The King of Fighters XIII General Discussion Thread

[4leaf]

There's only two Raiden users at AI. If they decide not to use him, it's only to cater to the Youtube whiners.

[metaphysics]

As a testament to Raidens godliness how about I ( the very UN-godly player) picks him up and plays him in the tournament I mean theoretically It should close the gap against most right?

[krazykone123]

There's only two Raiden users at AI. If they decide not to use him, it's only to cater to the Youtube whiners.

Well it's up to you guys, regardless if someone uses Raiden or not the youtube peanut gallery will find something to complain about anyway so it's w/e

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[Kane317]

As a testament to Raidens godliness how about I ( the very UN-godly player) picks him up and plays him in the tournament I mean theoretically It should close the gap against most right?

It might even handicap you even more believe it or not; but go ahead

[metaphysics]

Yeah It sounded like a good idea couple of hours ago lol.  I'd probly just waist my time

[fiol]

just sth i thought last night
why "ban" only raiden and no takuma (with the mask)? He has a combo that is kinda of an infinite thanks to the infinite EX. I know that his combo is more difficult than Raiden's but still "broke", dont u think so?
U can see the Takuma's combo in some taiwanese matches on youtube.. 60hits (or more,dont remember)=stun-->repeat.. sth like mature's infinite

[Terrastorm]

Wait, you guys are actually serious on this banning thing?

[Shiranui_ninja]

Wait, you guys are actually serious on this banning thing?

I don't see any problem in banning Raiden. Bosses are banned in the most of tournaments. If Raiden is broken as a boss is fair to bann him.

[THE ANSWER]

Guys Raiden is NOT BANNED! He is just not going to be used.

[sibarraz]

Wait, you guys are actually serious on this banning thing?

I don't see any problem in banning Raiden. Bosses are banned in the most of tournaments. If Raiden is broken as a boss is fair to bann him.

People are overracting with that of raiden being broken as a boss, more if we compare them to KOF boss who had priority on EVERYTHING and can spam the screen with one hundred projectiles

Raiden is god tier, no question about it, but I really doubt that is unbeateable like some people think, it's just that he is reallly hard to beat, but with some learning on the matchups and other shit, I think that he could play fine, even though I'm on the wagon that he needs to be balanced

[MUSOLINI]

god? maybe not even. dangerous as a second or 3rd character? fuck yeah.

[Kane317]

IMO Raiden isn't "god tier", he just has some hella strong toolsets that are versatile and serve him well.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, I maintain that I rather play a bunch of Raidens than K', Kula, Kyo and Lizs IMO.  (Come to think of it Kyo's not even that bad)

Guys Raiden is NOT BANNED! He is just not going to be used by the regulars.

Fixed.  I was going to add, "with self-respect" at the end, but people might think I was being serious :/

Well it's up to you guys, regardless if someone uses Raiden or not the youtube peanut gallery will find something to complain about anyway so it's w/e

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True, the complainers will always find something to complain about.

[MUSOLINI]

as a first character hes doable, but when he starts the round off with a bar or 2 and some drivecancel bars hes pretty much op. one combo, your dead. only have to wait till times reaches the 50 something mark and its on. if you got a good raiden this is pretty doable, you only sacrifice your command throw and roll, blowbackattack.

[Kane317]

as a first character hes doable, but when he starts the round off with a bar or 2 and some drivecancel bars hes pretty much op. one combo, your dead. only have to wait till times reaches the 50 something mark and its on. if you got a good raiden this is pretty doable, you only sacrifice your command throw and roll, blowbackattack.

Mind you, if he's starting the round with 2 bars and drive cancels, that means it is 2 bars and drive cancels that his first (two) characters didn't use.  Realistically, by the time you got to Raiden you were in the lead, Raiden will even it up one character or two characters by burning his stocks/cancels, and you'll fight Raiden on even terms for the final round.  A clearer example would be the people who have 5 stock and full cancel gauge by the last round is probably because his first two characters didn't use any or barely any.

It's hard to see how the stock usage dynamics come to play without playing the game...4leaf is very popular for doing Shen's 95+% combo on us in the 5th round (using 5 stocks, full cancel gauge)--but it makes sense coz he doesn't use much stocks+gauge during the first 4 rounds so it kinda balances out.  If you've played kof2K it was somewhat similar with striker usage.

Just my 2 cents.

[solidshark]

Beating Raiden under any circumstance as long as he's formidable is a plus, or is to me. Call it years of leveling up to conquer SNK bosses more easily, but beating cheap strategies or close-to-cheap with tactics just makes you a better fighter. And as dangerous as that drop kick is, I bet it handicaps players from using other decent moves he has just to exploit that. How many times has Raiden grabbed someone when he could have - not as much as he should.