Hwa Jai (Console)

[Matt Alder]

That's a helluva risk to GCR a CD though.

Not really, GCR cannot be punished reliably in any way, so it's really just -1 meter. But still wasteful if baited.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Matt, I added a couple of more sections to Hwa's Strategy section in the Wiki.  I figured it would help those who would want to have cliffnotes of what to do when having a certain amount of meter other than just combos of choice.  Fill them in at your leisure.

[Matt Alder]

Wow, if those all get filled out I'm pretty sure it'll be the biggest page on the wiki. I'll certainly have some tips for certain matchups, but a good portion is going to stay blank for a long while, most likely.

[Saitsuofleaves]

yeah, I expect that, but that's the point.  Add them as time goes on. Unless people feel confident enough to do them all, which I heavily doubt.  Just something to do on lazy days I guess.

[desmond_kof]

Saitsu, here is an example of what I was talking about by putting the match-ups section inside the strategy section: http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kyo_Kusanagi_%28XIII%29#Strategies

That way it wont fill up the table of contents section, and also because I feel matchups are a form of strategy. As far as it being easier or not to edit, I believe it shouldn't be that difficult at all to edit with the characters titles being bolded. Let me know how you feel about this new organization.

[Saitsuofleaves]

It does look cleaner and more condensed, but like i said, it could cause problems when editing the list at times.

Is there any way to like...hide the info for each character or whatever like a spoiler?  So we can keep it condensed, but maintain the ability to edit each character at will?

[desmond_kof]

It shouldn't really cause any problems at all when editing as long as you place the information under the bold text. It might just take away an extra second or two from scrolling down perhaps.

I also think you are referring to collapse-able tables or sections. The wiki doesn't have that software for that in-place now but I will look into it to see if there is a way to get it.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Well if you can, that would be preferred as I would think that's optimal.  the ability to do individual edits but keep the wiki condensed.  But if you can't, I'll work on switching everything to your way.

[desmond_kof]

It would probably be best to have them all switched to the more condensed view in the strategy section for now, because changing the wiki software would be something that may take some time.

[Saitsuofleaves]

It would probably be best to have them all switched to the more condensed view in the strategy section for now, because changing the wiki software would be something that may take some time.

Alright, but do you mind if I start working on it like tomorrow or something?  I kind of wanted to relax today.  Tomorrow I'll be more in work mode with having to deal with my phone, getting points to get ready for Skullgirls, and I was probably going to look into Kensou matchups anyway.

[desmond_kof]

I will help you. Just gotta copy and paste from Kyo's section to the others. I'll start alphabetically from Ash's and you can take the other end when you have time.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Alright.

[Jon Slayton]

Just wanted to drop in and say good work on the wiki, that shit was way organized compared to most of the wiki sections.

Now it just needs frame data and move properties under the moves in the move list and it's golden.

Since I can't seem to find anything on it, how safe is hwa's air dp+B? I found that if you get a really high cross up, IE you're hyper hopping over their head and kind of skimming over them with a j.D, it's a nice way to convert to damage. Looks like you can hop directly over their head and do it for an ambiguous cross up too, would be nice if it actually is safe lol

[Matt Alder]

I know that for sure at any height that you can cancel into it from a normal, it's safe, but I'll check maximum height... It might be punishable by some of the tallest characters like Maxima or Goro.

[Jon Slayton]

That's good news. I tested it from higher up with 1 guard jump on and it didn't seem too terribly negative... probably enough so to eat a command grab though since you'll be right in their face.