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Quote from: jinxhand on August 02, 2011, 06:41:02 PMSo knowing what we know, regardless of region, can't we just "compile" this information, and simply make a strength chart based on that collected data??? I'm sure there are things that we know in this region versus some other region, but that's where threads like these come into play, where we from all regions come together to share knowledge about Violent Ken for example. It's not like one cat is writing up a tier list. Things like these involve community effort, and while it does take time and dedication (testing, actual match info, etc), it's one of those things that can truly be rewarding in the sense of knowing that 1 community of players broke each character down unraveling all the ins and outs and knowing pretty much the majority of the game (I say majority because there's still room for new discoveries within a game [i.e.- MvC2, SFEX2, 02UM, MoTW]).This also doesn't mean that this non-region tier list can't change, which in this case, should very well change with the wealth of info shared; it might even evolve moreso than that of a region-based tier list. I take SF4AEOMGBBQ for instance. It's without a doubt that on any region or non-region tier list, its agreed that Yun is tops... Just on what he can do alone combo-wise, he's top (but beatable!!!). But I feel that the SF community goes by something that's less region based, and more based on matchups and what 'X' character can/can't do. I feel that's the best way to look at things, because quite honestly, a top tier player can make a low tier character look unbeatable, even with the worst of matchups. That doesn't mean that anyone can easily pick that said character up and crush in an instant. However, it just merely means that though this character is weak based on what he/she can/can't do, the player themselves put their skills toward winning with that character. That doesn't mean that character becomes top tier all of a sudden though. I feel like region tiers tend to put the player on the tier list and not the character themselves, but I digress...I haven't played this game in months, and I'm planning on getting back into this, and a bunch of other games... Why is Red Arremer banned??? I know about Athena (oh mierda!!) but R.A., I don't remember him being so-- "banned tier"... If a Universal Tier list is one in which for roughly 95% of places the same characters would be in the same Tier List, then The Universal Tier List would look like this then:SSS:Shin Akuma, Red Arremer, Goddess AthenaSS:ROB Iori, Serious Mr. KarateS: Zero, GeeseThe rest would be for debate.... and become Regionalized..R.A. is stronger than Goddess Athena..G.A. has a lot of openings for punish...As far as traditional SvC Chaos tournaments, it was a free for all...meaning everyone was legal..but that also led to the games premature doom early...So with the SvC Revival, trying to add some structure back to things to encourage more diversity...
So knowing what we know, regardless of region, can't we just "compile" this information, and simply make a strength chart based on that collected data??? I'm sure there are things that we know in this region versus some other region, but that's where threads like these come into play, where we from all regions come together to share knowledge about Violent Ken for example. It's not like one cat is writing up a tier list. Things like these involve community effort, and while it does take time and dedication (testing, actual match info, etc), it's one of those things that can truly be rewarding in the sense of knowing that 1 community of players broke each character down unraveling all the ins and outs and knowing pretty much the majority of the game (I say majority because there's still room for new discoveries within a game [i.e.- MvC2, SFEX2, 02UM, MoTW]).This also doesn't mean that this non-region tier list can't change, which in this case, should very well change with the wealth of info shared; it might even evolve moreso than that of a region-based tier list. I take SF4AEOMGBBQ for instance. It's without a doubt that on any region or non-region tier list, its agreed that Yun is tops... Just on what he can do alone combo-wise, he's top (but beatable!!!). But I feel that the SF community goes by something that's less region based, and more based on matchups and what 'X' character can/can't do. I feel that's the best way to look at things, because quite honestly, a top tier player can make a low tier character look unbeatable, even with the worst of matchups. That doesn't mean that anyone can easily pick that said character up and crush in an instant. However, it just merely means that though this character is weak based on what he/she can/can't do, the player themselves put their skills toward winning with that character. That doesn't mean that character becomes top tier all of a sudden though. I feel like region tiers tend to put the player on the tier list and not the character themselves, but I digress...I haven't played this game in months, and I'm planning on getting back into this, and a bunch of other games... Why is Red Arremer banned??? I know about Athena (oh mierda!!) but R.A., I don't remember him being so-- "banned tier"...
Yeah the throw range was kinda wonky in the game.. alot of throws wiff..But one thing I did like is constantly mashing p+k to get a throw out of. desperation will wiff alot and you'll burn alot of meter. I kinda like that so people have to use the throws more properly and time them better.
Is it just me, or is it difficult to get meter with Akuma/Shin Akuma?They seem to build meter kinda slow.
Quote from: marchefelix on August 13, 2011, 10:46:49 PMIs it just me, or is it difficult to get meter with Akuma/Shin Akuma?They seem to build meter kinda slow.Not necessarily..if you play him the way I play him it's pretty easy to build meter.
I've been having an urge to play this again with people. Is there a save state anyone has on GGPO? I'd like to try having a go at it again.