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Andy Bogard (Console)
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:13:53 AM »


Notation
;a = Light Punch
;b = Light Kick
;c = Strong Punch
;d = Strong Kick

* = EX version possible

Throw
Kakaekomi Nage - ;bk / ;fd +  ;c / ;d

Command Normals
Hirateuchi - ;fd + ;a

 ;b , ;d
This is Andy's chain combo.

Throws
Kakaekomi Nage - ;bk / ;fd + ;c / ;d

Command Normals
Hirateuchi - ;fd + ;a

Special Moves
Shoryudan - ;dp + ;a / ;c *

Hishoken - ;qcb + ;a / ;c *

Kuuhaden - ;hcf + ;b / ;d  *
  ∟ Brake - ;b ;d

Zaneiken - (charge) ;db, ;fd + ;a / ;c *

Desperation Moves
Choreppadan - ;qcb ;hcf + ;b / ;d *

Gekihishoken - ;dn ;df ;fd ;fd ;df ;dn ;db ;bk  + ;a / ;c

Neomax
ChoShinSoku Zaneiken - ;qcb ;hcf + ;a ;c (ground or air)

Andy's Wiki entry.

Console changes:
* Normal/high jump D has better hitbox for use in crossups.
* Close C hits twice. The first hit has no knockback so his Hirate Uchi (forward + A) will combo without whiffing.
* B>D is a chain combo. Can be canceled.
* Chou Reppadan’s (qcb~hcf+K) damage has been increased from 162 to 198.
- EX Kuhadan’s invincibility (Ex hcf K) has been taken out.
* Chou Shin Soku Zan’eiken (qcb~hcf+AC) NeoMax comes out faster.

Producer Yamamoto says: We’ve focused on buffing him up around his cancelable chains, two hit C, and crossups. In particular, you no longer have to worry about his Hirate Uchi whiffing from close C. His Neomax is very fast so please check it out.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 07:05:50 PM by nilcam »

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 05:14:06 AM »
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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 05:14:12 AM »
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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 03:58:22 AM »
Wow, still no posts on this thread about Andy?  But he's buffed after being top 5 in Arcade.  And he's a Ninja...NINJA!!!!!
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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 10:08:22 PM »
Even though Andy is my point I've been neglecting his combos, working on him now.

Got a very nice 1 bar 1 drive combo that works from about midscreen all the way up to the corner.

;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx  ;db ;fd ;c DC ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d, ;db ;fd ;a + ;c, ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c

455 for this one (470 if you start with ;d, ;fd ;a) which I think is pretty insane for 1 bar and 1 drive, but it is quite easy to miss the  ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b if you mistime it.

Oh and another tip, if you want to throw out a Hail Mary Neomax always do it off the ground. If you Tiger Knee it (as close to the ground as possible) you will land directly in front of your opponent with a frame advantage. If you do it higher you'll go through them and they probably won't be able to punish you after that either.

Okay, combo list:

[0 Stock, 0 Drive]

;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;dn ;db ;bk ;a (181 dmg, 19 stun) Safest, outside of the corner = best postition for hyper jump crossup ;d on hit or block

;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;db ;fd ;c (198 dmg, 21 stun)

(Into corner) ;d, ;fd ;a xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d, ;db ;fd ;a, ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (305 dmg, 41 stun)!!!

(Corner only) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (242 dmg, 29 stun)

(Stand only) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b (213 dmg, 25 stun) You need to be point blank for this

(Into corner, stand only) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b,  ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (266 dmg, 33 stun) Need to time the DP quite well to get all 3 hits

;d, ;fd ;a xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;d (232 dmg, 29 stun)

(Into corner) ;d, ;fd ;a xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b, ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (263 dmg, 33 stun) Again you need to time the DP to get all 3 hits

(Opponent in corner) ;dn ;db ;bk ;a, ;db ;fd ;c (136 dmg, 14 stun) You need to be perfectly spaced about 2/3 of the screen away for this, directly under the word 'Guard' in 'Guard Gauge', if ;db ;fd ;c is blocked you're too close, if it whiffs, too far.

[1 Stock, 0 Drive]

;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b + ;d, ;dn ;d (stand 330 dmg, crouch 314 dmg, 20 stun)

;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;dn ;df ;fd ;df ;dn ;db ;bk ;a (313 dmg, 13 stun) Opponent cannot tech roll

(Corner only) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;db ;fd ;a + ;c ;fd ;dn ;df ;c (356 dmg, 23 stun)

(Into corner) ;d, ;fd ;a xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d, ;db ;fd ;a + ;c, ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c (416 dmg, 35 stun)

(Into corner) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;dn ;db ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c (339 dmg, 23 stun) Works from around midscreen

(Into corner, crouch only) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;dn ;db ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b, ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (341 dmg, 29 stun) Same as the last combo, only works if opponent was crouching

(Into corner) ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b + ;d, ;db ;fd ;a, ;fd ;dn ;df ;a (343 dmg, 29 stun) Don't have to be in the corner to start this one, but you do need to be closer to it than the last couple of combos

(Into corner) ;d, ;fd ;a xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d, ;dn ;db ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c (358 dmg, 27 stun) You'll need to use the ;fd in the super motion to walk forward slightly or this will not work

;dn ;db ;bk ;a, ;db ;fd ;a + ;c (202 dmg, 6 stun) Works midscreen about 2/3 to 3/4 away from opponent, also functions as a true blockstring

(Opponent in corner) ;dn ;db ;bk ;a, ;db ;fd ;a + ;c, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c (314 dmg, 16 stun)

(Opponent in corner) ;dn ;db ;bk ;a, ;dn ;db ;bk ;a + ;c (174 dmg, 6 stun) Also functions as a true blockstring, I'm just putting this here because it works...

More still to come

Oh, and a combo video:
The King of Fighters XIII: Andy Combo Video

And the lethality of Andy putting you anywhere near the corner:
The King of Fighters XIII: Andy's Meter Gain = Pain
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 03:54:09 AM by Mienaikage »

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 08:46:19 AM »
It is ok to do Zan'eiken as a half-circle forward? It seems more natural to me, just wondering if doing the input like that would mess up any more advanced combos he has.

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2011, 02:31:06 PM »
It is ok to do Zan'eiken as a half-circle forward? It seems more natural to me, just wondering if doing the input like that would mess up any more advanced combos he has.

You wouldn't be able to DC into a fireball, instead you'll end up with a super.

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 03:30:59 AM »
It is ok to do Zan'eiken as a half-circle forward? It seems more natural to me, just wondering if doing the input like that would mess up any more advanced combos he has.

You wouldn't be able to DC into a fireball, instead you'll end up with a super.

This is true, but I also use hcf instead of the proper input for the elbow, and I've never really felt the need to use the fireball DC. Has it ever come up? The hcf input just feels far more natural for me as well.

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 03:32:43 AM »
I was gonna say, why would that problem arise?  I don't think I've ever seen the need to DC into his FB from Zan'ei Ken.

It's usually into Braked Spin Kicks or EX Zan'ei Ken.
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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 06:18:12 AM »
Yeah I can do it just fine the way it's supposed to be done. Just curious.

I agree with the above posters though, when would you ever do that into a fireball?

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 04:18:49 PM »
Haven't finished my combo list yet unfortunately, you do need the right positioning for it so it's pretty situational but just outside the corner you can land a 2 stock 1 drive combo for 503 damage with the use of a DC fireball.

 ;dn ;b, ;b, ;d xx ;db ;fd ;a + ;c xx ;dn ;db ;bk ;a, ;db ;fd ;a + ;c, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c

Still exploring so it might not be the best, but it is something. I don't write anything off until it's all been tried and tested :P I may have demonstrated a 1 stock 1 drive combo for 514 damage on video, but 2 key points is that a jump-in is included for that one and also no low moves are used, which is a key element in landing a combo in the first place.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2012, 04:59:03 PM by Mienaikage »

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 04:36:41 AM »
What are his best/most practical midscreen and corner HD combos?

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 10:19:18 AM »
I would say his most practical HD combo is any of his main BnB strings:
;dn ;b, ;b, ;d
;c, ;fd ;c
;d, ;fd ;a

HD from there and either go into:
;d, ;fd ;a
;c, ;fd ;a (less damage but a little easier)

Followed by:
;db ;fd ;c xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d xx ;db ;fd ;c xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d xx ;db ;fd ;c xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d xx ;db ;fd ;c xx ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;b xx ;b + ;d xx ;db ;fd ;c, ;fd ;dn ;df ;c xx ;dn ;db ;bk ;db ;dn ;df ;fd ;a + ;c

5x Zan'eiken looped with 4x Kuuhaden break, followed by C DP into Neomax

This will net you damage in the range of 770-840 (off the top of my head) depending on what you start with. It works anywhere on the screen because you'll carry them all the way to the corner for the DP regardless of where you start. Only uses 2 stock as well, plus hit confirmation is extremely easy. Definitely one of Andy's most practical combos.

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 06:38:27 PM »
Is Andy a good anchor? I'm a total noob to this game, but it seems like he can get some major damage and pressure with his EX moves.

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Re: Andy Bogard (Console)
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 06:48:36 PM »
Is Andy a good anchor? I'm a total noob to this game, but it seems like he can get some major damage and pressure with his EX moves.

I think it depends on the rest of your characters. He can easily be a good anchor, but 5 stock seems a little overkill for him unless you intend to use a lot of EX fireballs. I use him on point personally.