The NEW 50% Character Thread (Tables and Voting on Page 1)

[BioBooster]

(original thread)

This thread is for talking about chrs we think perform better for the team using 50% HD rather than the full stick as a general strategy. The aim is to identify good point/middle chrs that can deal some pretty significant damage with 50% and aren't hindered by not burning gobs of meter.

So the rule is combos for any chr with up to 50% HD, everything else is fair game.
Naturally relevant strategy and most effective characters can be discussed as well.

I think none of us would mind having a chr or two who played like this in the mixup for those meter starved moments and for setting up the remaining chrs with a fund of power.

As an example, Joe:

0 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge
(Corner) j.D, s.C, f.B, hcf+B (DC) dp+B, [A] 1~2 - qcb+P< j.D = 420 damage
Pretty cracking damage with no stock.

1 Stock, No Drive Gauge
(corner)j.D, s.D, (delay) f.B, hcf+A, [AC], qcb+D, dp+B, [A](2~3hits), qcb+A, j.D = 465 damage
Came up with this crazy contraption recently.

Here's a ridiculous running list of low-consumption high-damage chrs we have compiled so far:

TABLE 1: 50% List (Click Contributor Name for Combo Notes) *Underlined means confirmed Character Stock Drive Damage Remarks Contributor Andy 1 0 453 Near corner. Matt Alder Andy 2 0 530 Corner. Grenadierfr Andy 0 1 512 Near corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Andy 0 1 530 Corner.(variation) hiltzy85,Mienaikage Andy 0 1 516 Near corner.Mienai's video. Mienaikage Andy 1 1 509 Corner. sibarraz Andy 1 1 523 Corner. 98% Stock. Grenadierfr Andy 1 1 545,554 Corner. Variations. sibarraz,Mienaikage,hiltzy85 Ash 1 1 408,410,422,420 Ash Corner Guide. DarKaoZ Ash 1 1 516 Corner. Gravelneed Ash 1 1 430,448,456,520,? Ash Corner Guide. DarKaoZ Athena 1 1 525,536 Corner,Not in corner. LAB Falken Athena 1 1 622 Corner. Tikok Billy 0 0 370 Corner. Ky0 Billy 1 1 503 Near corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Benimaru 2 0 483 Corner. DarKaoZ Benimaru 2 1 478 Anywhere. Aenthin Benimaru 2 1 474,604,613 Anywhere,Corner,Corner. DarKaoZ Benimaru 3 1 474,522,635 Anywhere,Anywhere,Corner. DarKaoZ Chin 1 1 571 Anywhere. Kane317 Chin 1 1 603 Midscreen. Kane317 Clark 0 1 350 Low start. Video Aenthin Duo Lon 1 0 462 Anywhere. FataCon Duo Lon 1 1 427 Anywhere.Ready to mixup. Diavle Elisabeth 1 1 512 Midscreen. SummyG Elisabeth 1 1 561 Corner. Timing important. FataCon Flame Iori 2 1 500 Anywhere. lindseyboi Goro 1 1 503 Anywhere. t3h mAsTarOth...! Goro 2 1 607 Anywhere. t3h mAsTarOth...! Hwa Jai 1 0 384(487),428(535) Anywhere,Corner.(Drunk values) shiningnegro Hwa Jai 2 0 409 Anywhere. Matt Alder Hwa Jai 2 0 629 Anywhere. Matt Alder Hwa Jai 1 1 483,506,537,570 Anywhere,Anywhere,Corner,Corner. shiningnegro Hwa Jai 1 1 1030 Corner, when drunk.DEATH!! Matt Alder Hwa Jai 1 1 541,726,792 Anywhere. Anywhere. Corner. Matt Alder Hwa Jai 2 1 669 Anywhere. Matt Alder Hwa Jai 2 1 644,706 Both: Anywhere. Regain 1Stk. (drunk) Matt Alder Hwa Jai 2 1 645,735 Anywhere,Corner. (drunk) Matt Alder Iori 1 0 341(431) Anywhere. (+1 Stk more dmg) Matt Alder Iori 2 0 491,525,558 Any,Crn,Cnr. (Dmg variations) Matt Alder Iori 0 1 571 Corner. Builds stock for finish. Video. Grenadierfr Iori 1 1 482 Anywhere.(+1 Stk more dmg) Matt Alder Iori 1 1 493,499,539 Corner, corner, corner. JennyCage Iori 2 1 503,464 Anywhere, Anywhere. JennyCage Iori 2 1 569 Anywhere. Matt Alder Iori 2 1 557,622,658,597 Variations.All Corner. the7k Iori 2 1 640,640 Corner,Corner.Builds stock. hiltzy85 Iori 2 1 660,666 Corner,Corner.Variations. hiltzy85 Joe 1 0 465 Corner. BioBooster Joe 0 1 420 Corner. BioBooster Joe 2 1 587~591 Corner. Frofighter K' 1 0 426 Corner. Reiki.Kito K' 2 0 526 Corner. Reiki.Kito K' 2 0 459,477,524 All Corner. DarKaoZ K' 3 0 577 Corner. DarKaoZ K' 0 1 477 Anywhere. See post for extra damage. Reiki.Kito K' 1 1 502,544 Mid-screen(closer to corner). Variations. Reiki.Kito K' 2 1 510,522 Corner, corner. Video. DarKaoZ {Video} K' 3 1 508,593 Anywhere, corner. Video. DarKaoZ {Video} Kensou 0 1 435 Corner. Ky0 Kensou 1 1 482 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Kim 0 0 340 Corner. Sharnt Kim 1 0 425 Corner. Frofighter Kim 1 0 451 Corner. Sharnt Kim 2 0 394 Anywhere. DarKaoZ Kim 2 0 469(540) Near corner.(+1 stk) shiningnegro Kim 1 1 412 Anywhere. Video. DarKaoZ {Video} Kim 2 1 483,487 Anywhere, anywhere. Video. DarKaoZ {Video} Kim 2 1 517 Corner. Frofighter Kim 3 1 531,548,579 All anywhere. Video. DarKaoZ {Video} King 1 0 376 Near corner. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr King 1 0 371,410 Anywhere,Corner. DarKaoZ King 1 1 460 Corner. FataCon King 1 1 470 Corner. davidkong07 King 2 1 455 Anywhere. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr King 2 1 540 Anywhere. Video (above) hiltzy85 King 2 1 571 Corner. Ryujin Kula 1 0 475 Corner. hdnguyen Kula 0 1 416,518 Corner. Reiki.Kito Kula 1 1 466 Corner. FataCon Kula 1 1 517 Corner. JennyCage Kula 1 1 380,455,529 Low start & Corner, Anywhere, Corner. hdnguyen Kula 2 1 561 Corner. hdnguyen Kyo 2 0 506,576 Anywhere. Corner. Sharnt Kyo 1 1 494 Corner. Builds 1.3 meter. t3h mAsTarOth...!

[BioBooster]

Table 2: 50% List (Click Contributor Name for Combo Notes) *Underlined means confirmed Character Stock Drive Damage Remarks Contributor Leona 1 0 370(472) Anywhere.(EX Super) seyu Leona 1 1 488(570) Corner.(EX Super) seyu Leona 1 1 430 Corner. DarKaoZ Leona 2 0 425,433 Anywhere,Anywhere. DarKaoZ Leona 3 0 535 Anywhere. DarKaoZ Leona 2 1 477,535 Anywhere,Corner. DarKaoZ Leona 3 1 666 Corner. Mienaikage Leona 3 0 664 Corner. DarKaoZ Leona 4 1 746 Corner. Mienaikage Mai 0 1 430 Corner. the7k Mai 1 0 246 Anywhere except corner. Aenthin Mai 1 0 382 Corner. Aenthin,shiningnegro Mai 1 0 436 Corner. Aenthin Mai 1 0 476 Corner. BioBooster Mai 0 1 351 Corner. Aenthin Mai 1 1 465 Corner. Aenthin Mai 1 1 551,554 Corner.(variations) the7k Mai 1 1 497,567 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Mature 2 0 496,540 Anywhere,Anywhere. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr Mature 0 1 358 Almost anywhere (except back to wall) BioBooster Mature 1 1 429 Corner. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr Mature 1 1 504 Mid. Terrastorm Mature 3 1 664 Near corner. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr Maxima 1 0 487 Anywhwere. Reiki.Kito Maxima 2 0 553 Corner. Reiki.Kito Maxima 1 1 433,446,506 Anywhwere. Variations Reiki.Kito Maxima 2 1 553,578,638 Anywhwere. Variations Reiki.Kito Maxima 3 1 714 Anywhwere. Reiki.Kito Mr. Karate 0 1 444 Corner. Ky0 Mr. Karate 1 1 586 Corner. Ky0 NESTS Kyo 1 0 270 Low~Anywhere. Matt Alder NESTS Kyo 0 1 276,406 Low~Anywhere,Corner. Matt Alder NESTS Kyo 1 1 421,443 Anywhere,Corner. Matt Alder Raiden 5 0 913 Corner. Raiden 1 1 584 Corner. KnightKinetik lindseyboi Raiden 1 1 584 Corner. KnightKinetik Ralf 1 1 552 Corner. Reiki.Kito Ralf 1 1 564 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Ralf 1 1 568,600,611 Corner.Practical variations. Xan Ralf 2 1 650 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Ralf 2 1 656,688,699 Corner.Practical variations. Xan Robert 1 0 393 Anywhere. Diavle Robert 1 1 366 Anywhere. Diavle Robert 2 1 572,496 Anywhere,Corner. Diavle Ryo 0 1 439 Corner. jurjur Ryo 1 1 512 Near corner. Diavle Ryo 1 1 531 Corner. jurjur Saiki 1 1 590 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Shen 1 0 451 Corner. Diavle Shen 2 0 530 Anywhere. Grenadierfr Shen 1 1 489 Anywhere. Builds 50% Stock. Grenadierfr Shen 1 1 519 Corner. Grenadierfr Shen 2 1 553,576 Anywhere,Corner. Both bakushin Finish. Grenadierfr Shen 2 1 606 Anywhere. t3h mAsTarOth...! Takuma 0 0 417 Corner. Tanner Takuma 0 1 530 Corner. Tanner Takuma 0 1 651 Corner. 1 stock gained in combo. Tanner,Ky0 Takuma 0 1 663 Corner. 1 stock gained in combo. Mienaikage Takuma 1 1 491 Low start. lindseyboi Takuma 1 1 766 Midscreen.Builds a stock. Mienaikage Takuma 3 1 888 Corner. Stuns. Mienaikage Takuma 3 1 DEATH Midscreen.Builds a stock. Video. Mienaikage Terry 1 1 436,443 443 in Corner. meiji_99 Terry 1 1 441 Anywhere. meiji_99 Terry 1 1 411,446-452 Anywhere, anywhere. KnightKinetik Vice 1 0 450 Charges 40% Drive. Longer loop if more stock. Grenadierfr Vice 2 0 440 Anywhere. Video (above) Aenthin, Grenadierfr Vice 2 0 520,523 Anywhere. Variations. 2nd harder. Grenadierfr Vice 2 1 550,571 Anywhere.Anywhere. Grenadierfr,Grenadierfr Yuri 1 0 209 Anywhere. Hard knockdown Desmond Delaghetto Yuri 2 0 502 Corner. the7k Yuri 0 1 427,473 Anywhere. Corner. Sharnt Yuri 1 1 385 Anywhere. Desmond Delaghetto Yuri 1 1 401 Corner. the7k Yuri 1 1 Needs Confirmation Anywhere. Video Aenthin Yuri 0 1 396 Anywhere. Sharnt Yuri 1 1 520 Anywhere & Corner versions. sibarraz Yuri 1 1 513,567 Anywhere. Fatacon,Desmond Delaghetto Yuri 1 1 583 Corner. t3h mAsTarOth...! Yuri 2 1 375 Anywhere. Desmond Delaghetto

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@Grenadierfr, Aenthin, grabbed this stuff from the other thread and added here

Good video Aenthin !


King

1 Stocks bar, 0 drive gauge
j.C, cl.D (2 hits), df+D xx hcb+B, qcf2x+K = 376 dmg
Near Corner, Can be followed up with a Neomax without canceling

2 Stocks bar, 1 drive gauge
j.C, cr.C, df+D xx dp+B [DC] qcf+BD, qcf2x+K = 455 dmg
Anywhere; Near Corner, can be juggled, delay the dp+B or it won't hit

Vice

2 Stocks bar, 0 drive gauge
j.C, cl.D, f+A xx qcb+AC, hop, Overkill = 440 dmg
Works everywhere on the Screen

Mature

1 Stocks bar, 1 drive gauge
j.C, cl.C xx (qcb+C) 3x [DC] hcb+D, qcb,hcf+K = 429 dmg
Works only in the corner

2 Stocks bar, 0 drive gauge
j.C, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C = 496 dmg
Works everywhere on the Screen

2 Stocks bar, 0 drive gauge
j.C, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C xx (qcb+C) x 3 = 540 dmg
Works everywhere on the Screen

3 Stocks bar, 1 drive gauge
j.C, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C xx qcb+BD, cl.C xx (qcb+C) x 3 [DC] qcb + D, qcb,hcf + K = 664 dmg
Must be in the corner at the end for the DM to connect

[Aenthin]

@Aenthin, Solidshark was saying it's like $10 cheaper at the moment, maybe a golden opp?

Maybe in the US, where I am not. ;P


Oh and here's one from Clark by DandyDLC:

couple of clark combos

0 Stock, 1 Drive
cr.B,st.B xx charge b,f+A, mash P (1 hit) xx charge b,f+C, charge b,f+C, (delay) charge b,f+A, charge b,f+A, j.D = 350 damage
Anywhere; builds meter

[JennyCage]

Here's some more for claw Iori, not quite as nice as that one bar 571 but still decent:

2 meters 1 drive, 564 damage , anywhere:
Jump C, Stand C, Forward+A, QCB C, DP A (DC) QCB D, QCF HCB A+C

2 meters 1 drive, 503 damage , anywhere:
Jump C, Stand C, Forward+A, Forward+A, QCB B (DC) HCF A+C, run forward, DP A, QCF HCB C

1 meter 1 drive, 539 damage, corner only:
Jump C, Stand C, Forward+A, Forward+A, QCB C, DP A (DC) QCB D, QCB A, QCF HCB C

1 meter 1 drive, 499 damage, corner only:
Jump C, Stand C, Forward+A, Forward+A, QCB A+C, QCB A x2, DP A (DC) QCB D, QCB A x2, DP A

1 meter 1 drive, 493 damage, corner only:
Jump C, Stand C, Forward+A, Forward+A, QCB B+D, QCB A, DP A (DC) QCB D, QCB A x2, DP A

[Reiki.Kito]

Ralf
Corner Only
j.D, st.C(1), df+A, qcf+C ~delay~, d.C, b~u+C, [DC] qcb+C, qcb, hcf+K = 552 dmg

[BioBooster]

Very nice guys. Have updated the table.

[Sharnt]

I'm not sure of what is the point of this thread, so before posting i'll ask a few questions, it is to found the most damaging and pratical combos with few bars, best deal between damages and cost with less than 50%HD, or just the most damaging ones?

Because if you just want to optimize this thread lacks some, and if you are looking for practical ones, in order to really use them, i don't get the point to start combo with s.C instead of d.B,d.B,s.B for some char who will land 90%+ of their combo from it.

[Reiki.Kito]

I'm not sure of what is the point of this thread, so before posting i'll ask a few questions, it is to found the most damaging and pratical combos with few bars, best deal between damages and cost with less than 50%HD, or just the most damaging ones?

Because if you just want to optimize this thread lacks some, and if you are looking for practical ones, in order to really use them, i don't get the point to start combo with s.C instead of d.B,d.B,s.B for some char who will land 90%+ of their combo from it.

Scaling is based on hits. In order to get the max damage out of a combo, you have to do the lowest amount of hits with the highest amount of damage. If you flip the argument on its head, you find that the only reason you would do light low moves was because of an execution barrier. If you don't have that barrier, the best thing is to increase the damage of the combo.

It's not a matter of practicality because all of these combos are practical. They don't use a full bar of drive to do them. I think it really shows the potential of characters when they don't have HD mode as a crutch.

[Matt Alder]

Yes, I rather like this thread. It shows that a few characters (Hwa, Maxima, Takuma, etc.) are far more cost effective when they don't use HD mode, showing their potential as a 2nd or 3rd on a team. Also it is in fact mentioned in the notes when something is started from a low, for the most part.

[Sharnt]

If you flip the argument on its head, you find that the only reason you would do light low moves was because of an execution barrier.
It's not a matter of practicality because all of these combos are practical. They don't use a full bar of drive to do them. I think it really shows the potential of characters when they don't have HD mode as a crutch.

The execution has NOTHING to do with the fact a combo will start from a low light rather than an heavy. In fact lows starts slower than stand heavy moves (4 fromes instead of 3), so it's theorically easier to start a combo from a heavy move than a low.

But you can't hit confirm your combo when starting from a single hit heavy (without command moves), or mix up from a low, some combo can't be done from lows but only from heavy, so you should give combos which are really practical, and so starting from the most common opening (Seriously I NEVER land a combo from s.C/s.D except in punishment or a cross up setup).

Moreover using damages from a jump is irrelevant since you can also use the combo from a s.C in punish and you won't knows the damages it will do, same thing if you use a jump which doesn't do 72 Dmg.

Finally it's not enough for the combo to just use few gauge to be called practical, it's necessary, but not enough.
It must be easy to confirm, can be stop at least in a near safe move in guard, even in case of break AB or CD, do not be character specific, do not rely or 1 frame or really hard timing, follow into a good knockdown if possible, and at least do not consume loads of gauge for the damages done.


My 2 cent.

Yes, I rather like this thread. It shows that a few characters (Hwa, Maxima, Takuma, etc.) are far more cost effective when they don't use HD mode, showing their potential as a 2nd or 3rd on a team. Also it is in fact mentioned in the notes when something is started from a low, for the most part.

Well I can add some very damaging combo from the char i'm playing but since some are not practical at all i don't think it worth it. But if it's the trip of the thread why not :

If no precision it works anywhere.

Kim :
J.C,far.D,s.C,qcb.B,d~u.D~d.D (Corner, 340 Dmg)
J.C,far.D,s.C,ff.A,qcf.BD,s.D,qcb.B,d~u.D~d.D (Corner, 451 Dmg, 1 Ex)

Yuri :
J.C,d.B,s.C,dp.C(1 Hit),(DC)dp.D~C,d.C,dp.D~AC (396 Dmg, 50% Drive)
J.C,d.B,s.C,qcb.AC,qcb.C,qcf.C,s.C,dp.D~AC (Corner, 473 Dmg, 1 Ex)
J.C,s.C,qcb.AC,dp.D~C,s.C,dp.D~AC (427 Dmg, 1 Ex)

Kyo :
J.C,s.C,qcf.D,rdp.B,qcf.B,rdp.B,dp.A,(SC)qcb hcf.A,hcb.D (Near Corner, 497 Dmg, 1 Ex, 50% Drive)
J.C,s.C,df.D(1 Hit),qcf.D,rdp.B,rdp.B,qcb hcf AC (506 Dmg, 2 Ex)
J.C,s.C,df.D(1 Hit),qcf.D,Air qcb hcf.AC,qcf.A,qcb.B,rdp.B,dp.C (576 Dmg, 2 Ex, Corner)

[Matt Alder]

I would just like to say that every single Hwa combo that I've posted in this or the previous thread (aside from the death stun combo) is one that I have used in actual matches before, so they are not exactly impractical.

If you want a light starter combo, I'll throw in another low light starter combo.

Hwa (drunk):

1 drive, 2 meter (builds 1 back) cr.B, cr.B, s.B, d/f+B, dp+D, [DC] qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcfx2+BD - 664 damage, starts low, a million years of time to confirm, works anywhere.

1 drive, 2 meter (builds 1 back) cr.B, cr.B, s.B, d/f+B, dp+D, [DC] qcb+D, qcb+D, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcf+A, qcfx2+BD - 706 damage, starts low, also super easy to confirm, corner only.

easy mode combo:

2 meter (drink+grab) cr.B, cr.B, s.B, d/f+B, qcf,hcb+A - 409 damage, easy confirm, works anywhere, oki setup.

Another practical non-jump-in setup:

off an invulnerable shoryu, drunk, as usual

1 drive, 2 meter (builds 1 back): dp+D, [DC] qcb+D, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcf+A, qcfx2+BD - 735 damage, corner only

1 drive, 2 meter (builds 1 back): dp+D, [DC] qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcb+B, qcf+A, qcfx2+BD - 645 damage, works anywhere.

I know, I know, sorry I've kinda been overloading this thread with Hwa stuff... he's just got so many tools and he's simply FUN to combo with.

Here's some Claw Iori stuff to balance it out a little bit more, I guess?

0 drive, 2 meter: j.C, c.C, d/f+C. qcb+AC, qcb+A, qcb+A, qcf,hcb+A/C - 558 damage, or can use EXDM for an extra 1 meter cost and 629 total damage. Corner only.

0 drive, 1 meter: c.B, f+A,A, qcb+C, qcf,hcb+A/C - 341 damage, starts from a low, or can use EXDM for an extra 1 meter and 431 total damage. Works anywhere.

1 drive, 2 meter: j.C, c.C, f+A, qcb+B, [DC] hcf+A/C, dp+C, qcf,hcb+AC - 569 damage, works anywhere.

0 drive, 2 meter: j.C, c.C, d/f+C, qcb+BD, qcf,hcb+A/C - 491 damage, works anywhere, can use EXDM instead for 1 extra meter and 581 total damage.

1 drive, 1 meter: j.C, c.C, d/f+C, qcb+B, [DC] qcb+C, qcf,hcb+A/C - 482 damage, works anywhere, can use EXDM instead for 1 extra meter and 571 total damage.

0 drive, 2 meter: j.C, c.C, d/f+C. qcb+BD, qcb+A, qcf,hcb+A/C - 525 damage, corner only, can use EXDM instead for 1 extra meter and 608 total damage.

I love Claw, gets so much without any drive.