Hwa Jai (Console)

[Saitsuofleaves]

I think he meant B Dragon Tail and B SRK off of jumps.

[LouisCipher]

^ Pretty much. It looks like they're safe. Thanks for correcting me about standing A.

[Matt Alder]

Oh yeah sorry, I should have gotten that. Yeah the aerial B SRK and qcb+B give advantage on block if timed late. I'm not sure if a close C after dp+B will keep people in blockstun the entire time, but certainly after j.qcb+B it will. I really don't use air dp+B very much, but I feel like I should since it's so damn good. I almost always jump in with j.D or j.CD.

[LouisCipher]

Yeah I don't really like using B Slide too much because it's so easy to accidentally get a B SRK or Super out while doing it in a combo.

I like doing air B Dragon Tail because it could setup some dirty C Grab Super setups.

[LouisCipher]

Good job with the Hwa wiki Matt, added everything I was going to add and then some.

[Matt Alder]

Thanks, I hope people end up reading it, because right now Hwa is still kind of a mystery to most people.

[LouisCipher]

Yeah, a lot of people just don't know what he's capable of doing in Drunk Mode. Fuck, I didn't even know until I read this thread. It disappoints me that there's still guys in tournaments not using Drunk Mode with him, even tourney players don't seem to know what's up.

Question: If you do s.CD and cancel into Drunk Mode what could they possibly punish you with? I would think Mai's NeoMax or anything super fast like that could punish you but it's difficult to test this out.

Mind if I add some Tick-Throw setups with C Grab Super to the Wiki?

[Matt Alder]

well... I just don't see C grab working as a tick throw since it has like 30+ frames of startup animation after the super flash. Maybe if it was used to beat an anticipated punish or something... but it can easily be reacted to and punished if you're not using it for its invulnerability. If you have a really interesting setup, then post it and maybe it'll be worth noting in the wiki.

And as for s.CD cancelled into drink, it'll probably work well against lots of characters, but like you said some can punish it for sure. I've done only a couple of times and I don't think I've been directly punished for it (when s.CD was max range), but I never really tested just how punishable it is. I can look into it.

[Matt Alder]

So I tested s.CD cancelled into drink on block against Shen and apparently the only move that Shen can even punish it with is his EXDM. It seems like it's actually a really viable strategy against most characters. I think I'll start abusing this technique a lot. What an easy way to get a drink in. The space it creates from max range is really insane... it pushes opponents back to over half of the screen away and there are only maybe 7-10 frames that Hwa can be punished within... and most characters can't cover that distance in that amount of time very well.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Yeah I was messing around with it when picking Hwa back up, very few people can do crap against it (though if you actually land it on someone in the corner, they could feasibly punish after roll recovery).

[Matt Alder]

I added some crossup setups to the wiki, http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hwa_Jai_%28XIII%29#Crossup_Setups but I'm sure there are more. These are just the ones that I know off the top of my head. If anyone else has any reliable ones I'd love to add them.

[LouisCipher]

So I tested s.CD cancelled into drink on block against Shen and apparently the only move that Shen can even punish it with is his EXDM. It seems like it's actually a really viable strategy against most characters. I think I'll start abusing this technique a lot. What an easy way to get a drink in. The space it creates from max range is really insane... it pushes opponents back to over half of the screen away and there are only maybe 7-10 frames that Hwa can be punished within... and most characters can't cover that distance in that amount of time very well.

Yeah, I saw MADKOF do it and started mimicking him. I've never been punished for doing it.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Yeah, but don't get too predictable with the setup.  If the opponent sees it coming, he could GCR the Blowback and...well you won't like the end result.

[LouisCipher]

That's a helluva risk to GCR a CD though.

[Saitsuofleaves]

That's a helluva risk to GCR a CD though.

Sure, but if the Hwa isn't varying the setup, it's worth the risk.  It's not like it's going to be happening all the time anyway but it helps to play it safe and not always go for the Drink after s.CD.  Especially since half the fun of s.CD is D Dragon Tail afterwards.