Ono Interview about the Future of SF

[solidshark]

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/screwattack-ono.htm

It interesting and scary to hear SF might be split into two different types of games. I'm hoping that SF5 ends up being the hardcore game, while the casual ends up being another EX title or something; it's really, REALLY hard to accept some of the ideas he's got for the more casual game. Maybe it's even scarier to think that the community newcomers are funneled into an easier game, just for the sake of more people playing.

[Xxenace]

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/screwattack-ono.htm

It interesting and scary to hear SF might be split into two different types of games. I'm hoping that SF5 ends up being the hardcore game, while the casual ends up being another EX title or something; it's really, REALLY hard to accept some of the ideas he's got for the more casual game. Maybe it's even scarier to think that the community newcomers are funneled into an easier game, just for the sake of more people playing.

im all for another street fighter ex game ive always enjoyed the cast and the music of the ex games a lot more than the original games also why should the casuals get ex im going to go on and assume that most of don't even know of its existence

[sibarraz]

Oh mr ono, one day I will learn japanese just to ask you gently to shove your blanka figurine in your ass

Still, it was fun that the first that I saw ono giving a serious answer was because even him found stupid the idea of a MK vs SF

[MUSOLINI]

Oh mr ono, one day I will learn japanese just to ask you gently to shove your blanka figurine in your ass

Still, it was fun that the first that I saw ono giving a serious answer was because even him found stupid the idea of a MK vs SF

thats because that isnt the first time fans have asked for something like this. i think its mostly american fans though, i doubt a lot of asian fans would want something like this (unlike sfxtek or sfxkof). the 2 universes dont even fit well with each other, hence the biggest reason i dont get why people would even want to see something like this in the first place. it would look out of place and the mk cast looks terrible, i would hate to see a cool looking ninja ibuki with a lame ass like scorpion or subzero in the same game. whats worse is that sub and scorp are like the best designs mk's got, thats even worse. (at least 20 cool looking characters for the sf side imo, probably even more).

[Xxenace]

Oh mr ono, one day I will learn japanese just to ask you gently to shove your blanka figurine in your ass

Still, it was fun that the first that I saw ono giving a serious answer was because even him found stupid the idea of a MK vs SF

thats because that isnt the first time fans have asked for something like this. i think its mostly american fans though, i doubt a lot of asian fans would want something like this (unlike sfxtek or sfxkof). the 2 universes dont even fit well with each other, hence the biggest reason i dont get why people would even want to see something like this in the first place. it would look out of place and the mk cast looks terrible, i would hate to see a cool looking ninja ibuki with a lame ass like scorpion or subzero in the same game. whats worse is that sub and scorp are like the best designs mk's got, thats even worse. (at least 20 cool looking characters for the sf side imo, probably even more).

your hate for mk knows no bounds does it

[MUSOLINI]

lol no this post wasnt even about hating. mk has a serious universe (that i find lame personally) with characters and designs that absolutely dont fit with either sf or kof or most traditional 2d fighters. you dont have to dislike mk to see something this bland. even tekken vs sf is more logical. the worlds of mk and sf are too different imo, i think thats pretty easy to see. you can have your opinion but u doubt even you disagree with me on this, even if you like mk. well for one thing, mk characters could actually look good if capcom did them sf3 style and the women would actually look like women, with really big hands and even bigger feet. but ill take that over an adamsapple any day.

[Xxenace]

only reason i want a mk vs sf so i can make capcom fanboy cry like little bitches but other than that the game can FOAD

[JoeJustice]

I'm gonna have to agree with MUSOLINI on this one, I mean pitting MK characters versus SF would make about as much sense as Thundercats vs SF. Although there would be one hilarious result of a MK versus SF crossover if you think about the way Capcom's been maiming their own characters on the teaser cinematics. Instead of having Ryu beaten within an inch of his life they'd probably just go ahead and finish the job.

And going on topic... Ono can flap his gums as much as he likes about the supposed future of SF. His whole casual split scheme sounds like a giant pipedream to me and who knows if Capcom will fund TWO SF games rather than just letting the "casual" players buy the "hardcore" game anyways and just suck at it.

[The Fluke]

I agree with Musolini on the point that a sf/mk crossover would look weird, and i think i agree that if it where to be done, capcom should probably do it. Where i don't agree is what characters are cool, i find mortal kombat (especially the current one "mk9") to be way superior to any street fighter game except maybe the original sf2 in design. I think Ibuki looks incredibly silly and boring at the same time.. One of ssf4s biggest disapointments since the character did seem fun to play but turned out horribly dull.

I think mk is pretty much perfect in design now except for some female characters looking manly (Kitana especially) though that is just a minor flaw that i've pretty much gotten over. I believe the reason why some people here are bound to dislike the design of mk is because the japanese games have their design choices based on anime/manga art styles that people are used to whilst mk has its roots in movies like american ninja, blood sport and american action movie cliches in general even.

On the subject of street fighter though, i would accept a "casual" series if said series are the endless crossups they seem to want to throw at us and leave the numbered games more serious. Otherwise i would probably just ignore stuff like 3d sf games etc unless ofc they do something really special.

[solidshark]

And going on topic... Ono can flap his gums as much as he likes about the supposed future of SF. His whole casual split scheme sounds like a giant pipedream to me and who knows if Capcom will fund TWO SF games rather than just letting the "casual" players buy the "hardcore" game anyways and just suck at it.

Good point. As hard a sell as SF4 might've been, at Capcom's rate now, they'd only discuss the possibility of a casual game first and only; the hardcore concept would receive a quick "no". When the time comes, I'd invite Capcom to prove me wrong though, and not just with a re-release of an older, more challenging game.

[MUSOLINI]

lol mk looks way more japanese than sf. in fact most mk characters look like sentai ranger/masked rider/power rangers type of characters with those tight gay ass pants on. or superheroes, but most dont have the capes and /or masks. whats so japanese about a 2 meter 20+ angry thai boxer with one eye and a giant scar on his chest? i think your mistaken about that anime part, the original sf characters look more like something out of a old US action/fight movie than the mk characters. this ofcourse doesnt apply to sakura/rose and the likes, but the old sf2 cast. in fact they look like they came from the set of blood sport. while mk characters are something more like powerrangers/ugly comic book characters. and at the very least ibuki is one of the best looking female ninjas ever created, mk has manhoes. most sf characters being a bore to plsay as, especially without meter is a given though. its a boring ass turtle fighter unless you pick one of the 4 or 5 rushers, basically its turtle fighting to the max.

[sibarraz]

I don't know why ONO wants 2 games, one for casual and other for hardcores, SF IV did the job fine, the casuals could spam hadokens and had some fun, and the hardcores could still exploit the game


yeah, I knew, 33, is better, sf iv is sf ii turbo with poligons, and other things, I'm not a big fan of SF IV, but I think that they did a well mix between casual and hardcore

[MUSOLINI]

funny thing is sf4 is actually a casual game, especially super edition. just chose a high priority charge character and you can win with mediocre skill against people better than you. even if you lose, you can still make it close thanx to these type of characters. (easy mode characters in sf4, guile, rog, matador, dic, boxer, honda etc). therse a difference betwen winning tourneys against the best of the best, and winning against people better than you by turtling and using high priority easy mode characters. sf3ts is actually a game where skill is much more important than in sf4 series, especially in a casual level (even in high level easy mode sf4 characters are just that,easy mode.)

[The Fluke]

Actually, i know what i'm on about, check up on the ninja costumes for American ninja and mks retro ninja costumes. The ninjas in mk are only pseudo japanese in style and the best explanation would be calling them an Americanised knock-off. I can't really come up with anything specific at the moment beyond johnny cage x van Damme (bloodsport). The music from mk is also based on the music of movies like kickboxer and bloodsport wich is simply put different from your average soundtrack.

And i see your point about sf2 being different, but there is no getting away from the fact that all art in it is manga, drawn by a well known artist that only worked for them prior to turbo (or something). A huge difference in style is that most of the asian characters depicted in sf2 actually dress and fight like asian martial artists did, though with some artistic license ofc. While the mk cast started out with generalised move sets that told you just about nothing about specific fighting styles and where instead mainly individualised by their special moves and how they impacted gameplay. How is this important you may ask? Simple, mk is the same kind of asian martial arts knock-off as 80s ninja movies etc. Where the fact that ninjas are ninjas are way more important than how they actually fight or even what they do. Nowadays mk has evolved, sure, but if you compare the classic cast of mk today with their sf "counterparts" you should still see that the sf characters actually hold more true to the styles they have.

I am ofc not saying that sf looks like bb and thus = Anime. Just to clarify, sf is older than this wave of anime/manga and is pretty clearly inspired by series like Hokuto no Ken or similar wich is pretty different from what you probably should expect of most animes today.

[jinxhand]

SFEX should be "casual" in any way, there were tons of hardcore players back in the day, and tons of tourneys/vids for it. I prefer EX2+ over SF4, especially given the fact that despite the walking speed of EX, the game itself wasn't slow.