The King of Fighters 2002/Neowave/UM/Tougeki General Discussion Thread

[Mr Bakaboy]

Cause I'm sure I'm not the only one who is wondering, but why do you guys think that even with UM out, a lot of countries and tons of players still prefer OG2k2 to UM? I recently played OG2k2 and the game is still a lot of fun to playa nd also feels a bit faster compared to UM.

but there has to be a reason why OG2k2 gets so much play even to this day.

From what I heard a few things though I am not 100% sure on this 2nd hand info.

1st A Neo Geo MVS is way easier to afford in an arcade. Buying the new system to get UM does not appeal to a lot of arcade operators who are on a tight budget.

2nd GGPO community for OG2k2 is pretty established. There are a lot of problems with the online on UM and many don't want to deal with it. They would rather stick to the original on GGPO instead

3rd This one I am not positive on but I have heard a few complaints about the balance on UM. Some say 2k2 is better balance wise though to me I really don't know about that.

[desmond_kof]

A few new master classes:

Robert

http://www.youtube.com/v/gofgBF1LKAg?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

Takuma

http://www.youtube.com/v/9PDjKkFCrq8?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

Orochi Shermie

http://www.youtube.com/v/t3kpHdX5HUo?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

Mai

http://www.youtube.com/v/1PMAotQohsQ?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

And here are a few more:
Omega Rugal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiu1RKv2gJY
MISC session
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCbJOtjcUHw
Kyo-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21aPF0OfC4E
Maxima (parts 1 to 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hchC1FqEyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsotPMtGmt0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4OOscSuTms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGZBtKwY1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTy9CpP02UU

[Rex Dart]

GodDAMN, Maxima gets 5 PARTS? WTF? I thought even Angel got one part.

[omegaryuji]

Jhun, Angel, and May Lee all have 1, while Bao, Seth, Ramon, and I think Chin have 2, and Maxima has 5.  Someone likes cyborg lumberjack Elvis.... *laughs*

[Dark Geese]

Updated Ciudad Juarez, Mexico Tier List:

So let me post what I can of the Mexican Tier List (Juarez, Mexico at least):

S Class:

Geese, K', Kasumi, Nameless, Angel, King, Jhun, Chris (w/infinite)

A Class:

Takuma/EX, Goenitz, Heidern, Yuri, Hinako, Xiangfei, Iori, Leona, O.Chris, Robert/EX, Billy, Choi, Clark, Benimaru, Kula, Andy, Bao, Mature, Whip, Seth, Mary, Vice, Kusanagi, O. Yashiro

B Class:

Terry, Lin, Ryo, Kim, Daimon, Foxy, Vanessa, Kyo-2, Mai, Yamazaki, Orochi Shermie,  Athena, Ramon, May Lee, Maxima, Kyo-1, Kyo, Ralf

C Class:

Shingo, Shermie, Chang, Kensou/EX, Chin

[Amedø310]

Updated Ciudad Juarez, Mexico Tier List:

So let me post what I can of the Mexican Tier List (Juarez, Mexico at least):

S Class:

Geese, K', Kasumi, Nameless, Angel, King, Jhun, Chris (w/infinite)

A Class:

Takuma/EX, Heidern, Yuri, Hinako, Xiangfei, Iori, Leona, O.Chris, Robert/EX, Billy, Choi, Clark, Benimaru, Kula, Andy, Bao, Mature, Whip, Seth, Vice

B Class:

Terry, Lin, Ryo, O. Yashiro, Kusanagi, Daimon, Foxy, Vanessa, Kyo-2, Mai, Yamazaki, Orochi Shermie,  Athena, Ramon, May Lee, Maxima, Kyo-1

C Class:

Shingo, Shermie, Chang, Kensou/EX, Chin

Hell yeah, Kyo-1 went up. Maybe because of his corner damage with easy 1 bar max mode? Also,  is Kyo in a tier all on his own now?

[Dark Geese]

Updated Ciudad Juarez, Mexico Tier List:

So let me post what I can of the Mexican Tier List (Juarez, Mexico at least):

S Class:

Geese, K', Kasumi, Nameless, Angel, King, Jhun, Chris (w/infinite)

A Class:

Takuma/EX, Heidern, Yuri, Hinako, Xiangfei, Iori, Leona, O.Chris, Robert/EX, Billy, Choi, Clark, Benimaru, Kula, Andy, Bao, Mature, Whip, Seth, Vice

B Class:

Terry, Lin, Ryo, O. Yashiro, Kusanagi, Daimon, Foxy, Vanessa, Kyo-2, Mai, Yamazaki, Orochi Shermie,  Athena, Ramon, May Lee, Maxima, Kyo-1

C Class:

Shingo, Shermie, Chang, Kensou/EX, Chin

Hell yeah, Kyo-1 went up. Maybe because of his corner damage with easy 1 bar max mode? Also,  is Kyo in a tier all on his own now?

Kyo-1 at least has something, at least the way I see Juarez and Chihuahua people play him, he can be used effectively with the level 1 or without. The problem with that Level 1 combo you are talking about is how are you going to land it if you are just trying to do it straight forward? How I mean by that is just going from St.C to f+a to super most veterans are going to block that with ease. If you watch the stream where i was playing vs. Desmond with Kyo-1 you will see how I use him to land that combo and I do it off manual activation with level 1 to mixup a low into it or other things that I can do off manual activation that I cannot do while not in activation mode.

Regular Kyo is B Class as well...

[desmond_kof]

How come Clark got bumped to A? Wasn't he at B?

[omegaryuji]

Changes from the list DG posted in April:

Up (all previously midtier unless noted otherwise):
-Chris added to S
-Vanessa added to B
-Yamazaki added to B
-Foxy added to B
-Terry added to B
-Xiangfei added to A
-Kyo-1 added to B
-Mary up to A from B
-Seth up to A from B

Down:
-EX Takuma dropped to A from S
-Ryo dropped to B from A
-May Lee dropped to B from A
-Shingo dropped to C from B

-Unlisted on the updated list: Edit: updated to include everyone from here, thanks DG
-Unlisted on the previous list: Shermie, Chang

[Dark Geese]

I also did some editing Kim should stay B Class where he B-Longs...Goenitz A Class, Mary rises to A Class.

Alexis-Style and Juarez style Clark is very strong,  he should've been A Class in the older Tier List I probably made a mistake, he can fight almost anyone in the game  as his Jump A is very abusable (right Desmond remember?) and his BC combo which ends in his Grab Super is still very very good. Clark as a whole is a great counter character for a lot of the characters in the game, and he has very very good normals. He is much better than Ralf and is a good counter character against Nameless!

Also all the ones unlisted are now on the Tier list!

[omegaryuji]

Comparison updated with your latest update.  Also added Kyo-1's rise (missed him before).

Clark was A class on the previous list as well.

Out of curiosity, what made Mary rise to A?  She seems solid overall if you're able to get past her initial awkwardness, but I'm not seeing what she has that's strong enough to rank with characters like Heidern or O. Chris (then again, I'm rather bad at this game, but hey, that's why I'm asking questions *laughs* )

[sibarraz]

Which BC combo of clark?

[elrosa]

Um, i have a random question...

In a tourney, is it legal to pick Kensou and EX Kensou on the same team? Or Takuma and EX Takuma, or Robert and EX robert....?

[Remzi]

elrosa, it's not possible, I don't think.

I'm sure it would be legal if it was possible though. :3

[elrosa]

elrosa, it's not possible, I don't think.

I'm sure it would be legal if it was possible though. :3

Yea you're right, i forgot to mention it, on PS2 you can, on Arcade you can't....

Assuming the tourney is played on PS2, would it be legal?