Terry Video Thread

steamwolf · February 05, 2012, 06:03:11 AM

blackgenma · February 06, 2012, 08:45:42 PM

A video showcasing differences between the left and right side damage values for the same combo.

[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA5EDQyyO-I&feature=BFa&list=PLE49AC9E16003510F&lf=plpp_video[/spoiler]

Various HD combos

[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5-invpVBE&feature=BFa&list=PLE49AC9E16003510F&lf=plpp_video[/spoiler]

Terry trials

[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_Rv1Ag6UE&feature=BFa&list=PLE49AC9E16003510F&lf=plpp_video[/spoiler]

Reiki.Kito · February 06, 2012, 09:15:44 PM

Wow, that's odd. And a 4 bar 100% combo for Terry? Wuuut?

steamwolf · February 07, 2012, 12:07:25 PM

Yeah that is a bit surprising. Good to see. I'm gonna have to try that out for myself in training mode lol

x25a · February 07, 2012, 07:14:01 PM

Quote from: Reiki.Kito on February 06, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Wow, that's odd. And a 4 bar 100% combo for Terry? Wuuut?

The 1st link blackgenma posted has a 3 stock 100% combo at 0:48~.

Reiki.Kito · February 07, 2012, 07:41:38 PM

You have to space that pretty well or it'll reach the corner. Same with any of the midrange combos. It's nice to see he can use such small amounts of meter for a good 100%, but you'd have to be cornered or cross them up near the corner to do it...;-;

EDIT:

Actually, I think he spaces it so that after the Trinity Geyser, the wall stops the opponent from moving further. That's why he can catch up. So I dunno if you have to do it EXACTLY like in the video or if you can play around with the distance a little.

x25a · February 07, 2012, 11:37:44 PM

Quote from: Reiki.Kito on February 07, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
You have to space that pretty well or it'll reach the corner. Same with any of the midrange combos. It's nice to see he can use such small amounts of meter for a good 100%, but you'd have to be cornered or cross them up near the corner to do it...;-;

EDIT:

Actually, I think he spaces it so that after the Trinity Geyser, the wall stops the opponent from moving further. That's why he can catch up. So I dunno if you have to do it EXACTLY like in the video or if you can play around with the distance a little.

He actually spaces it so the wall forces trinity geyser to do an extra hit and toss the opponent higher which gives just enough time to run and do burn knuckle. When i messed a bit with the range trinity geyser only did the usual 3 hits and you can only follow up after it with an ex burn knuckle/buster wolf. The combo also starts with D, F+A into rising tackle which took quite a while to get the timing down since its kinda strict

steamwolf · February 09, 2012, 12:36:47 AM

Such things are nice to look at, but they're kind of just for flash and what not. What I am in the process of working on is seeing about getting actual tournament match videos up. THOSE are much more valuable to all players as opposed to strict 100% combos that require precise spacing etc. I recommend if anyone has any actual MATCH videos of Terry, please post those! This is not a combo video thread but a video thread. Combo videos are nice, but precise spacing 100% combos are really not what you see in tournaments or online. Posting combo vids are fine, but we're just seriously lacking good match videos in the KoF Community as a whole which I find painfully disturbing.

Reiki.Kito · February 09, 2012, 01:47:36 AM

Well, I would be glad if we could take apart some match videos and see what could be done about our gameplay. Putting up some matches using Terry, there's me and Hotpockets playing this Sunday at STA Ranbats 3.3. I'm going to post some videos of our matches and maybe you can give us some feedback on our Terry gameplay. We've been working on safely spacing A Burn Knuckle to keep it safe and pressure patterns.

http://youtu.be/cmG8KgSSlDk?t=1h37m27s
Reiki.Kito vs. RogerDodger

http://youtu.be/cmG8KgSSlDk?t=1h58m4s
Reiki.Kito vs. Geo.YUC

http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=16m35s
Reiki.Kito vs. N4US

and part 2
STA Ranbats 3.3: KOFXIII - PT2

Hellpockets vs. BBZ
http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=6m17s

Hellpockets vs. RogerDodger
http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=35m8s

steamwolf · February 10, 2012, 01:51:49 AM

Well first off, I am hardly qualified to provide any kind of tips for your Terry but I'll give my two cents since you asked.

You're using Burn Knuckle and Crackshoot way too much outside of combos. A Burn Knuckle is not as safe as it was in 02, so it's not as wise to just toss out there as a poke/whatever. Crackshoot is also a little unsafe if it's the D version. D version has it's rewards and can easily punish crouch blockers, but when people understand how D Crackshoot shenanigans work it's a wasted effort to try. I'd call it a scrub killing technique. Overall I think you've almost got it but perhaps you should study other Terry players and try and emulate a few of their tricks? Only other thing I saw was a lack of HD combos with Terry. You did one towards the end but you can actually get more damage if you do less in that combo (according to the guy commentating at least). But yeah there were a few times an HD combo would have ended things but you didn't do it or dropped the combo. I'd say work on that and try not to be so burn knuckle happy and you'll be good. At least, that's just me lol.

Also: DOUBLE JEOPARDY OHHHHH

Thank you for posting these videos. This is actually the kind of stuff I've been wanting to see more of. I'm gonna have to scour through iplaywinner's channel now and copy url locations for not just Terry, but every character lol

Edit: The link of you vs Geo.YUC doesn't appear to be the right time of the video.

Reiki.Kito · February 10, 2012, 05:18:12 AM

Actually, at a certain spacing, you CAN make Burn Knuckle safe. They won't be able to punish it aside from maybe a throw, but you can space it so well that you end farther away so even throws won't hit. If they try to punish it, you can beat it out with Rising Tackle.

If you're ever online, I'll show ya'! I do appreciate the feedback, any of it, so thank you for critiquing my play.

And the GEO.YUC match works for me.

EDIT: You can go to http://frame-advantage.com/ and it will show you game, player, even character breakdowns. They're very thorough.

Frofighter · February 10, 2012, 06:43:15 AM

Quote from: Reiki.Kito on February 09, 2012, 01:47:36 AM
Well, I would be glad if we could take apart some match videos and see what could be done about our gameplay. Putting up some matches using Terry, there's me and Hotpockets playing this Sunday at STA Ranbats 3.3. I'm going to post some videos of our matches and maybe you can give us some feedback on our Terry gameplay. We've been working on safely spacing A Burn Knuckle to keep it safe and pressure patterns.

http://youtu.be/cmG8KgSSlDk?t=1h37m27s
Reiki.Kito vs. RogerDodger

http://youtu.be/cmG8KgSSlDk?t=1h58m4s
Reiki.Kito vs. Geo.YUC

http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=16m35s
Reiki.Kito vs. N4US

and part 2
STA Ranbats 3.3: KOFXIII - PT2

Hellpockets vs. BBZ
http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=6m17s

Hellpockets vs. RogerDodger
http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=35m8s

I had something to notice regarding Hellpockets's meter usage for a while now... He throws EX power wave WAY too frequently and predictably. It's a major flaw in an otherwise solid Terry, and it really bugs me every time I see it because he doesn't react well to how his opponents deal with it. It's gotten me using that move only on specific knockdowns to meaty with, and only when the opponent is almost dead. I honestly think EX power wave is very overrated in the neutral game in just about every instance I've seen it used there.

Saitsuofleaves · February 10, 2012, 06:50:42 AM

Alright Reiki, I'm gonna break down at least the first 3 matches you posted both for K' and for Terry.

Vs. Rodger Dodger: You seem a bit...tentative at times to press anything. It's Point Yuri, until she gets that Drive and meter she won't murder you, don't be afraid to press buttons as K'. You threw out Minute/Narrow Spike a BIT too much. It isn't that safe. Ein Trigger wasn't too bad, though if you're gonna throw out EX ET at Neutral, either take the initiative to do Second Shoot if the opponent isn't that close, or at least Black Out or Second Shell. Something...just don't throw that thing out in Neutral without following it up unless it's a reversal or something.

As for your Terry play that match, I agree that you were throwing out way too many raw Burn Knuckles. Yeah, it can be safe at the right spacings...but half the time it was not the right spacing and one time you got extremely lucky doing it in his face. Doing at the start of the round is not advised because the start round spacing doesn't make it safe. You're basically hoping the opponent presses a button or move that doesn't beat Burn Knuckle. Do Crack Shoot at the start if you need to do anything, don't do Burn Knuckle. Also, matchup wise, just make sure to respect the Flash Kick against Kim...always...

Vs. GEO: As Terry...yet again with the meh spaced Burn Knuckles. Only unlike against Rodger Dodger, you got killed for it, simple as that. Once Robert got in on you, it was pretty much over without the meter help. You're Terry, you got better pokes for the most part, use them in that matchup. Against Kula...uh yeah, matchup problems, Kula's a bitch.

As K'...yeah, against Robert, that random Crow Bites got you in trouble early. And then I was baffled at why you were throwing ET/Second Shells from the distance you were. Especially burning a meter on one of them. You really came on strong late against Robert though. The round against EX Iori was a disaster though...for both of you. I'm just gonna throw that one out. Now against Kula...honestly, you didn't do too much wrong there, just got beat down a little, it happens. More knowing the matchup than anything to just pick your spots because Kula's a bitch...fuck Kula.

Main problem in that match is not knowing that Kula's Lay Spin is unsafe. As Terry, if she does B Lay Spin for pressure, RISING TACKLE her. It will punish a B Lay Spin with no followup and will beat all of her followups free. Now if it's D Lay Spin, you got a bit more of a problem. Preferably you're able to beat her out of it early or get out of the way. If not, you have to take the blockstring or guess that she'll for sure do the Ice Shot followup. But B Lay Spin? Free for Terry.

K' vs. Kula, not as easy for K'. All Crow Bites beat B Lay Spin/Ice Shot. You'll need EX Crow Bites for the Slide Followup. No followup, punish with whatever but you can't always be sure so Crow Bites to be sure, or EX Crow Bites just always just to get the Kula to stop. D Lay Spin, same problems as Terry.

I'll deal with your third match later.

Also, one last thing that's been bothering me, and I have a bit of a problem with it too. Punishing. You mess it up a couple of times like your mind freezes for the instant. I suggest, and I have to do this too, go into training mode with whomever, and drill into your hands and mind your biggest combos starting from st.C for 1 Drive, 2 Meters for both Terry and K', and then Drill the simplest HD combos you can. You stay in training mode until you can do them in your sleep. That way when the moment of truth comes up, there's no hesitation, you're on that and you make your opponent pay.

Reiki.Kito · February 10, 2012, 06:58:42 AM

http://youtu.be/Mew4zzPWx74?t=35m10s
Should be Hellpockets vs. RogerDodger - Don't mind Geo's bad commentary.

Trust me when I say I know what Kula's weak against. I should punish it more, but it was mostly the player rather than the character I was worried about. But you're right, I should've punished it more and more punishing in general. Just certain situations that are a little harder to get the maximum amount of pain in.

Saitsuofleaves · February 10, 2012, 07:15:58 AM

I think what it all comes down to is that we have to get back to the basics.

Anyway, in my free time I'm gonna figure out if I can record some crude matches with my Logitech Camera and upload them to a Youtube account to see if I can get at least some analysis of my own before Winter Brawl to see if I should take Terry or K' as my second in command.

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