Street Fighter X Tekken

[Saitsuofleaves]

You do realize James Chen has fake enthusiasm every time he commentates right?  This is nothing new.  Only time I can actually tell he's having real enthusiasm is when he's orgasming when Felicia does something in Marvel.

But it seems everyone is either getting paid off to promote this game or just naturally want it to do good, almost desperate even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YSTdD_GJphM#!

Even the LUYG guys from Tekken are doing shit for this game.  So either we're underestimating the game, or everyone is just getting a ton of money for a game they don't care about.

[Xxenace]

hey if someone gave me a couple of hundred bucks to say how good justin beibers is i would do it though i would probably kill myself afterwards

[Saitsuofleaves]

...I don't blame you.  Though personally, I don't hate the dude himself, just not a fan of his push and his music, but I can appreciate how he actually worked on most of his shit, and the fact he's actually pretty good on an acoustic guitar.  Just shouldn't had gotten pushed so young.  Shit got too creepy.

Honestly, you can make that point for a lot of things, at least on my end where, I don't hate the thing itself, but its circumstances, like overhype or things of that nature.

[sibarraz]

The hate for bieber at times seems more like ''dude, see how smart I'm to not listen commercial music'' rather than an objective critical music, if you really hate a little brat to the point to see him death in exchange to revive another musician foryour choice than you must be really retarded (not against xxenace, but more against the whole internet in general)

Personally, I don't like bieber (even tough baby is a little catchy) but I just don't care to mention him as the reason on why music is dead and new generations are dumber (even though imo those who care about him in a bad way are as dumber as the kids from today)

But well, back to topic, I don't understand Capcom, yesterday in WNF they did everything possible to NOT sell me the game, the faux enthusiasm  from gems chen, to the random twitter or mike ross loving the game, to scramble mode being billed almost as something that your casual friends will love, everything was stupid and did not sold me the game

Scramble seems like tag mode in MK9, something loltastic the first day but that I will not bother to look afterwards, and the comparission of smash is stupid, since smash gets you lots of more options and funny things to do when you had 3 more friends

Is like Capcom is focusing TOO much in the FGC hoping that casuals are a given, they had showed us top players loving the game as the next coming of jesus, but hadn't showed anything interesting about the fighting game per se, I don't even know how the game should be played, and overall feel really poor, maybe I will still buy it since I love fighting games, but I can see myself waiting too much until I buy it

[Saitsuofleaves]

Well the way I see it is...probably not best to look at prerelease tourneys as anything big anyway.  I think the first couple of weeks we actually have the game out will help.

Hell, look at Vanilla Marvel.  Within a week JWong created Team BFF with Wolvie/Akuma, a team that would go on to dominate the game up along with the lead bitch until Ultimate dropped.  With ALL of this prerelease time we're getting, I think we'll find out how the game will be early on, but not until release.

[Proto Cloud]

You guys can take your love for Bieber to another thread, okay.

But yeah, like I said, it felt WAY too much like an informercial, down to explaining everything, fake enthusiasm, explaining in depth about a product that they don't have, customer "hype" and isn't even out yet and putting way too much emphasis on pointless additions.

Personally, I've seen Gems Chen enough to tell when he's sincere and when he's not. Here, he was getting excited over the most pointless nonsense. Not even Marvel gets him this ecstatic. Ultradavid was doing the same thing.

The real kicker for me was the twitter comments being filtered for mindless morons. They couldn't even have someone say, "Well this looks interesting...", no they went for "OMFG!!1! BEST GAEM EVAR GAIS!!!" "SCRAMBLE MODE LOOKS AWESUM!!!". Even Mike Ross, who I love dearly was part of this.

It wouldn't surprise me that Capcom would pay off top players from both the SF and TK communities to "legitimize" the game, but the problem is that they're terrible actors. I think the only person I feel that wasn't faking it would be Maximillian, because he likes just about everything.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Yeah, something seems off about the enthusiasm but I doubt Capcom's paying off EVERYONE.  Possibly some streams, and MAYBE Maximillian, but like you said I don't think they would need to since he tends to like everything.  But something just seems...off.  Especially how UltraDavid completely switched his stance not even a day later from when he was trashing on the game.  It'd be one thing if he had played it and liked it, but he even said that he was liking it EVEN THOUGH HE WASN'T PLAYING IT.  Yeah, I'm sorry but just seeing a game "get better" wouldn't be enough to change my mind after I had played it before and didn't like it, I'd need to get my hands on it first with extended time.

But everything feels just weird.  Maybe the sponsorships?  But that doesn't stop people from trashing on either SF4 or Marvel when they feel like it.  Everything has felt...somewhat manufactured to this point, even the hate.  The advertisement of the game is off, the presentation, the builds being different in different locations.  East Coast felt a little more real, but that's only because Arturo is doing his usual "I hate this game" thing so at least something feels normal.

[Running Wild]

Reminds me of a Street Fighter X Tekken stream I seen on wednesday night

[solidshark]

Unfortunately, I can see how SFxT got any kind of comparison to Beiber. Probably not bad in small doses, but the hype machine behind it requires some kind of reactive dislike for it constantly being thrown in your face.

I have no idea how and why a game that a year ago, on-paper could sell itself without gimmicks, is now filled with them. I wish I knew how much money Capcom was throwing in every direction to make this game work in selling, especially with Cross Assault. I agree with a lot of it being manufactured; this game is definitely a platform for something else, and the obvious answer is the Gems/Customization road, but I hope that's it.

[hiltzy85]

so how bad do you guys think the so-called gimmicks in the game really are?  Sure, the gems seem a bit silly, but how much do they really change gameplay?  The effects last like 15-20 seconds, and aren't really that big, in general.  The really strong ones seem to require you to activate pandora mode to turn them on, and using pandora mode doesn't seem like such a good idea.

To be fair, I don't think anybody should be surprised that there is some big, swingy comeback mechanic in the game, considering that it's coming after SFIV and marvel.

[Saitsuofleaves]

The Gems are more of a problem for the fact that something that doesn't affect the game that much takes a great amount of time to actually install onto your characters.  Now allegedly, they're going to get around this by having everyone put their gem loadouts on USB Drives, but I'd like to see that actually work, but even then it still feels like extra work to where people have to go out and buy said drives just to use your gem loadouts.  And there's still no telling how long that will take.

Pandora is just worthless.  It's not a good comeback mechanic, especially since certain characters have to be the ones near death in order to actually capitalize on Pandora combos, instead of anyone.  Instead it seems to be more of something to lock up a round to deliver more damage in your combos except...if you miscalculate health or how long your combo takes, you just screwed yourself over.  As of now there's not a SINGLE reason to use Pandora, except to possibly timer scam your opponent who used it first, which will never happen because...why even use it in the first place?

Right now for me personally, the biggest problems this game has are the fact that damage scaling is way too brutal killing some of the use of the open ended juggling you can do, and the fact that the walkspeeds are HORRENDOUSLY bad.  Like, SF4 walkspeeds seem fast by comparison.  If this is supposed to evolve into a footsies based game where one good poke can turn the tide, it makes no sense to have such shitty ass walkspeeds.

[hiltzy85]

i agree that at the present time, it looks like a lot of the cast moves very slowly.  Maybe it'll be possible to cancel out of dashes into other things to make up for it somewhat.

It IS possible to have matches using no gems, right?  I mean, if you can find people willing to do it.  The other thing is, if you know what gems you want to use, it shouldn't really take that long to put your various gem loads on the characters that you're going to pick.  I guess if you plan on using 3/4 of the cast on a regular basis, then yes, it'll be time consuming, but still...If you're just going online to play a few games, or playing with friends, it shouldn't be that big of a deal, I wouldn't think.

As for pandora, I don't really see the point in it either, unless some of the characters have really, really good supers and EX moves, considering you get to use them for free.

[Saitsuofleaves]

You can play without them, and I believe UFGT7 has them banned at the moment, but it seems everyone's trying to push them so hard.  I don't think there's a major that close to SFxT's release (I'll have to check) so it shouldn't be a big deal, locals should be able to test them to see if they're more trouble than they're worth or not.  Since we have time, we can wait on their fate.

Pandora, even if you have a really good Super, it can't take longer than like...3 seconds otherwise you're screwed anyway.  Like, Gigas Breaker takes freaking forever.  Lili's is pretty long too.

[hiltzy85]

yeah...by good super, I mean like shinkuu hadouken (which I think just does a bunch of hits and damage, regardless of where it hits from).  Unless of course, the timer stops for the dramatic scene that most supers lead to...

[Saitsuofleaves]

The only thing is, the only supers that really just hit like that are Shinku Hadoken, Yoga Inferno and Sonic Hurricane if I remember correctly.  Every other Super in the game goes into some kind of animation after hit/grab.

And no the Timer doesn't stop.  Which is why if someone uses a Super on a Pandora user, you effectively timer scam them for free.  Of course, just touching them is a free timer scam.