Tier lists and Character Discussion Thread

[LouisCipher]

I guarantee the only reason you're saying this is because A) You haven't faced a good Athena or B) You're still salty about online Athenas and by proxy will never give an Athena any credit because it doesn't involve rushdown.

A wise man once said: I calls 'ems likes I sees 'ems.

[Saitsuofleaves]

I guarantee the only reason you're saying this is because A) You haven't faced a good Athena or B) You're still salty about online Athenas and by proxy will never give an Athena any credit because it doesn't involve rushdown.

A wise man once said: I calls 'ems likes I sees 'ems.

Considering your history of calls via your eyesight, I stand by my statement.

[LouisCipher]

If you can show me a tournament where an Athena player dominates I'll eat my words. Until then, fat chance little buddy.

And again there's nothing about Athena that sticks out. She has no X factor. There's way better zoning characters and way better hybrid characters with command grabs.

[Saitsuofleaves]

If you can show me a tournament where an Athena player dominates I'll eat my words. Until then, fat chance little buddy.

And again there's nothing about Athena that sticks out. She has no X factor. There's way better zoning characters and way better hybrid characters with command grabs.

I can show you a tournament for Marvel 3 where Phoenix Wright wins.  Tournament results don't mean shit, if you honestly believe Athena is low tier, then any tourney shouldn't change your mind.

[LouisCipher]

I said dominate, not win once.

[Hungry Color]

If you can show me a tournament where an Athena player dominates I'll eat my words. Until then, fat chance little buddy.

And again there's nothing about Athena that sticks out. She has no X factor. There's way better zoning characters and way better hybrid characters with command grabs.

I'm not sure why beating everyone in a tournament would be the only proof for Athena being good. There are plenty of other characters that haven't dominated in tournaments that we in fact already know are really good.

[Reiki.Kito]

Wut.

3F reversal DM? Beats safe jumps? Sign me up!

[Saitsuofleaves]

I said dominate, not win once.

Justin dominated a major with Iron Fist.  Want me to keep going?

[Tikok]

Wut.

3F reversal DM? Beats safe jumps? Sign me up!

Another interesting trait of her DM is that since it only does one hit, it gets quite a nice damage boost when it hits counter, which happens very often.

[desmond_kof]

Justin Wong also got 2nd place at UFGT with Athena. Yeah, he didn't do well against Romance, but he did against other seasoned players by just using annoying and basic tactics.

[LouisCipher]

Justin dominated a major with Iron Fist.  Want me to keep going?

Now we're getting into semantics.

1: He was using Iron Fist when the game was still fairly young.

2: It's Justin Wong in Marvel... Come on.

3: It's Marvel, you could do well with practically any character if you have the right team. It doesn't apply to KOF.

4: Jwong was using Athena when the game was young and there weren't high level players that knew what they were doing. As soon as he used Athena against people who knew KOF he was done.

5: To use a 3rd Strike example. Just because Kuroda or TM are absolutely amazing Q players that do amazingly well in tournaments and Ranbats doesn't mean that Q is a really good character. Q is a really bad character and it's a struggle to win with him even if you know what you're doing.

Take for example Bala using Joe. You can't say that a character is good just because a gdlk player will use him from time to time. Bala is at that level and can make Joe (a relatively low tier character, let's be honest here) work for him. How many other people have done nearly as well with Joe? Just saying. I'm not saying Joe is bad, but it can be hard to win with him.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Then why would it take a dominant performance from someone to change your mind?

If Athena is low tier to you then NOTHING should change your mind. 

[LouisCipher]

Well, you're the one trying to prove she's good and using JWong as an example and I'm poking holes in your theory.

Athena is low, but if I see a specialist like Kauro (just for example) rape with her, then yeah. I will eat my words. If nothing would ever change my mind than that would be a limited way of thinking. I'm open to being proven wrong but I've yet to see that proof. Show me the money.

That Maxima player surprised me for sure, I'd still say that Maxi is hard to win with but that guy using him was fucking amazing.

[Saitsuofleaves]

I'm not trying to prove she's good because I have nothing to prove to you.  You can believe whatever you want for all I care. 

[desmond_kof]

I'm not trying to prove she's good because I have nothing to prove to you.  You can believe whatever you want for all I care. 

Yeah, exactly...everyone is entitled to their opinions no matter how ridiculous they are...and to be honest, who cares?