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Just curious if anyone feels this way or not:

I have a philosophy that you should keep combos that are not necessarily basic but ones you absolutely know you can do. My opinion is that if you try those fancy Trial Mode combos when you can do them maybe 5 times out of 10 you run a big risk of dropping it and losing the whole thing.

Basically I ignore fancy combos that don't do that much more damage. I mean if at the most I stand to gain 100-150 more damage by doing a fancy combo that I could easily if I blink the wrong way, then I don't think it's worth it. I won't practice a trial mode combo unless the damage is 200+.

Do you guys feel the same way?

Most trial mode combos aren't practical in a real match anyway.  Whether it's too difficult to execute (especially if there are more damaging and easier combo options) or bad damage to meter usage ratio.  In a tourney match I'd also rather do a combo that, for example, does 400 damage that I can hit 100% of the time than a 530 combo that I can only do 75% of the time.  In casuals though, I try to practice some harder versions.

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If you're looking for damage then I'm surprised no one mentioned Takuma

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j.D, s.C, f.B, db>f+D, db>f+B, fbf+C = 417

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j.D, s.C, f.B, db>f+D, db>f+B, fbf+C (DC) qcb+B, s.C, f.B, db>f+D, db>f+B, fbf+C = 530

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j.D, s.C, f.B, db>f+D, db>f+B, fbf+C (DC) qcb+B, s.C, f.B, db>f+D, db>f+B, qcf,hcb+P = 651

I haven't found it on youtube but SRK posted the archive of the stream here:

http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/09/frosty-faustings-iv-tournament-results-and-archive/

Unfortunately, they only show the grand finals.

Well that was the only one I was throwing in, if you seen the last post that was discussed. A point that needs clarity and understanding. Unless, there's an issue you have with the video or what I had said is up to you. Again, I do apologize for people that were possibly antagonizing me if I was just showing some creative work from before that video.

No one was antagonizing you dude.  You got WAY too defensive over nothing.  We are just trying to tell you that your video doesn't really fit in this thread.  Most the videos in this thread are informational or competitive in nature so we can watch and learn.  You posted a 15 minute video of you goofing off in survival mode and said "enjoy".  I'm not sure what kind of reaction you were expecting, if you had ask for tips or something me and others would be glad to help but it doesn't look like you are interested in learning so much as getting views on your youtube account.

Now that's out of the way I'll get back on topic and post a video of Southtown's latest ranbat (the rest are on their youtube channel):

KOFXIII: STA Season 3.1 - PT 1/4

I don't think he realized he necro'd a month old thread

I'm sorry to be so blunt but your gameplay IS in fact, very low level.  I don't mean that as an insult, we all start some where, but don't delude yourself.  And you're right that I only speak for myself, but I can imagine most people don't come to this thread to watch beginners play against the computer for 15 minutes.  Most the videos in this thread are higher level match videos, informational videos or combo videos, so you can see how your video might seem out of place.  Like I said, check out these forums and http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII if you want to level up your game.

On topic.  For anyone that didn't catch the WP Cup in Brazil, here's the archive:

http://pt-br.twitch.tv/wpgames/b/304905059

No offense, but I'm not sure why you posted that video.  It's just 15 minutes of low level play against the computer.  I encourage you to look over these forums and check out SRK's kof wiki so you can learn more about the basics.

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No one cares about this pointless argument except you two, if you want to continue this instead of having an on topic discussion then please take it to PM.  I don't mind how someone makes the tier graph as long as they explain what they did before hand so we know how to read it.  /pointlessargument

What does everyone think of Takuma?  He has ridiculous damage (400+ meterless in the corner), a command grab that leads to a full damage combo, a decent fireball and great corner pressure.  He lacks a good reversal, has limited AA options and has to use EX to do any significant damage from a low.  I see a lot of people put him high-mid which is probably right.

Here's a list of tier charts from top players around the world:
http://www.mmcafe.com/cgi-bin/forums/bbs/messages/13335.shtml#

-Kane317


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I'm making this thread because the other one got closed over a ridiculous argument.  

But Tanner, it's too early for tier lists and this game is very balanced, herp derp there is no reason for a tier lists thread.

People need to understand the basic concept of these threads.  Tier lists are a great starting point for discussion about character's weaknesses and strong points.  Any one with half a brain knows that tier lists are opinions of players and not set in stone.  They are supposed to be discussed, questioned and frequently changed.

Anyone with a weird personal issues about tier lists please keep it out of this thread.

^^ This in a PS2 KOF2k2UM Tougeki Edition Casuals in my place my friends pick K', Kasumi and King some Namelesses are there you would be disgusted at the mirror matches. I use K' since he was my favorite in 99 onwards but since his dominance in 2k2UM and Arcade XIII I have abandoned him.

This kind of thinking boggles my mind.  You refuse to play one of your favorite characters because he's good?  There's nothing dishonorable or whatever about picking good characters in a fighting game.  And unless you're winning every single tournament ever, the idea that you are challenging yourself by picking low tier characters doesn't really apply.

Like saitsuofleaves said, the tiers aren't very defined at this point in the game anyway so pick who you want to pick.  I personally tend to pick characters I have the most fun with, mainly because I tend to win more if it's a character I like to play.

I also think tier lists are a good thing if for no other reason than it creates good discussion about character's weaknesses and strengths.  

2. The memory usuage on this game is massive. When was the last time you remember dealing with load times in between matches for a fighting game? Tekken has already stated that their major problem with netcode was the amount of data being sent cause of the game being so data heavy. KOF is in the same boat so more then likely the big issue will be if Playmore can condense the data packets down. To which GGPO, Arc System and the other decent netcode games do not have a problem with (P.S. Street Fighter IV is 2.5 D so it's a little less data heavy then Tekken like the backgrounds for example.)

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I very well may be) but I thought the only thing being sent was the input data, everything else is client side.  This is the main reason a lot of people called "BS" when Seth said SF4 has too much data to send with GGPO netcode.

You called the person in question a baby and continued to insult him for little to no reason at all. That's not exactly a good way to get someone on your side.

I just wish everyone would stop playing shooters, period. It's getting real boring lately.

I hate to sound like a broken record here but maybe you should read the entire exchange before commenting.  If you still can't figure it out then there's no hope for you.  Either way, I'm beyond over it at this point.

I don't see why these companies refuse to use a GGPO style of netcode.  There's no excuse for the netcode to be this unplayable when the technology is out there to reduce input delay to virtually nothing.

i live in a pretty small-ish town and the the most where most of the people just play call of duty  or other various shooters if i had to take a guess at what fighting games were played around here it would be either mk or mvc

and let me explain my situation to you since you dont seem to understand where im coming from. i have very little time, patience or money among other things that aren't gonna be explained here, as much as i would love to drive about to play games with other people i just cant which is why i absolutely rely on the online part being at least decent.

and yes i did bit of offense at your comment it bugs the fuck out of me when people who have a offline group of people make it seem like its so fuckin easy to find one, it also bugs me how they just blow off the online part just because they dont give a shit about it then proceed to bitch and moan when other people wont play the game

I think you need to reread my posts, I'm not blowing off the importance of online play at all, but it's just a fact that KOF's is virtually unplayable.  I would love for it to have a functioning online play so I could get some practice in between local sessions but it's not possible. 

Does everyone on this forum take differing ideas or opinions as a personal attack?  It's very frustrating for a new poster to try and express thoughts when people put words in my mouth (strawman) and throw a hissy fit about things I never said nor insinuated. 

Guys relax there's no need for this argument. The idea is to help and support our fellow players. This is not needed at the moment. Or ever.

Only one person "arguing" here.  I merely made a suggestion to try and find a local scene since everyone was complaining about the netcode and some child decided that was reason enough to attempt to start a flame war.  BTW, I'm new to the forums, is there an ignore feature?  I can imagine someone that acts so immature has anything of substance to add to any discussion.

Not every place has FG players, not every place have people that go on SRK, that go on Dream Cancel so stop acting like that's the case.

News fucking flash so listen up, NOT EVERYONE PLAYS FGS.  Simple as fucking that.  Then there's those who just play for the flash, like in the MKs, or the Marvels, or hell, even Soul Caliber.  People that don't give a shit about getting good, but just playing.  And those people, give them KOF, sure they might like it, but you'll probably have to play half-assed for months, lest you risk turning them off.

You want an example?  I have friends that don't mind getting into different games.  Brought over MvC3 for the hell of it.  They loved the graphics, the feel, the flash, the combos.  After an hour, they barred me from playing it with them because even as half assed as I could play, I was still doing too well.  This isn't uncommon in other places either.  What a fucking scene that is.

I agree people should get out and look, but when people have gone out of their fucking way to tell you they've taken an active search in finding a scene and have found nothing, shut the fuck up, take their word for it and get off your god damn high horse, unless you want to take a goddamn flight out to where they live and threaten people at gunpoint to play KOF with them.

I'm sorry, but it's like finding fossils.  You can dig and dig, but sometimes it's not a matter of just putting more effort into it, sometimes the only thing down there is more and more worm shit and nothing more.

I'm not sure what your deal is but you are acting like a baby.  I in no way flamed or antagonized anyone during this discussion so your little tantrum is not needed, sounds like you have serious issues.  If you read back I said several times that I know not every place is going to have a scene so maybe you should work on your reading comprehension before pitching a childish fit.  I seriously hope you are no older than 13 because I'm seriously embarrassed for you after reading your post if you are.