funny thing thoug, i cant stand s/sf4 at all @ higher levels when facing turtles. RB2 is probably one of the few games thats as turtle as sf4 series but it doesn't suck at all. (sfa series, sf2 series, kof 94&95, ss series) lots of series involve turtling to the max, but i think what seperates from those lesser fun games is the offensive possibilities in RB2 even without tickthrows (only real flaw of rb2 imo).compared to most turtle fighters its possible to close the gabs much easier thanx to the game system of rb2. i honestly enjoy rb2 over any other ff game (this series has top notch games to boot, from FFS and onward every FF game is dope).