The King of Fighters XIII Gameplay discussion (All shortcuts on 1st page)

[Rex Dart]

I thought Maxima's was instant. Could be wrong of course.

[MUSOLINI]

what about kim?

[4leaf]

Maxima's nm isn't instant. I've attempted to auto guard it with shen's far C only to whiff

[Rex Dart]

So, I'm asking this just to double-check something I'm already certain I know.

In HD mode, you can cancel any normals. This does NOT extend to CDs, right?

[Kane317]

So, I'm asking this just to double-check something I'm already certain I know.

In HD mode, you can cancel any normals. This does NOT extend to CDs, right?

Even without HD, all CDs are cancelable.

[Rex Dart]

I thought they were only whiff/empty cancelable.

Can they combo into anything? Could vice to CD -> EX hcf+K for example?

[Kane317]

I thought they were only whiff/empty cancelable.

Can they combo into anything? Could vice to CD -> EX hcf+K for example?

That's more dependent on the recovery frames of the s.CD, I'm leaning towards no only coz there's too much recovery on the s.CD.  In the air however, she can j.CD then Ex hcf K when she lands and it'll combo.

[FataCon]

I thought they were only whiff/empty cancelable.

Can they combo into anything? Could vice to CD -> EX hcf+K for example?

That's more dependent on the recovery frames of the s.CD, I'm leaning towards no only coz there's too much recovery on the s.CD.  In the air however, she can j.CD then Ex hcf K when she lands and it'll combo.

And that's only because the aerial attack animations are cancelled upon landing.

[THE ANSWER]

I thought they were only whiff/empty cancelable.

Can they combo into anything? Could vice to CD -> EX hcf+K for example?

Well, I have a situation where that could work. If you are using Liz, and use her CD as an anti-air to stop an opponent jumping in you can cancel it in to her qcf,qcb+P super and it will connect.

[Kane317]

I thought they were only whiff/empty cancelable.

Can they combo into anything? Could vice to CD -> EX hcf+K for example?

Well, I have a situation where that could work. If you are using Liz, and use her CD as an anti-air to stop an opponent jumping in you can cancel it in to her qcf,qcb+P super and it will connect.

Liz is definitely more exception than the rule; she's one of the few, if not the only, that has a anywhere juggle DM--which is the only reason it connects.  Otherwise it'll have to be a "counter" on the s.CD before a DM will connect.

[Demoninja]

So about No. 17's post about a guard crush "combo." How practical do you guys think it is? I've thought about doing it with Shen before cause it seems like it'd be incredibly easy with him, and fairly safe using qcf+D HDC qcf.+A repeatedly. However the thing that stopped me from experimenting with it is, how often will they have no meter? Which brought me to some crazy mind games like omg what if I can do the guard crush combo and just get them to burn all their bar GCCD or something without aiming to actually break their guard.

So for me it seems like using HD to guard crush is a one time thing but there's definitely some potential in using it to make your opponent burn their bar. What are your thoughts?

[Kane317]

So about No. 17's post about a guard crush "combo." How practical do you guys think it is? I've thought about doing it with Shen before cause it seems like it'd be incredibly easy with him, and fairly safe using qcf+D HDC qcf.+A repeatedly. However the thing that stopped me from experimenting with it is, how often will they have no meter? Which brought me to some crazy mind games like omg what if I can do the guard crush combo and just get them to burn all their bar GCCD or something without aiming to actually break their guard.

So for me it seems like using HD to guard crush is a one time thing but there's definitely some potential in using it to make your opponent burn their bar. What are your thoughts?

I've been emailing No.17 back and forth and I was debating whether or not he should post it here.  Part of me wanted to keep it a secret coz I know that I don't use Liz, and the only one that really does is The Answer and his top tier team (Liz, K', and Kula) already is a pain in the ass, but the other part of me knows that by posting it here it'll open up more possibilities so it can only be good for the community (and hence I told him to post it).  As for just making someone waste a meter, there's plenty of ways to do that without going into HD.

Honestly I don't know, maybe it's only good for a 5th round situation, maybe it's only good if you're in the lead, or it's just a good way to crack someone's defense especially if your next character doesn't need meter to be effective.

[Demoninja]

Well the way I saw it with Shen is you hit them with st.C, f+B, HD, st.C, f+B (qcf+D, HDC qcf+A)xN. Then they either have to get guard broken or GCCD/GCAB. After that if they block another move you can pretty much go back into the qcf+D HDC qcf+A loop forcing them to burn another meter. The only thing I'm not sure of is the guard crush potential for Shen so I'll do some testing tomorrow.

There definitely are other ways to get meter but I'm all for the slightly out there options that aren't seen often. I'd say getting any anchor to burn 2-3 meters OR take 50% is a very scary thing for your opponent.

[THE ANSWER]

In regards to this Guard Crush combo, when No 17 was here he advised me to use Ex 236+AC with Liz in a cornered opponent which turned out to be very useful and I immediately incorporated into my strategy.

Also the other day Dune posted something about K' which looked like a combo and I was really curios on finding out what it was about so I went ahead and asked him. It turns out that it's not a combo but more of a strategy. I will be testing this strategy of his this week and reporting my results back to him next week. I know I few people are going to be a little upset about me using K' but is for the greater good of the community lol XP

[Kane317]

I know I few people are going to be a little upset about me using K' but is for the greater good of the community lol XP

Is that how you sleep at night, I always wondered what you told yourself... =)