Command Throw Speed

[ChiNum]

A few things I noticed when testing out the casts command throws:

Weirdness
Is Hwa Jai's Dragon Backbreaker really a 1 frame throw? The patch notes say so
* Weak Dragon Backbreaker is now a 1F throw instead of a leaping throw
but testing vs Kyo's B upkicks (-1 on block as far as i know), it cannot punish the move on block, you can jump out, WTF?

Coolness
Delayed but invincible grabs can do some fun stuff like anti-air jump ins as well as reversal a bunch of moves
I figured Daimon probably could do this with his kick command throw but didn't know Athena's command throw worked the same

Wakeup Invincibility?
Seems you are able to take actions for a few frames on wakeup while still remaining invincible. So grabs under a certain number of frames can just reversal anyone standing next to you trying to attack meaty on your wakeup
Tested with sweep into meaty EX DM with Athena in the corner. I Don't know if there is a way to get an even meatier attack than that?
For example Shen Woo's Ex Command Throw, despite not being a 1 frame grab can still grab her clean out of the DM. Regular command throw leads to Shen getting counter-hit

Anyone know a move that's -2 on block?
For the few moves that can punish Kyo D upkicks but can't punish B upkicks. They must be 2 or 3 frames, would be interested to know which

Data: Throws under 4 frames below
Throws not listed such as Kyo, Takuma etc are 4 frames or over
Normal throws seem to be 1 frame i.e. can punish B upkicks on block given the right timing/spacing. As far as I know that can be throw-broken though

		Moves That Punish B Upkicks (-1?)		Moves That Punish D Upkicks (-3?)
Benimaru		Command Throw, EX Command Throw
Daimon		Punch Command Throw, EX Punch Command Throw, Super Command Throw, EX Super Command Throw
Ash		Neomax
Saiki		Super Command Throw, Ex Super Command Throw
Vice		Command Throw, EX Command Throw, Super Command Throw, EX Super Command Throw
Duo Lon		Neomax
Shen Woo				Ex Command Throw
Hwa Jai				Super Command Throw
Raiden		Command Throw, EX Command Throw, Super Command Throw, EX Super Command Throw
Yuri		B Command Throw
Maxima		B Command Throw
Athena				Ex Command Throw
Kensou		Super Command Throw
Clark		D Command Throw, EX Command Throw, Super Command Throw, EX Super Command Throw

[Reiki.Kito]

Some of the stuff has changed, but it's a good jumping point and proves most of your theories. Have at it!

http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=1194.0