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Goro Daimon / Re: Goro Daimon

« on: September 24, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »

Threw in some basic combos for Daimon. http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Goro_Daimon_(XIV)
After checking out Zx-tole's post I see I'll need to include a longer light chain, but I'll have to do that later.

I'll be doing move descriptions soon, so as always input welcome.

Also if anyone knows any moves with special properties (besides dp+K having invuln), it'd help me if you'd let me know.

From what i've tested.. his EX Roll has:

-Full Body Invul.
-Throw Invul when active (Including command grabs). Might even be on startup as well
-Projectile Invul.
-Cancellable just like the B version of his roll
-Can cancel it into other EX Moves, something that i believe not many others can do.

But yeah i've tried to attack him during the move in practice and all attacks just go right through him. You can grab him when the move is done but he can cancel into his DP grab and beat out your regular grab attempt.

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Goro Daimon / Re: Goro Daimon Video Thread

« on: September 13, 2016, 03:12:38 AM »

Works by inputting a dash right before you roll.. if done right you can make it to where it seems like Daimon didn't even dash.

the inputs are: dp+B or D, 66A+B, cl.C

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Vice / Re: Vice

« on: August 26, 2016, 03:06:47 PM »

Anyone make a video on Vice's AA routes yet using MAX Mode Cancel?

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Kyo Kusanagi / Re: Kyo Breakdown

« on: August 16, 2016, 07:12:38 AM »

This looks like it should be on the wiki. Mind if I edit and copy/paste it on there?

sorry for the late reply.. go ahead!

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Kyo Kusanagi / Re: Kyo Tech

« on: August 08, 2016, 12:38:02 AM »

Combos into Safe Jumps against Kyo. These might work on other characters. I only tested against Kyo's 4 frame dp+A/AC.

1. (Anywhere) Starter combo, qcf+B, B, time qcf+A (x2), timed A, forward jump, air db+C:

2. (Anywhere, Only is Kyo techs or quick rises during fall) Starter combo, qcf+A (x2), B, forward hyper jump, air db+C:

3. (Corner, 1 Bar) Starter combo, BC (Quick Max), cl. D, qcf+BD, qcf+B, Fast B, qcf+AC, qcf+A (x2), timed A, forward jump, air db+C:

4. (Corner, 2 Bar) Starter combo, BC (Quick Max), (cl. D or cr. C against crouching opponents), rdp+BD, qcf+B, timed B, qcf+A, qcf+A, Ex Orochinagi, whiff cl. C, forward jump, air db+C:

5. (Corner, Reset) Starter combo, df+D (1 hit), qcf+D, D, vertical hop C, forward hyper hop, air db+C:

6. (Anywhere) qcf+A, hcb+K, K, hcb+B, forward hyper jump, air db+C:

7. (Anywhere) qcf+A, hcb+K, P, hcb+B, vertial jump, air db+C:

- This one can be done anywhere, but you can follow db+C with a combo only at the corner.

8. (Corner, 1 Bar) Starter combo, BC (Quick Max), cl. D, qcf+BD, qcf+AC, qcf+B, late B, rdp+B, forward jump, air db+C:

9. (Anywhere) Starter combo, BC (Quick Max), (cl. D or cr. C against crouching opponents), rdp+BD, qcf+B, late B, qcf+BD, timed qcf+A (x2), timed qcf+A, forward jump, air db+C:

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Notes for #2, #6, and #7: The safe-jumps will beat Kyo's dp+A, which will give Kyo a counter hit. The safe-jumps will lose to Kyo's Ex dp, which has invincible start-up frames. Both Kyo's dp+A and ex dp have 4 frames of start-up, but the ex dp's start-up frames are invincible.

Nice.. i'm gonna try linking this post into the Kyo Breakdown post i made

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Kyo Kusanagi / Re: Kyo Breakdown

« on: August 03, 2016, 11:00:18 PM »

Added the movenames for you here otherwise, sorry, its REALLY confusing to read... Kyo players generally will know his movenames. Also added the last 2 hits of the Dokugami chain which you didn't have, tho I don't have an analysis of these beyond 'horrendously unsafe, do not do unless hit confirmed' :P

You also didn't have the new followups for the Aragami, added those... Go ahead and analyse em.

Couple other things to add to your list:
-2nd hit of close C is not special cancellable but it is SUPER cancellable
-2nd hit of df+D is also SUPER cancellable
-Close standing B will link into Aragami (qcf+A), this is a HUGE deal as besides XIII EX Kyo, Kyo has never had this in the past. It was underused in XIII but it may be used more here, time will tell... especially if the Ya Sabi is safe on block.
-Crouching/close A will also link into Aragami
-EX Kototsuki (hcb+BD) now has a whiff, unlike XIII where it didn't

Aragami (qcf+LP)
11 frame startup (-6 on block and -4 on hit)

-Ku no Kizu (qcf.LP/HP) from Aragami
       -8 frame startup (-14 on block and launches on hit)
       -Ya no Sabi followup from this is a true blockstring
                    -You want to try and hit-confirm this followup due to the move being heavily unsafe on block

       -Super-cancellable
       -Can be confirmed into his qcb,hcf+LP/HP super (Ex: St.C (1) > qcf.LP > qcf.LP > qcb,hcf+LP/HP)
       -Can also be confirmed into his qcf,qcf+LP/HP
                   -Due to the nature of this move and the pushback, it isn't recommended unless you're either in the corner or you use the level two version of this super

      -Has two followups: Ya no Sabi (LP/HP), Nana Se (LK/HK)
                  -LP/HP knocks the opponent down (Hard knockdown) (10 frame startup, -11 on block)
                  -LK/HK blows them back across the screen (12 frame startup, -9 on block)

-Ya no Sabi (hcb.LP/HP) from Aragami
      -24 frame startup (-12 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
      -Also an overhead
      -Great to use when the opponent is airborne
                 -In a combo, you're going to mainly use this route in the corner as you'll typically be out of range midscreen
                 -LP/HP followup (Migiri Ugachi) for additional damage (17 frame startup, -24 on block)
                        -Hits overhead, hard knockdowns

-Mu no Tsuchi (hcb+B) from Aragami
Hits low, has a lot of startup and is used mostly to play the high/low game, sweeps opponent if hit.
--Hikigane (hcb+B) from Mu no Tsuchi
          His KOF2k/2k1/2k2 hcb+D 'Bullet Upper', has further step in and will combo if the Mu no Tsuchi hits.
          Supercancellable
--Tsurube Otoshi (LP/HP) from Mu no Tsuchi
          'Canned' hyperhop forward into his air dwn+C command attack
          Hits overhead

Dokugami (qcf+HP)
18 frame startup (-8 on block and -6 on hit)
-Both moves have armor properties
       -Possible to stuff guard cancel blowbacks using this move among other normals (Ex: St.C > qcf.LP will beat out guard cancel Blowback)
       -Due to startup, it isn't possible to use as a reversal as you'll be stuffed out

-Tsumiyomi (hcb.HP) from Dokugami
     -9 frame startup (-13 on block and -11 on hit)
     -True blockstring
                -Has a followup into an ender (f+C > dp+HP)
                -Highly unsafe on block (-20 for both f+C and dp+HP)
                        -Mainly use this as a hit-confirm due to the risk
                        -DP Followup will whiff on block if done on crouching opponents

--Batsuyomi (f+P) from Tsumiyomi
Followup from Tsumiyomi, knocks opponent airborne. Horrendously unsafe.

---Oniyaki (dp+P) from Batsuyomi
Followup from Batsuyomi, finishes the 4 hit chain with his dp+A/C, knocks away

Alright cool. Gonna edit the breakdown now. If there's anything else you guys feel is important to add let me know!

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Kyo Kusanagi / Re: Kyo Breakdown

« on: August 03, 2016, 11:29:43 AM »

Thanks for the work! Few things to add:

qcf AC's armor starts up immediately.

hcb K has lower body invincibility, meaning it'll pass through things like Iori's fireball and low sweeps, though higher angled sweeps like Iori will still hit it.

Might be good to mention that charging the supers increases its damage too.

You talking about the EX one correct?

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Kyo Kusanagi / Kyo Breakdown

« on: August 03, 2016, 01:43:21 AM »

What's going on everybody, my name's Michael and i go by Nereus in the community. I'm a bit new to the KOF community and i've mainly been playing the older KOF's on fightcade for the past couple months. My Fightcade ID is the same as my Dreamcancel name as well so if you see my in the lobby just hit me up there or here on Dreamcancel. Now that that's out the way, lets get into the breakdown! Ikuze!

Link to various Kyo Safejump setups by Amedo310: http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=4164.msg74111#new



Close Normals

Cl.A

- 4 frame startup (-2 on block, 0 on hit)
- Can link into Cr.B, itself (Cl.A), Cr.A and Cl.B
-Hits on both crouching and standing opponents
-Special-cancellable
-Can be used as an anti-air upclose
-Decent upclose poke but not one of his main go-to pokes for pressure
-Can link into Aragami (qcf.LP)

Cl.B
-5 frame startup (-2 on block, 0 on hit)
-Looks like it hits low, but the move hits mid meaning you can stand-block it
-Special-cancellable
-Can be chained into df.D for a full combo (ex: Cl.B > df.D (1) > qcf+HK > stuff)
-Can also be linked into qcf+LK on both crouching and standing opponents
-Can link into Aragami (qcf.LP)

Cl.C
- 4 frame startup (-4 on block and -2 on hit)
-One of his main go-to punish tools
-Can be chained into df.D for a full combo (EX: Cl.C (1) > df.D (1) > qcf+HK > stuff)
-Can also be chained into f+B for a full combo
               -Be wary of chaining into this as f+B can whiff on opponents due to distance

-Possible to be used as an anti-air if close enough to opponent
-Does two hits on hit and one on block
               -Cannot be special-cancelled on the second hit
               -Must special-cancel on the first hit due to this ^
               -Super-cancellable, even on the second hit

Cl.D
-9 frame startup ( -3 on block and -1 on hit)
-Good to link into after a BC Cancel (MAX Mode) for max damage
               -Example of this would be St.C (1) > df.D (2) > BC > Cl.D > stuff
                     -It's best to wait a bit after the Cancel in order to make sure the Cl.D comes out. The game is generous in terms of the hitstun

-Outside of optimizing damage, this normal won't be used very often

Far Normals

Far.A
-4 frame startup (-3 on block and -1 on hit)
-Decent range and startup but does not hit crouching
-Can be used as an AA against jumpins that are a bit distant

Far.B
-6 frame startup (-2 on block and 0 on hit)
-Great ranged poke with decent startup
              -A bit better than Far.A due to: Range, the move hitting mid, and more advantage/hitstun on hit
                    -Can be combo'd off of with MAX Cancel (Ex: Far.B > BC > St.C (1) > stuff)
                    -Makes this poke a bit more threatening in neutral ^
-One of his go-to footsie tools

Far.C
-8 frame startup (-2 on block and 0 on hit)
-Can be combo'd off of with MAX Cancel  (Ex: Far.C > BC > St.C (1) > stuff)
            -Compared to Far.B, you won't be using this normal too often

Far.D
-8 frame startup (-3 on block and -1 on hit)
-Great range and poke in neutral
            -Can hop over low attacks and certain projectiles such as Iori's projectile
            -Better button than Far.C due to the same startup with better range and priority
            -Can be combo'd off of with MAX Cancel (Ex: Far.D > BC > St.C (1) > stuff)

Crouching Attacks

Cr.A
-4 frame startup (-2 on block and 0 on hit)
-Good poke to confirm off of Cr.B
-Can be chained into df.D for a full confirm (Ex: Cr.A > df.D (1) > qcf+HK > stuff)
-Special-cancellable
-Can link into Aragami (qcf.LP)

Cr.B
-4 frame startup (+2 on block and +4 on hit)
-Great pressure tool and low
          -Can frame trap by doing Cr.B > Cr.B as a blockstring

-Great Hit Advantage
          -Allows you to confirm into Cl.C if done close enough (Ex: Cr.B > Cl.C > df.D (1) > qcf+HK > stuff)

-One of his main go-to pressure tools for offense

Cr.C
-7 frame startup (-4 on block and -2 on hit)
-Great for anti-airing jumpinss
         -If the elbow only hits, the move does 30 damage instead of 40
-Special-cancellable

Cr.D
-9 frame startup (-8 on block and knockdown on hit)
-Isn't a hard knockdown on hit (opponent can recovery roll)
          -In the demo build, it's a hard knockdown but apparently it's a bug

-Can be cancelled on block, hit, and whiff to make the move more safe (Ex: Cr.D > qcf.LK > LK followup)
        -Can also be whiff cancelled into a DP to AA opponents trying to jump in

Command Normals

j.2C
-Good Jump normal to use as it can out-prioritize anti-air attempts with normals
      - Good hitstun
      -Similar to Iori, Kyo can cancel the animation of his backdash with j.2C. This allows him to cover back distance much faster than if he just continually backdashed
-Hard knockdown on airborne opponents

-Hits overhead

f+B
-Overhead command normal
-Must be MAX cancelled to confirm if done alone (Ex: f+B > St.C (1) > stuff)
-Can be chained off of certain normals such as St.C to maximize damage

df.D
-Low Command Normal
-Typically used to get good conversions off of low confirms and MAX Mode confirms
-Special-cancellable only on the first hit (on block and hit)
-Super-cancellable on the first and second hit

Special Moves

Aragami (qcf+LP)
-11 frame startup (-6 on block and -4 on hit)
-Armor properties (can absorb an attack)
     -Not recommended as a reversal, armor doesn't kick in immediately and slow startup.


-Ku no Kizu (qcf.LP/HP) from Aragami
       -8 frame startup (-14 on block and launches on hit)
       -Ya no Sabi followup from this is a true blockstring
                    -You want to try and hit-confirm this followup due to the move being heavily unsafe on block

       -Super-cancellable
       -Can be confirmed into his qcb,hcf+LP/HP super (Ex: St.C (1) > qcf.LP > qcf.LP > qcb,hcf+LP/HP)
       -Can also be confirmed into his qcf,qcf+LP/HP
                   -Due to the nature of this move and the pushback, it isn't recommended unless you're either in the corner or you use the level two version of this super

      -Has two followups: Ya no Sabi (LP/HP), Nana Se (LK/HK)
                  -LP/HP knocks the opponent down (Hard knockdown) (10 frame startup, -11 on block)
                  -LK/HK blows them back across the screen (12 frame startup, -9 on block)

-Ya no Sabi (hcb.LP/HP) from Aragami
      -24 frame startup (-12 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
      -Also an overhead
      -Great to use when the opponent is airborne
                 -In a combo, you're going to mainly use this route in the corner as you'll typically be out of range midscreen
                 -LP/HP followup (Migiri Ugachi) for additional damage (17 frame startup, -24 on block)
                        -Hits overhead, hard knockdowns

-Mu no Tsuchi (hcb+B) from Aragami
-Hits low, has a lot of startup and is used mostly to play the high/low game, sweeps opponent if hit.

--Hikigane (hcb+B) from Mu no Tsuchi
          -His KOF2k/2k1/2k2 hcb+D 'Bullet Upper', has further step in and will combo if the Mu no Tsuchi hits.
          -Super-cancellable
--Tsurube Otoshi (LP/HP) from Mu no Tsuchi
         - 'Canned' hyperhop forward into his air dwn+C command attack
         -Hits overhead

Dokugami (qcf+HP)
-18 frame startup (-8 on block and -6 on hit)
-Armor properties (can absorb an attack)
       -Possible to stuff guard cancel blowbacks using this move among other normals (Ex: St.C > qcf.LP will beat out guard cancel Blowback)
       -Due to startup, it isn't possible to use as a reversal as you'll be stuffed out and the armor doesn't kick in    immediately

Important note about MAX Mode Version:: The MAX Mode Version of Dokugami(qcf.LP+HP) also has armor properties and the armor kicks in immediately unlike the normal versions
          
           Properties:-Full armor from start to until the hitbox comes out
                           -1 full body step extra range, will cleanly combo from close C, f+B


-Tsumiyomi (hcb.HP) from Dokugami
     -9 frame startup (-13 on block and -11 on hit)
     -True blockstring
                -Has a followup into an ender (f+C > dp+HP)
                -Highly unsafe on block (-20 for both f+C and dp+HP)
                        -Mainly use this as a hit-confirm due to the risk
                        -DP Followup will whiff on block if done on crouching opponents

--Batsuyomi (f+P) from Tsumiyomi
Followup from Tsumiyomi, knocks opponent airborne. Horrendously unsafe.

---Oniyaki (dp+P) from Batsuyomi
Followup from Batsuyomi, finishes the 4 hit chain with his dp+A/C, knocks away

qcf.LK/HK
-LK version: 14 frame startup (-21 on block and -19 on hit)
                 -Has a followup (LK/HK) (-4 on block)
                        -Launches on hit
                        -Whiffs on crouching opponents on block
                        -Can be followed up with qcb.LK after the launch

-HK version: 20 frame startup (-21 on block and launches on hit
                -HK version will be the main one to confirm off of bnb's (Ex: Cr.B > Cr.A > df.D (1) > qcf.HK > stuff)
                -Has a followup (LK/HK)
                       -Can be done on meaty after a hard knockdown for solid advantage on block
                           -Be wary of DP's when attempting to meaty with this move.

hcb.LK/HK
-LK version: 15 frame startup (-11 on block and a hard knockdown on hit)
                -Main way of converting into Kyo's qcb, hcf+LP/HP super
                    -Buffers the super while doing the move at the same time, making the cancel easier by just inputting hcf.LP/HP and the move will come out

-HK version: Same startup, block advantage and knockdown as LP version
                -Travels farther than the LP version
                    -Good for converting off of a raw blowback along with the LP version (Ex: BC > hcb.HK > stuff) (BC > hcb.LK > qcf.HK  > stuff)
                    -Has Lower Body Invincibility, meaning it can go through certain lows and Iori's projectile.
                       -Some lows that hit at a higher angle may still tag Kyo
                 -
Important note about MAX Mode Version: The MAX Mode version of this move turns into a command grab

rdp+LK/HK
-LK version: 20 frame startup (-8 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
                -Can be used to hop over fireballs
                -Also used as a combo ender off of qcf.HK for a hard knockdown
                -May tend to catch people jumping as well

-HK version: 35 frame startup (-6 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
                -The arc of the jump is a bit higher and the distance is longer as well.

Important note about MAX Mode Version: The MAX Mode version is a groundbounce that allows a followup
                 -On crouching opponents, this move will not connect as a combo extender (Ex: St.C (1) > rdp.LK+HK will not connect as a combo)

dp+LP/HP
-LP version: 4 frame startup (-27 on block and launches on hit)
                 -No invulnerability/invincibility
                 -Good for Anti-airing opponents
                 -Great for converting into Kyo's qcb,hcf+LP/HP super

-HP version: 7 frame startup (-35 on block and launches on hit)
                 -Go-to reversal
                 -Has full-body invincibility
                 -Deals more damage than the LP version when all hits connect
                 -Also good for anti-airing opponents

Super Special Moves

qcb,hcf+LP/HP
-21 frame startup (-21 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
               -His main super to convert on midscreen routes
               -Level 2 version has faster startup (10 frames)
                            -Great for anti-airing opponents due to the freeze frame and good startup
                            -Charging the super will grant additional damage

qcf,qcf+LP/HP
-11 frame startup (-19 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
              -Good for easy conversions off of rekkas
              -Level 2 Version allows you to get a climax cancel conversion in the corner
              -Charging the super will grant additional damage

Climax Super Special Move

qcb,qcb+AC
-19 frame startup (-19 on block and hard knockdown on hit)
              -Has full body invincibility
              -Requires three bars unless in MAX Mode (Only costs two)
              -Can be converted off of certain specials such as Kyo's qcf.HP > hcb.HP followup

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Kyo Kusanagi / Re: Kyo Tech

« on: July 26, 2016, 08:40:06 PM »

Punish Shun'ei's qcb+A with:

https://twitter.com/ZuperKommandant/status/757959614092771328

Good punish!

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Sylvie Paula Paula / Re: Sylvie Paula Paula

« on: July 23, 2016, 12:33:32 AM »

you can end this with qcf+HK (1st hit) into super for more damage

Here's some tech videos as well:

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Kyo Kusanagi / Kyo Tech

« on: July 20, 2016, 04:23:39 AM »

Just a roundup of some of the stuff i've been posting on my youtube channel.