of... Whoever. I say son of Goenitz but maybe Mr. Big's sexually confused daughter that dresses like King?
They could have Adel and Rose on a team. I thought I remember SNK saying Rose was meant to be playable but was cut due to time and budget.
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Wolfgang Krauser plz. Also, Rock and Geese Howard along with Butt and Gato from MOTW and perhaps freeman? I would say both of Kim's sons but most likely they will change Kim's moveset if there is a KOFXIIIUM.
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Claw Iori is a good version of Freeman. I'm for a Freeman outfit for Iori though, and maybe a counter super for shits 'n giggles.
Mr. Karate is a variation on Kushnood. Still possible he could get in at some point.
Kim's sons are a possibility, all they'd have to do is headswap Kim. If they were cheap and desparate for more characters they'd do it, and it could turn out well like how Saiki and Hwa Jai turned out.
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Well, first of all, I would to belive, in a KoF "Final/Real Edition", more than an "Unlimited Match" edition...
So, from this perspective:
#A thought for all legitimes characters, according to the storyline (Heidern, Adelheid, Rose, Vanessa, Ramon, Blue Mary, Seth, Whip, Rugal (maybe forgetting some), & all of those guys)
[spoiler](http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/blog/100826_harukeshi.jpg)[/spoiler]
#Also, I want to see an EX-Ryo, cause this char is just too much well suited in this XIII system. Then I can't imagine what an EX version with air Ko Ou Ken and 2 Ko Ou Ken's versions like Takuma's XIII, one crossing the screen and another just like Ryo's XIII... :)
#In the same line, like to see an EX-Rugal(Orochi Rugal).
#I can see one guy who will do very well with this system... Choi! I imagine all of his "Senpuu Hien Zashi" with EX's and DC's, all over the screen... loool x-D
(But I must confess, that with Choi, I will be happy seeing Chang) :)
#Team also can be do well in... is the Orochi Team (with Chris, Yashiro, Shermie). Would really like to see them too.
#Those unavoidable guys and KoFXIII needs and do very good with the system too, are: Eiji, Geese, Oswald & Saisyu)
#These "Just Because I Like" and don't know if they will do well in XIII's system: Ryuji & Angel
#And to finish, 2 chars IMO, cannot do as well, but really wants to see them: Nameless & Kasumi
EDIT: Also yeah, you'r right @LouisCipher, the idea of Kim's sons... sounds very cute! :P
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If they bring back Ramon, they gotta' give him an El Fuerte alt-color.
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How would Yamazaki and Angel not fit in this game? This game's systems seems very similar to KOF2002, so I'd think any character from 2002 would transition fine.
I forgot about EX characters I'd like. These are EX characters I'd really like to see:
EX Terry: Give him the Garou appearance. Lose Rising Tackle and Power Wave Projectile. Replace Power Wave Projectile with the Power Wave he had in 2000 (if memory serves me correctly) where it was a short-ranged blast. Make the EX Power Wave OTG similar to EX Iori's EX Koto Tsuki. Give him access to Power Dunk and Power Charge.
EX Robert: Give him the NGBC/KOFXI appearance. Replace his moveset entirely with the moveset he had in NGBC/KOFXI. Making him go from a typical fireball/uppercut style fighter to being a charge character is a big enough change in and of itself.
EX Kensou: Give him the KOFXI appearance (with at least one palette giving him his '98 appearance). Replace his moveset with his KOF'98 moveset. Aside from Chokyudan and Ryugakusai, he's practically an entirely different character - and even those moves are somewhat different from KOFXIII's versions.
EX Chin: Give him his KOF'98 appearance and moveset. Again, he's an almost completely different character from his KOFXIII version, with just a few moves in common with his newer counterpart.
Only problem with Rock is that SNK said they wouldn't put him in KOF until his story is finished in Garou. It actually wouldn't be a bad idea to do a Garou 2 now and finish it if they wanted him back. Garou's much smaller roster would give them a breath of fresh air, and making characters for Garou 2 could assist them in making a new KOF (EX Terry, Rock if they put him in, B.Jenet, Gato and Tizoc all being KOF entrants themselves. Hotaru as well if you count her KOFXI PS2 appearance.)
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You guys should read this:
There is one other criteria you guys should consider: if you are going to bring back a character, you should also keep in mind any other characters that would go with them.
For example, many of you guys are requesting Vanessa... but no Ramon. Vanessa without Ramon? That's just unthinkable IMO. It's one of those things that have to be. If you guys are just gonna put any random dude/dudette just because you feel like it, then the game might as well be MUGEN.
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That'd be good, but this is for fun dude, no need for sternness
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You guys should read this:
There is one other criteria you guys should consider: if you are going to bring back a character, you should also keep in mind any other characters that would go with them.
For example, many of you guys are requesting Vanessa... but no Ramon. Vanessa without Ramon? That's just unthinkable IMO. It's one of those things that have to be. If you guys are just gonna put any random dude/dudette just because you feel like it, then the game might as well be MUGEN.
Well, that's one of the reasons I think Vanessa will get in the next game: Vanessa, Ramon and Blue Mary are all very popular characters.
If they decide to bring Heidern back, they could put him on a team with Chin and Takuma a la 2002UM's Master Team. Chin's place could be filled by Momoko and Takuma's place could be filled by Yuri - then Yuri's place on the Women's team could be filled by Chizuru. Or, as hinted at with Clark's interactions with the Women's Team, it could be Whip that takes Yuri's place.
Personally, I don't think KOFXIII is going to get a UM because I don't think it's the last of this arc. There's still several members of "Those from the Past" wandering around and up to nothing good. I think KOFXIV is going to focus on that and wrap the story up before we get another UM or Dream Match.
If they do make a KOFXIIIUM, though, this is how I want the roster will look (taking into consideration that the roster will be made up of characters from the Ash Saga: KOF2003, XI and XIII.)
[spoiler]
Kyo/Benimaru/Goro
Iori/Mature/Vice
K'/Kula/Maxima
Ralf/Clark/Heidern
Athena/Kensou/Momoko
Mai/Chizuru/King
Terry/Andy/Joe
Ryo/Robert/Yuri
Kim/Jhun/Chang
Elizabeth/Shen Woo/Duo Lon
B.Jenet/Gato/Tizoc
Vanessa/Blue Mary/Ramon
Billy/Yamazaki/Geese (New Outlaws Team)
Mr.Big/Kasumi/Eiji (New Anti-Kyokugen Team)
Duck King/Raiden/Hwa Jai (Fatal Fury Rivals Team)
Malin/Hotaru/Hinako (New Young Girls Team)
Chin/Takuma/Tung Fu Rue (New Oyaji Team)
Ash/Adel/Oswald (New Ash Team)
Leona/Whip/Foxy (Heidern's Special Forces Team)
Solo Entrants: Saiki, Shingo[/spoiler]
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I don't think you can hypothesize what the next game will be character-wise based on the story of 13. Don't forget that Vice and Mature are in the game as ghosts, why are they back as ghosts? It's not really explained. They could bring back whoever, they could bring Yashiro, Shermie, Chris, and Chiziru back and say they're ghosts or robots or clones or that they were cloned and made into cyborgs controlled by giant monkeys just like the one's in Metal Slug.
I'm betting on it.
About the only thing that's a pretty safe bet is that Ash/Saiki is not coming back. But ya' never know.
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They at least had a "rational by video game standards" reason for Vice and Mature coming back, in that someone was trying to take control of Orochi and since Orochi couldn't take care of it himself being sealed away for the next 600+ years, he had to have someone else do it for him. The only person who could take care of it was Iori (Leona and Yamazaki have essentially 'walked off' the curse, while everyone else is dead), but he needed to have someone there to guide him into taking back the cursed jewel.
Now that he's taken back the jewel, Mature and Vice are no longer around, so it's pretty safe to say they won't be in the next game along with Ash and Saiki. Of course, throwing away 4 characters that required so damn much work to make is unlikely to happen, so who knows.
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Guarantee you that Vice and Mature are here to stay. They're fan favorites plus as you said it took so much time to create those characters that it's unlikely that they will simply discard them.
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I can see into the future. This is what will happen.
Vice and Mature will be given flesh for a job well done. They will return and be even more powerful. If they were spirits, why did Mature require an eyepatch? If she was a spirit, couldn't she come back as her 96 form without the misshapen look? She's probably a wraith.
Yamazaki will make a return and fight Iori Yagami and beat him.
Chin will remember he has a rope on his gourd, and we will call that Chin EX and he will be in KOF 14.
Ralf will defy gravity and get his LARF kick back. He will also remember how to throw people in the air.
Clark will remember there is more than two throws and start rolling around the stage again and tackle people.
Even though we tried to pray the gay away, Ash Crimson will return and Elizabreasts will chew him out. He will like it and continue to wear designer clothes.
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I can see into the future. This is what will happen.
Vice and Mature will be given flesh for a job well done. They will return and be even more powerful. If they were spirits, why did Mature require an eyepatch? If she was a spirit, couldn't she come back as her 96 form without the misshapen look? She's probably a wraith.
Yamazaki will make a return and fight Iori Yagami and beat him.
Chin will remember he has a rope on his gourd, and we will call that Chin EX and he will be in KOF 14.
Ralf will defy gravity and get his LARF kick back. He will also remember how to throw people in the air.
Clark will remember there is more than two throws and start rolling around the stage again and tackle people.
Even though we tried to pray the gay away, Ash Crimson will return and Elizabreasts will chew him out. He will like it and continue to wear designer clothes.
I hate how you're predictions made me laugh so hard.
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Guarantee you that Vice and Mature are here to stay. They're fan favorites plus as you said it took so much time to create those characters that it's unlikely that they will simply discard them.
I dunno, man, there's always been a lot of people demanding a return of the New Faces Team and yet they only come back for Make-Believe fights.
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To tell you the truth it's hard to choose but if I'll choose they would be, for the first category:
1.Ryuji Yamazaki
2.Saisyu Kusanagi
3.Orochi Yashiro
4.Yashiro
5.Lin
The second category:
1.Geese
2.Rugal
3.Krauser
4.Heavy D
5.Krizalid
I think if they will bring "those from the past" it wont be a UM it would be KoF XIV, thats obvious.
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category 1
Oswald
Orochi / normal Chris
Whip
Angel
Jhun
category 2
Oswald
Angel
Orochi team
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Shermie and Blue Mary would make my life complete. Been playing some KoF 98 and just love the way those characters play.
Also Lucky Glauber needs to come back with a f'in vengeance. It'll happen! :D
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All i want is Gato and May Lee.
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EX Terry: Give him the Garou appearance. Lose Rising Tackle and Power Wave Projectile. Replace Power Wave Projectile with the Power Wave he had in 2000 (if memory serves me correctly) where it was a short-ranged blast. Make the EX Power Wave OTG similar to EX Iori's EX Koto Tsuki. Give him access to Power Dunk and Power Charge.
I'd rather EX Terry have a Power Wave that goes full screen, EX version is Round Wave and OTG's. Has Power Dunk+Break, along with Power Charge, he has the Double Blow command normal, Crackshot is always an Overhead, and he can use the Burning Knuckle Feint.
NeoMax is Power Stream.
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EX Terry: Give him the Garou appearance. Lose Rising Tackle and Power Wave Projectile. Replace Power Wave Projectile with the Power Wave he had in 2000 (if memory serves me correctly) where it was a short-ranged blast. Make the EX Power Wave OTG similar to EX Iori's EX Koto Tsuki. Give him access to Power Dunk and Power Charge.
I'd rather EX Terry have a Power Wave that goes full screen, EX version is Round Wave and OTG's. Has Power Dunk+Break, along with Power Charge, he has the Double Blow command normal, Crackshot is always an Overhead, and he can use the Burning Knuckle Feint.
NeoMax is Power Stream.
You gave him nothing but positives and not a single negative.
There's absolutely no reason not to pick EX Terry instead of Regular Terry if EX Terry were like this. Might as well just make this regular Terry and say screw EX Terry.
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His Crackshot is his MOTW version. It doesn't combo, it's slower and not safe like regular Terry's, but it remains an overhead.
Also he loses Rising Tackle, so Terry's anti-air options are worse off. So basically Garou Terry would be slower, hits a bit harder and is much more rushdown oriented.
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If there is going to be any KOFXIII:UM (or sequel), then I would like to see Adel (whom would be DLC much later on in this KOFXIII anyhow). Adel is noteworthy for being a solid character in both of previous appearances (his jump in KOF2003 was ludicrously high, however). He also has a better sense of morality, unlike his father Rugal (whom is one of my favorites).
I would enjoy others like Heidern, Malin, Vanessa, Ramon, Whip, Blue Mary, Oswald, and Geese Howard... and a handful of NESTS agents like Angel. (I really don't want to ask for too much because I understand these things take time and money, but a man can dream...)
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I'd rather EX Terry have a Power Wave that goes full screen, EX version is Round Wave and OTG's. Has Power Dunk+Break, along with Power Charge, he has the Double Blow command normal, Crackshot is always an Overhead, and he can use the Burning Knuckle Feint.
NeoMax is Power Stream.
Your idea for EX Terry is similar to mine, but I have a few changes in it that would make it more acceptable (and if you guys don't mind, I'd like to post my vision of EX Terry in its entirety).
First off, absolutely no to the Burning Knuckle feint. That alone would make regular Terry obsolete.
Double Blow command is good. Another command move I'd like to give him is his evasive ( ;a ;b) attack from Garou (the spin kick). It would be good for following up from the double blow command and then linking it up with another move or HD bypassing.
Full screen Power Wave and Round Wave as EX is good. One thing I'd like to add is to make EX Power Wave crumble (make opponent fall on their knees) like Raiden's EX Breath and Kula's EX Breath. I think that would be really cool for EX Terry to have. Not sure about it being OTG, though...
OK with overhead Crackshoot. EX should be a multi-hit move.
Burning Knuckle should be stronger but with slower startup. EX takes a bit more time to start up, but is completely invincible, does multiple hits, and juggles.
OK with Power Dunk w/ Break. It would be a sin for him not to have that. EX should be like Crash Dunk (his TOP move). Still debating whether this version should be able to be braked or not.
Power Charge will be the "rekka" version like in Garou. EX will be like his "'98" version. A cool way for him to have both versions of Power Charge.
As far as DMs go:
Power Geyser will be done as qcf x 2 + P like in Garou (I like it better that way). EX will be like P-Power Power Geyser (three individual geysers). All three geysers will hit in corner. Can be Max Cancelled, but if not done in the corner, it must be done after the second geyser or it'll miss.
Buster Wolf will also be Max Cancellable (and yes, it'll say "Are you okay?"). However, this one's gonna hurt, but I felt like it had to be done: he will not have an EX version for this DM. EX Terry's got a huge advantage over regular Terry with his version of Power Geyser.
And of course: Power Stream as NM. It's meant to be a combo ender instead of something you use to continue combos (like Terry's Trinity Geyser).
And one final tidbit: his win pose should be "Stand down!" instead of "Okay!" I think it suits Garou Terry better.
And as if I needed to mention this: normals and voice acting will be like in Garou.
What do you guys think?
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Oh how could I forget Ron and Lin...? And, Duo Lon's female counterpart (I, unfortunately, forgot her name so if someone can correct me, please do so). Those characters are NICE and they deserve a place somewhere in the next update...
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Terry's Neomax should just be his Dreamcancel from XI. They could even use the same animation, just replace the spfx from K's Neomax.
Man, playing a bit of 98 makes you realize how much SNKP fucked up Terry.
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Terry has indeed seen better days.
Personally I miss the 2k2 Round Wave, which was free-cancelable into Burning Knuckle. That was amazing.
Also, Ryo needs more moves! He's so boring in XIII.
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Oh how could I forget Ron and Lin...? And, Duo Lon's female counterpart (I, unfortunately, forgot her name so if someone can correct me, please do so).
Xiao Lon
Those characters are NICE and they deserve a place somewhere in the next update...
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Here's what I think should happen:
If SNKP doesn't announce Garou 2 at TGS or by the end of the year. Just give us a 14 with a little over half the Garou cast: Gato, Hotaru, Rock, Kane, Grant (maybe), Kim's Sons, Tizoc, and Kushnood. Give Claw Iori Freeman's outfit as an alt.
And have the focus be on Kane and Grant and whatever boss is brought in and give us Joe's apprentice and some disciple of Yamazaki or Eijii.
Release it as KOF 14: Rise of the Wolves. Done.
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I think SNKP should release kof xiii or xiv first before starting anything new, FF MOW 2 sound like it could be a disaster especially coming from them. It,s bad enough that we had to wait 4 years plus for a good kof game, even then I feel this what we should have gotten back in 2009. It amazing that Arc System is leagues ahead of snkp, in term of effiency and releasing quality product. Arc did P4 arena and working on the next installment of BB. SNKP on the other hand um...yeah... should take half a year to a year to restructure and reorganized after kof xiv, I really don't want the next Fatal Fury to end up just as bad as kof 12 Samsho Sen, one more major slip-up like that I would rather they make pachislot instead.
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I don't want Garou characters in KOF.I want Garou and KOF to have different styles and charms.
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I don't want Garou characters in KOF.I want Garou and KOF to have different styles and charms.
Quite agree
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However, this one's gonna hurt, but I felt like it had to be done: he will not have an EX version for this DM. EX Terry's got a huge advantage over regular Terry with his version of Power Geyser.
considering all the buffs everyones talking about, i dont think that would hurt any if it all. its a pretty lackluster EX DM imo. its already useless in HD combos, and in drive cancel combos, the dmg on it isnt so great. better off saving the drive and going straight into his current EX geyser off of his normals for an almost neglible damage difference. i think its only good use is to throw it out raw to invulnerable through stuff, which people will be very wary of in a set after getting hit by it once or twice.
all this EX terry stuff everyones talking about really does make regular terry seem obsolete. i dont really have much to contribute on how to buff up terry since this is the only iteration of him ive played. one thing i think could help though is if anti air normals in general were buffed up, like people say they used to be in older games. terry can take off nearly half a life bar off of a counter hit df.C, but in all reality, any situation it does a real counterhit it will trade so he cant combo off it in an actual match. the only time it gets a clean hit is if its before the opponent even throws anything out, so no counterhit combo.
Running Wild said EX terry would be much more rush down oriented. what if it is was like that, with regular terry having a more buffed up defensive game? just my 2 cents, although i think keeping 1 version of terry in the game is best.
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Regular Terry just needs priority for his Crackshoot, his Powerdunk to come back, and maybe the Real Bout Slide or Power Charge to come back and fix his Neomax in the corner. There, done.
Garou Terry would be fairly different. Been a while since I last played Garou but he'd have his Rekka' and maybe he can break his specials like Mr. Karate? And his Neomax would be his Dreamcancel from XI.
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Here's how to buff up regular Terry
- Make weak Burning Knuckle safe on block
- Fix Crackshot like LouisCipher mentioned above.
- Give Rising Tackle slight autoguard (Like in 97/98)
- Give him his old jump CD
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Well, his Neomax definitely needs to be fixed. By default he has the absolute worst Neomax in the entire game. That's really sad. That's a definite factor as to why there's not that many Terry players.
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I thought King had the worst NeoMax.
Hmmm but yeah, it should be fixed... getting all the hits is a pain, even if you can potentially follow-up after it.
Should of just given him Power Stream from 2k3/XI. That was a good move.
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I thought King had the worst NeoMax.
Same here.
So no one has any thoughts on my version of EX Terry? I tried to make him so that regular Terry wasn't obsolete. Did I meet that goal?
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They should just have 1 Terry, give him an alt outfit like Kyo, and make him a best of version of Terry.
Like in Maximum Impact.
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They should just have 1 Terry, give him an alt outfit like Kyo, and make him a best of version of Terry.
Like in Maximum Impact.
Didn't they change that in MI2?
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Yeah, they split Terry into two for that game.
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I actually liked that there were two Terry's in MI2, though I didn't care for him being named Wild Wolf even though it is sorta his title.
But an EX Terry with all his Garou moves and appearance would be great, and Power Stream would DEFINITELY have to be his Neo Max.
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I will try to complete the roster
I will put chang and choi since they are not maybe that popular are least are iconic, then I will put billy with raiden and hwa jai for team vintage fatal fury
If not, just put Billy with Geese and shoe horn under the excuse that Geese will give him more of the drug that was wanting
Then I will put the Garou Team, Anti Kyokugenryu, Agents and Maybe the Sports team and that it. Saiki disciples could work too, Judging the real ending from the story mode I could see them appearing