Vice (Arcade Version)

[Aenthin]

A great display of how deadly Vice can get.

Ahahaha! Oh gawd that last combo! I didn't think using 7 meters in a single combo was possible.

And btw, punishing projectiles using her NeoMax is extremely satisfying. xD

[Kane317]

A great display of how deadly Vice can get.

Ahahaha! Oh gawd that last combo! I didn't think using 7 meters in a single combo was possible.

And btw, punishing projectiles using her NeoMax is extremely satisfying. xD

Her NM is just straight-up nasty; it punishes ANYTHING.

[quash]

alright, so a couple things.

first off, is there any distance where weak shoulder is safe on block? i tried doing cr.B x3 weak shoulder as a blockstring (98 style baby!) but i got punished.

also, is it optimal to dreamcancel shoulder into ex dacide? or are there better ways to do (metered) damage off of cr.B?

[FataCon]

Now, from my experience (which isn't saying much compared to the other Vice players around here), don't worry about drive cancelling anything when using Vice outside of HD.

Mayhem (tackle) is not safe on block regardless of your setup. Focus on mixing up your grabs/low pokes/overhead instead of blockstrings, since her moves aren't really optimized for that utility.

If you really want to use meter, you can do combos involving EX Decide (arm grab) which basically sets up combo loops till you run out of meter. More often than not, you can be doing cr.B, cr.B, s.B, qcb+A~qcf+A/C *optional supercancel to Overkill*, which does decent damage off of a poke confirm without having to use meter (if you chose not to Overkill). If you land an overhead, you get a free EX tackle to tackle-splash juggle. Ending with a splash is usually a positive for Vice since the opponent can't safe fall (roll recover), which lets you set up your oki: dash low, dash throw/command throw, arm grab, splash, empty jump/jump-in, bait something, etc.

You'll really want to save meter for EX arm combos or EX tackles to break through stuff though. Vice is limited in options when she has no meter, so keep in mind that she should be saving it for either big combos or to get herself out of defensive situations.

EDIT: crossed out incorrect information as stated by Kane317.

[davidkong07]

hey does anyone know the exact properties of EX command grab? does it have invincible frames?

[Aenthin]

hey does anyone know the exact properties of EX command grab? does it have invincible frames?

I'm not sure, considering it's a 1-frame grab, which means you could probably grab an opponent in the middle of a move anyway (like Kim's EX Hangetsuzan >_< ). The only properties I know regarding her EX grab is that it has longer reach and slightly more damage.

[Kane317]

hey does anyone know the exact properties of EX command grab? does it have invincible frames?

Increase range, it probably has the farthest range of all Ex throws IIRC; her Gore Fest is already a 1 frame throw.

[marchefelix]

Can Splash catch a person in the air?

[Kane317]

Can Splash catch a person in the air?

Nope

[Aenthin]

Can you super cancel a stand-alone Splash though (cause I know you can super cancel the Splash follow-up)?

[Kane317]

Can you super cancel a stand-alone Splash though (cause I know you can super cancel the Splash follow-up)?

Unless you hit them super high (juggle), it's unlikely you'll have time.  Even hitting them super high I doubt you can get there in time due to the recovery of the Mayhem.

[Remzi]

hey does anyone know the exact properties of EX command grab? does it have invincible frames?

Increase range, it probably has the farthest range of all Ex throws IIRC; her Gore Fest is already a 1 frame throw.

Actual technical reference.
「KOF XIII Technical Reference」 chapter 8　～八神チーム～
Why watch the reuploaded video?

As for the range, you're probably right.

[marchefelix]

Can Splash catch a person in the air?

Nope

Not even the EX version?

[Kane317]

Can Splash catch a person in the air?

Nope :(l

Not even the EX version?

It's not an air grab.  Think of it like B.Mary's or O.Yashiro's move but faster (without the follow up)

[Aenthin]

Can you super cancel a stand-alone Splash though (cause I know you can super cancel the Splash follow-up)?

Unless you hit them super high (juggle), it's unlikely you'll have time.  Even hitting them super high I doubt you can get there in time due to the recovery of the Mayhem.

I was thinking more of the lines of using it on meeting with a jumping opponent and you happened to use Splash.