Author Topic: Billy Kane (Pre-release)  (Read 27887 times)

Rex Dart

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2011, 10:43:31 AM »
Based purely off the stream, I'm going to say Billy is a fantastic battery.

EDIT: http://twitch.tv/leveluplive/b/300048869 @0:42:30 for some great Billy action.

Trying to transcribe that combo from the first round, I think it's:
(corner) jD, crB x 3, dp+B, hcf+A (DC) dp+BD, f+B, dp+B, dC

About 400 damage for 1 stock, 50% gauge. Definitely respectable!
« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 10:23:57 PM by Rex Dart »

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2011, 11:09:50 PM »
Based purely off the stream, I'm going to say Billy is a fantastic battery.

EDIT: http://twitch.tv/leveluplive/b/300048869 @0:42:30 for some great Billy action.

Trying to transcribe that combo from the first round, I think it's:
(corner) jD, crB x 3, dp+B, hcf+A (DC) dp+BD, f+B, dp+B, dC

About 400 damage for 1 stock, 50% gauge. Definitely respectable!

Yup, that's No. 17's combo way back in Evo!

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2011, 05:26:24 AM »
How is Billy's new cr.C compare to his older one??? It seems less viable, but I've yet to test this new Billy out yet...

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2011, 09:25:26 PM »
How is Billy's new cr.C compare to his older one??? It seems less viable, but I've yet to test this new Billy out yet...

Looks slower.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 09:31:35 PM by Kane317 »

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2011, 05:50:30 AM »
How is Billy's new cr.C compare to his older one??? It seems less viable, but I've yet to test this new Billy out yet...

Looks slower.

From what I saw, I was thinking the same thing, along with the possibility of some hitbox change... With that said, there's gotta be some sort of benefit from it, even though it appears slower. The same thing goes for his f+a and his f+b, or pretty much all his normals to be honest...

His normals in general seem to have had some sort of buff, even though the speed and/or range have changed... He doesn't have his overhead from '03 either, which I thought was useless anyway...

His specials seem weaker, too, as in they can easily be beaten out by many moves...

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2011, 05:24:48 PM »
Based purely off the stream, I'm going to say Billy is a fantastic battery.

EDIT: http://twitch.tv/leveluplive/b/300048869 @0:42:30 for some great Billy action.

Trying to transcribe that combo from the first round, I think it's:
(corner) jD, crB x 3, dp+B, hcf+A (DC) dp+BD, f+B, dp+B, dC

About 400 damage for 1 stock, 50% gauge. Definitely respectable!

Thanks for that, I was wondering what type of play style he had.

Seems to be in your face with costant poking and block string pressure, I like. That combo was so damn sweet, will try to master (but will probably fail).

Gonna hit practice with him today.

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2011, 11:05:41 PM »
Me and Billy we.. we... connected.

I've hated this character all previous years but his redrawn sprite, which I really like, made me give him a shot.

This character is seriously solid. Damn good and safe pressure and excellent at breaking through zoners.

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2011, 11:51:31 PM »
im having a hard time using his move but is normals r excellent.its his air to air normals that giving me a hard time

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2011, 04:34:19 PM »
This guys did an excellent combo video: http://youtu.be/o6Q65svtaKs

Some rumblings about Billy looking top tier. Can't disagree with them so far.
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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2011, 04:39:02 PM »
This guys did an excellent combo video: http://youtu.be/o6Q65svtaKs

Some rumblings about Billy looking top tier. Can't disagree with them so far.

I don't think many will after Bala's performance on Saturday's stream.

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2011, 03:29:56 AM »
So, qcb+C to qcb+A is a free cancel / double hit. I guess that's to make up for the fact that the air version doesn't have "FIRE!", eh?

His Far C is cancellable into qcf + C -> "FIRE!" for a nice combo. Yet far C is not cancellable into command normals...

close C can combo to qcb+C in the corner, a good way to get air, and a new way to start potential combos.

I wish I could find a solid way to make use of his EX Mash AC. 20-some hits, nice EX-Rising Tackle-like Vaccum... but it only works right "in" the opponent.

Even his back + A is actually a very nice poke every once in a while. Felt like it'd be slow, but it's a good way to poke at people who do something unsafe at a distance.

His hop B has a great steep angle, and standing d is a pretty decent anti-air/hop, moreso than I'd have expected in the beginning.

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2011, 03:38:46 AM »
Is anyone going to be labbing vs billy tactics? I don't think I'll main him, but may have to kick the tires so that I can find out how to deal with him. So far he looks BERZERK! He just looks good at everything and don't see any real faults based on Saturday.

Will be really interesting watching how tier perceptions develop over the next few months in general tho.

I may try to make ryo my billy destructor - parry > punish, parry > NM "awww did that hurt? need a hug?" lol

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2011, 05:14:03 AM »
Billy's AA game is pretty bad. He has to burn EX up Kicks to get you off of him.
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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2011, 06:50:04 AM »
Ah, ok, that's a good point, I'll keep that in mind. That's why Bala was liberally peppering in jump CDs and  ;dn ;db ;bk P

I guess getting out of the corner vs billy will be my next hw assignment...

Does Billy's Senpu Kon (spam punch) suck? Don't remember him using it once on the stream.
(I do realize that Bala is not the end all be all for billy, but am wondering if the move has any good applications)

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Re: Billy Kane
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2011, 08:45:54 AM »
Someone asked about qcb+C being cancel-able to qcb+A for free.  It's actually cancel-able to any special/super for free.

The standard corner combo:
jD, 2B, 2B, 5B, 623B, 41236A, (DC) 623BD, 6B, 623B, D
1 Meter, 1 Drive, 418 damage, 42 stun, builds 3/4 a bar of super meter.

I messed around and tried to find a better (and more consistent) corner combo. I came up with:
jD, 2B, 2B, 5B, 623B, 41236C, 236C, (DC) 214C, 623B, 2363214C
1 Meter, 1 Drive, 490 damage, 44 stun, builds 9/10 a bar of super meter.