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==Overview== | ==Overview== | ||
Despite Moriya's incredible set of midrange zoning tools, he remains defined by possessing the greatest mobility option in the game: a nearly instant teleport. These two traits in tandem allow Moriya to heavily dominate every aspect of neutral through largely reactionary play. This all culminates into his setplay which thanks to some advanced techniques essentially translates to a safe 4 way that can ignore recovery rolls. Despite requiring relatively strong execution to bring into his full potential, masters of the character will be able to run circles around the opponent and still find a way to directly beat out many staple pokes. | Despite Moriya's incredible set of midrange zoning tools, he remains defined by possessing the greatest mobility option in the game: a nearly instant teleport. These two traits in tandem allow Moriya to heavily dominate every aspect of neutral through largely reactionary play. This all culminates into his setplay which thanks to some advanced techniques essentially translates to a safe 4 way that can ignore recovery rolls. Despite requiring relatively strong execution to bring into his full potential, masters of the character will be able to run circles around the opponent and still find a way to directly beat out many staple pokes. | ||
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| | <div class="movelist-toggles"> | ||
<div id="movelist-toggle-1" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:Power_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-toggle-2" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:Speed_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-toggle-3" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:EX_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
</div> | |||
! | <div id="movelist-1" class="movelist"><!-- Power --> | ||
| | {{ProConTable | ||
|pros= | |||
* Strong pokes in neutral | * Strong pokes in neutral | ||
* Easily kills most fireballs on reaction | * Easily kills most fireballs on reaction | ||
* Rewarding anti-airs | * Rewarding anti-airs | ||
* Fast meter build means more GC's, enabling much more passive play than other modes | * Fast meter build means more GC's, enabling much more passive play than other modes | ||
| | |cons= | ||
* Slow jabs | * Slow jabs | ||
* Essential tools extend his hurtbox during startup | * Essential tools extend his hurtbox during startup | ||
* Has difficulty resetting his pressure, forcing hit-and-run style offense | * Has difficulty resetting his pressure, forcing hit-and-run style offense | ||
* Low meterless damage | * Low meterless damage | ||
}}</div> | |||
! | <div id="movelist-2" class="movelist"><!-- Speed--> | ||
| | {{ProConTable | ||
|pros= | |||
* Strong disjointed pokes that can hitconfirm from max range | * Strong disjointed pokes that can hitconfirm from max range | ||
* Easily kills most fireballs on reaction | * Easily kills most fireballs on reaction | ||
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* Fairly high damage even from spaced normals | * Fairly high damage even from spaced normals | ||
* Incredible oki | * Incredible oki | ||
| | |cons= | ||
* Slow jabs | * Slow jabs | ||
* Essential tools extend his hurtbox during startup | * Essential tools extend his hurtbox during startup | ||
}}</div> | |||
! | <div id="movelist-3" class="movelist"><!-- EX --> | ||
| | {{ProConTable | ||
|pros= | |||
* Same strengths as speed, now with higher damage enabling 2 hit kill sequences | * Same strengths as speed, now with higher damage enabling 2 hit kill sequences | ||
| | |cons= | ||
* Same weaknesses as speed | * Same weaknesses as speed | ||
* Large defense penalty, mostly offset by how hard Moriya is to pin down | * Large defense penalty, mostly offset by how hard Moriya is to pin down}} | ||
</div> | |||
==Strategy== | ==Strategy== | ||
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====Standing==== | ====Standing==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_A_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_A.png | |||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_A2.png | |||
|caption=Press "A" to begin blender | |caption=Press "A" to begin blender | ||
|name=5A | |name=5A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|damage= 13/1 | |||
|startup= 6 | |startup= 6 | ||
|active= | |active= 1,1 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 17 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= +4/-7, +5/-7 | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 8/0 | |||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 1,1 | |||
|recovery= 17 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+4/-11,+5/-10 | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Very slow but decently disjointed jab. Primary tool to mash out of pressure or begin blockstrings in speed. Can also serve as a relatively non-commital poke in neutral when the opponent is pressing buttons to stuff 214x. Note that as with many of Moriya's attacks, the hitbox takes a decent amount of time to extend to its full length. | |description=Very slow but decently disjointed jab. Primary tool to mash out of pressure or begin blockstrings in speed. Can also serve as a relatively non-commital poke in neutral when the opponent is pressing buttons to stuff 214x. Note that as with many of Moriya's attacks, the hitbox takes a decent amount of time to extend to its full length. Has 2 hitboxes with minor frame data differences | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_b+A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_b+A_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_b+A.png | |||
|caption=Fast so inherently useful | |caption=Fast so inherently useful | ||
|name=4A | |name=4A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 13/1 | ||
|startup= 4 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= 15 | |||
|state= | |||
|frame advantage= +6/-9 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 8 | |||
|startup= 4 | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 15 | ||
|state= | |state= | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+6/-9 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Moriya's fastest normal. Has fairly poor range and is easily stuffed, making it mostly a combo/pressure tool. | |description=Moriya's fastest normal. Has fairly poor range and is easily stuffed, making it mostly a combo/pressure tool. As it hits on frame 4, it’s your go to for quick punish combos. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_df+A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_df+A_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_df+A.png | |||
|caption="Yeah I would've blocked that" | |caption="Yeah I would've blocked that" | ||
|name=3A | |name=3A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 19/2 | ||
|startup= 16 | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 30 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-9/-24 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= H | |guard= H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 14/0 | |||
|startup= 16 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= 30 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=-9/-24 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=A special cancelable instant overhead. Can be chained into off other A normals in speed/EX, and can set up a knockdown or confirm super for surprising damage in either mode. Wildly unsafe unless canceled into an A teleport (thus giving up your turn), so use with some caution. | |description=A special cancelable instant overhead. Can be chained into off other A normals in speed/EX, and can set up a knockdown or confirm super for surprising damage in either mode. Wildly unsafe unless canceled into an A teleport (thus giving up your turn), so use with some caution. Mixing this with 3C is a good mixup for chain combos in speed/ex. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_B.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_B_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_B.png | |||
|caption=Not the chain version | |caption=Not the chain version | ||
|name=5B | |name=5B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 30/3 | ||
|startup= 14 | |||
|active= 1 | |||
|recovery= 26 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 16/0 | |||
|startup= 14 | |||
|active= 1 | |active= 1 | ||
|recovery= 26 | |recovery= 26 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Very large disjoint, but is quite slow across the board. Largely outclassed by your other pokes, but can be decent off a jump in when playing power. Can be linked out of using teleport cancels. | |description=Very large disjoint, but is quite slow across the board. Largely outclassed by your other pokes, but can be decent off a jump in when playing power. Can be linked out of using teleport cancels. | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_b+B.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_b+B_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_b+B.png | |||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_b+B2.png | |||
|caption=Misinput that still combos | |caption=Misinput that still combos | ||
|name=4B | |name=4B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 26/3 | ||
|startup= 20 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= 34 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= -5/-13 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 16/0 | |||
|startup= 14 | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 36 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-8/-28 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Somewhat sluggish anti-air. Can be chained into during speed chains, and leads to a combo if teleport canceled. Once again largely outclassed by your other tools, but has a few niche uses thanks to its relative safety on block. | |description=Somewhat sluggish anti-air. Can be chained into during speed chains, and leads to a combo if teleport canceled. Once again largely outclassed by your other tools, but has a few niche uses thanks to its relative safety on block. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_f+B.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_f+B_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_f+B.png | |||
|caption=Have you considered 412B? | |caption=Have you considered 412B? | ||
|name=6B | |name=6B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 50/6 | ||
|startup= 22 | |||
|active= 1 | |active= 1 | ||
|recovery= 33 | |recovery= 33 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=23/0 | |||
|startup= 15 | |||
|active= 1 | |||
|recovery= 33 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Very large, damaging counterpoke from half screen. No real reason to use over a teleport thanks to AC cancels. | |description=Very large, damaging counterpoke from half screen. No real reason to use over a teleport thanks to AC cancels. | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_C.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_C_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_C.png | |||
|caption=Pop quiz! | |caption=Pop quiz! | ||
|name=5C | |name=5C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|damage= 13/1 | |||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 5 | |||
|recovery= 18 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=0/-15 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 11/0 | |||
|startup= 6 | |startup= 6 | ||
|active= 5 | |active= 5 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 18 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=0/-15 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Hits OTG. If whiffed behind a knocked down opponent in the corner it will cause a fake crossup. Preferred OTG if you have a guaranteed timerscam lined up as it can be immediately and safely canceled into teleport. | |description=Hits OTG. If whiffed behind a knocked down opponent in the corner it will cause a fake crossup. Preferred OTG if you have a guaranteed timerscam lined up as it can be immediately and safely canceled into teleport. | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_f+C.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_f+C_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_f+C.png | |||
|caption=Twitter oki | |caption=Twitter oki | ||
|name=6C | |name=6C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 19/2 | ||
|startup= 11 | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= 31 | |recovery= 31 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= M | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 16/0 | |||
|startup=11 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery= 31 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Slow normal that causes a wall bounce. Special cancelable in power. | |description=Slow normal that causes a wall bounce. Special cancelable in power. | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_pBC.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_pBC_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_pBC.png | |||
|caption=Stop moving as Moriya | |caption=Stop moving as Moriya | ||
|name=BC(Power) | |name=BC(Power) | ||
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{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= 61 | |damage= 61 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 47~67 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= 43 | |recovery= 43 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD | |frame advantage=KD | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=UB | |guard=UB | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= None | |tech= None | ||
|description=Mediocre unblockable that can be delayed by holding the input. Can be deflected and Moriya's setplay is already absurd, so it's very rarely useful. | |description=Mediocre unblockable that can be delayed by holding the input. Can be deflected and Moriya's setplay is already absurd, so it's very rarely useful. | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_sBC.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_sBC_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Moriya_sBC.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_sBC2.png | |||
|caption=Stop pressuring as Moriya | |||
|name=BC(Speed/EX) | |name=BC(Speed/EX) | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= 19 | |damage= 19 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 23 | ||
|active= 3 | |active= 3 | ||
|recovery= 22 | |recovery= 22 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground/Air | ||
|description=Moriya steps forward and then performs a large overhead that can also clip jumping opponents. Staggers crouching opponents or otherwise launches. Unsafe on block. In the majority of pressure situations TP into 3A is more consistent and rewarding (while still not being that much riskier since Moriya's position actually does update during this move's startup), but if the opponent is prone to hold up back this can catch that while still enabling mixups. | |description=Moriya steps forward and then performs a large overhead that can also clip jumping opponents. Staggers crouching opponents or otherwise launches. Unsafe on block. In the majority of pressure situations TP into 3A is more consistent and rewarding (while still not being that much riskier since Moriya's position actually does update during this move's startup), but if the opponent is prone to hold up back this can catch that while still enabling mixups. Moriya can’t chain into this directly from A button attacks. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_df+B.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_df+B_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_df+B.png | |||
|caption=Either they're dead or they're dead | |caption=Either they're dead or they're dead | ||
|name=3B | |name=3B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= 21 | |damage= 21 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 13 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Ground | ||
|frame advantage=N/A | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=N/A | |guard=N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 21 | |||
|startup= 13 | |||
{{ | |||
| | |||
| | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Ground | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=N/A | ||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=Hits OTG. Used for max damage and still enables oki at closer ranges. | |||
|cancel= | |||
|tech= | |||
|description= | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
====Crouching==== | ====Crouching==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_d+A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_d+A.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_d+A.png | |||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_d+A2.png | |||
|caption="Blocked that too" | |caption="Blocked that too" | ||
|name=2A | |name=2A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|damage= 13/1 | |||
|startup= 6 | |startup= 6 | ||
|active= | |active= 1,1 | ||
|recovery= 17 | |recovery= 17 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+3/-7, +4/-7 | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 11/0 | |||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 1,1 | |||
|recovery= 18 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+3/-12, +4/-11 | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Quick low that leads to damage in speed/EX. Not as big or disjointed as it looks, but is key to Moriya's pressure in speed/EX thanks to how hard it is to option select in tandem with 3A during chains. | |description=Quick low that leads to damage in speed/EX. Not as big or disjointed as it looks, but is key to Moriya's pressure in speed/EX thanks to how hard it is to option select in tandem with 3A during chains. Note that this has 2 hitboxes, with minor changes to frame data depending on which connects. Rebounds on block in power. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_d+B.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_d+B.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_d+B.png | |||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_d+B2.png | |||
|caption=SNK hitboxes doing their job | |caption=SNK hitboxes doing their job | ||
|name=2B | |name=2B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|damage= 35/4 | |||
|startup= 13 | |startup= 13 | ||
|active= | |active= 1,1 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 25 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+2/-10, +3/-10 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 19/0 | |||
|startup= 13 | |||
|active= 1,1 | |||
|recovery= 25 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+2/-18, +3/-17 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description=Decent one button anti-air. | |description=Decent one button anti-air. Strong hitbox and paints a good portion of the screen, letting it close rounds fairly easily against more aggressive players. | ||
*Only the first hitbox can be canceled or chained after, meaning that 99% if the time you’ll be using 5B in combos | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|damage= 13/1 | |||
|startup= 6 | |startup= 6 | ||
|active= 3 | |active= 3 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 14 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+6/-9 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=L | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=Fast low that links into | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 11/0 | |||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 3 | |||
|recovery= 14 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+6/-9 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=Fast low that links into 4A to start combos. In all modes this is your go-to low during oki situations or off jump-ins as it is the hardest to fuzzy block and synergizes well with 82 oki. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 24/2 | ||
|active= | |startup= 10 | ||
|recovery= | |active= 2 | ||
|state= | |recovery= 32 | ||
|frame advantage= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= -/-25 | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=L | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=Basic sweep. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 19/0 | |||
|startup= 10 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= 32 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= -/-25 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=Basic sweep. Safe when canceled into 412A and the threat of 5A 2A 3A/3C is enough to give it some use as mixup in chain combos | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 13/1 | ||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 4 | |active= 4 | ||
|recovery=N/A | |recovery=N/A | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A fast air normal with a deceptively useful hitbox (and it already looks pretty good). Neutral jumping and slightly delaying this normal can make it incredibly difficult for characters reliant on hops for approaches to get in while still covering many common anti-airs. Can also be a decent jump-in as | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 11/0 | |||
|startup= 6 | |||
|active= 4 | |||
|recovery= N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=A fast air normal with a deceptively useful hitbox (and it already looks pretty good). Neutral jumping and slightly delaying this normal can make it incredibly difficult for characters reliant on hops for approaches to get in, while still covering many common anti-airs. Can also be a decent jump-in as speed/EX Moriya get a full combo from even max range. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 26/3 | ||
|startup= 14 | |||
|active= 4 | |active= 4 | ||
|recovery=N/A | |recovery=N/A | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 13/0 | |||
|startup= 14 | |||
|active= 4 | |||
|recovery= N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=Does the most damage of your air normals, but not that much more and lacks a disjoint. Optimal if you see the opponent whiff something big as you start your jump. | |description=Does the most damage of your air normals, but not that much more and lacks a disjoint. Optimal if you see the opponent whiff something big as you start your jump. | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 13/1 | ||
|startup= 5 | |||
|active= 6 | |||
|recovery= N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 11/0 | |||
|startup= 5 | |||
|active= 6 | |active= 6 | ||
|recovery= N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=Your fastest air normal, and also the one with the best air-to-ground disjoint. Crosses up fairly easily. At closer ranges this is often the preferred means of extending pressure when the opponent is trying to mash from fear of teleports. As this is your only cross up button, it's also used very frequently during oki situations. | |||
}} | |||
}} | |||
====Dashing==== | |||
{{MoveData | |||
|image=LB2_Moriya_dashA.png | |||
|caption=Mid/Mid/Mid mixups | |||
|name=Dashing High | |||
|data= | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= 26/3 | |||
|startup= 13 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 19/0 | |||
|startup= 13 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
|description=Massively disjointed normal with forwards momentum. Can be linked out of with TP cancels. Chains into B/C normals when playing speed/EX allowing for hitconfirms into your TP loop just within its max range. Spaced perfectly with 412A>AC while the camera is zoomed in, allowing for some gimmicks between this and feinting teleports. | |||
}} | |||
}} | |||
{{MoveData | |||
|image=LB2_Moriya_dashB.png | |||
|caption=Technically still a mix | |||
|name=Dashing Low | |||
|data= | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= 26/3 | |||
|startup= 11 | |||
|active= 10 | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= 19/0 | |||
|startup= 11 | |||
|active= 10 | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=A sliding sweep which is wildly unsafe on block. Hits low but the reward is just not worth the risk. | |||
}} | |||
}} | |||
====Speed chain==== | |||
{{MoveData | |||
|image=LB2_Moriya_5AA.png | |||
|caption=Fill them combos | |||
|name=5A>A | |||
|data= | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|damage= 15 | |||
|startup= 8 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= +1/-14 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
|description=Combo filler. Does less damage than 5a>2a, but it combos from slightly farther away making it decent for the first rep of a TP loop. Frame advantage assumes you do nothing after this hits or is blocked. Following with 3C or 3A can make a mix after this, but it’s not as quick as 5A 2A 3C/3A | |||
}} | |||
}} | |||
{{MoveData | |||
|image=LB2_Moriya_5AB.png | |||
|hitbox=LB2_Moriya_5AB.png | |||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_5AB2.png | |||
|caption=L00ps | |||
|caption2=*Confused screaming* | |||
|name=5A>B | |||
|data= | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|damage= 22 | |||
|startup= 11 | |||
|active=1,1 | |||
|recovery=28 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= -1/-14 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= | |||
|description= Exists to be TP canceled. Massive frame advantage on hit if canceled into 412B>AC allowing for a fairly easy hitconfirmable infinite that does good damage. Can also be canceled into 412A>AC on block to make virtually any speed chain safe, and is difficult enough to react to that resetting pressure with 412B>AC or even 412C is very practical. Be warned that there is a large gap when using an aggressive teleport, allowing the opponent to mash out. This can however be baited in a number of ways, most notably either by canceling TP into deflect or using the A TP immediately before attempting a B TP. While it is negative on hit when you do nothing after, cancelling into B teleport gives it enough + frames to combo any A or C attack (minus 6C) | |||
}} | |||
}} | |||
{{MoveData | |||
|image=LB2_Moriya_5ABC.png | |||
|caption=Not l00ps | |||
|name=5A>B>C | |||
|data= | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|damage= 47 | |||
|startup= 11 | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=K | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= | |tech= | ||
|description= | |description=Moriya's autocombo ender. Completely undermines Moriya's incredible damage and oki, never use this. Even if you want an easy combo 236A(x3) is miles better by every metric. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
*All moves in this section are exclusive to speed/EX mode | |||
==Special Moves== | ==Special Moves== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|input=236A/B | |input=236A/B | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A_image.png | ||
| | |image2=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A2_image.png | ||
| | |image3=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A3_image.png | ||
| | |hitbox=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A2.png | |||
|hitbox3=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A3.png | |||
|caption3=A version | |||
|image4=LB2_Moriya_qcf+A_image.png | |||
|image5=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B2_image.png | |||
|image6=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B3_image.png | |||
|image7=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B4_image.png | |||
|hitbox4=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B.png | |||
|hitbox5=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B2.png | |||
|hitbox6=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B3.png | |||
|hitbox7=LB2_Moriya_qcf+B4.png | |||
|caption7=B version | |||
|name=Glancing Blade Moonlight | |name=Glancing Blade Moonlight | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=A | |version=Power A | ||
|damage= - | |damage= - | ||
|startup= | |startup= 23 | ||
|active= - | |active= - | ||
|recovery= - | |recovery= - | ||
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|cancel= ×/× | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= - | |tech= - | ||
|description=A rekka which can be combo'd into from incredibly far away. Follow up hits are performed by repeating the 236A input. The first and second hits are super cancelable in power/EX, | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed A | |||
|damage= - | |||
|startup= 23 | |||
|active= - | |||
|recovery= - | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M/H | |||
|cancel= ×/× | |||
|tech= - | |||
|description=A rekka which can be combo'd into from incredibly far away. Follow up hits are performed by repeating the 236A input. The first and second hits are super cancelable in power/EX, cancelling the first into dm for full hits from the dm is best in combos. The second hit of the rekka is unique as in power or EX it will launch the opponent upwards, but in speed it will keep the opponent grounded. Serves mostly as a combo ender if you're unsure whether you're in range for DP. Both versions can be canceled into either 214A/B//C or 623A/B for first 2 rekkas of A version, and first 3 of B version. | |||
}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=B | |version=Power B | ||
|damage= | |damage= 24/3 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 33 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= 72 | |recovery= 72 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= --/-40 | |frame advantage= --/-40 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 2/8/4 | ||
|guard= M/H | |guard= M/H | ||
|cancel= ×/× | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= Air | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A slower, fullscreen version of the rekka which can be canceled into itself 4 times for a knockdown in | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed B | |||
|damage= 21/2 | |||
|startup= 33 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= 72 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= --/-40 | |||
|meter gain= 1/3/1 | |||
|guard= M/H | |||
|cancel= ×/× | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=A slower, fullscreen version of the rekka which can be canceled into itself 4 times for a huge damage super cancel for power/ex or a knockdown in speed mode. Can still be super canceled, however there are no real ways to combo into it. Pretty much entirely a gimmick for players that don't know how to abare. Only guaranteed after a deflect or from a big punish opportunity. In speed mode you can link a fandango (22A/B) after the 3rd rekka as it launches higher than normal. In power mode 236Bx4 into dm is around 160 damage by itself. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|input=214A/B/C/D | |input=214A/B/C/D | ||
|image=LB2_Moriya_qcb+A.png | |image=LB2_Moriya_qcb+A_image.png | ||
| | |image2=LB2_Moriya_qcb+A2_image.png | ||
| | |hitbox=LB2_Moriya_qcb+A.png | ||
| | |hitbox2=LB2_Moriya_qcb+A2.png | ||
| | |caption2=A version | ||
| | |image3=LB2_Moriya_qcb+B_image.png | ||
|image4=LB2_Moriya_qcb+B2_image.png | |||
|hitbox3=LB2_Moriya_qcb+B.png | |||
|hitbox4=LB2_Moriya_qcb+B2.png | |||
|caption4=B version | |||
|image5=LB2_Moriya_qcb+C_image.png | |||
|image6=LB2_Moriya_qcb+C2_image.png | |||
|hitbox5=LB2_Moriya_qcb+C.png | |||
|hitbox6=LB2_Moriya_qcb+C2.png | |||
|caption6=C version | |||
|name=Glancing Blade Haze | |name=Glancing Blade Haze | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=A | |version=Power A | ||
|damage= | |damage= 30 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 15 | ||
|active= 2,2 | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed A | |||
|damage= 21 | |||
|startup= 15 | |||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= M | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=An extended long slash whose late hit can clash with projectiles. By holding the button, you can delay the move. Delaying it long enough will expand its hitbox to reach nearly fullscreen (indicated by Moriya flashing). Additionally the stance can be canceled at any time by pressing D, however the cancel will take longer depending on how long Moriya was in stance. The first hit of the move can also be canceled by pressing D with good timing, allowing juggles that would normally be impossible or making tech chases significantly safer. Be warned that on all versions the hurtbox will extend a frame before the hitbox, meaning you could potentially get stuffed by pre-emptive pokes at closer ranges (however this is unlikely and will often be too far to combo). | |description=An extended long slash whose late hit can clash with projectiles. By holding the button, you can delay the move. Delaying it long enough will expand its hitbox to reach nearly fullscreen (indicated by Moriya flashing). Additionally the stance can be canceled at any time by pressing D, however the cancel will take longer depending on how long Moriya was in stance. The first hit of the move can also be canceled by pressing D with good timing, allowing juggles that would normally be impossible or making tech chases significantly safer. Be warned that on all versions the hurtbox will extend a frame before the hitbox, meaning you could potentially get stuffed by pre-emptive pokes at closer ranges (however this is unlikely and will often be too far to combo). | ||
This version is at a diagonal angle upwards; making it useful as | This version is at a diagonal angle upwards; making it useful as a low commitment anti-air, tech chase, and combo too. Can hit the big bodies standing or dashing, making this your primary grounded poke in those matchups as well. Startup listed is when the first hit box appears. All version can be held up to 200F at which point they release on their own. After 110F they gain a small damage boost. All versions are air unblockable | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=B | |version=Power B | ||
|damage= | |damage= 28 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 15 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2,2 | ||
|recovery= - | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= ×/× | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed B | |||
|damage= 21 | |||
|startup= 15 | |||
|active= 2,2 | |||
|recovery= - | |recovery= - | ||
|state= Any | |state= Any | ||
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|guard= M | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= ×/× | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=Same properties as above, now angled directly in front of Moriya. Primary poke from half screen in most matchups, as the disjoint is incredibly difficult to contest and the startup can be canceled if you recognize that a situation is going poorly shortly after pressing. Be warned that many moves which advance forwards can still low stature this version, such as Mukuro's crawl. | |description=Same properties as above, now angled directly in front of Moriya. Primary poke from half screen in most matchups, as the disjoint is incredibly difficult to contest and the startup can be canceled if you recognize that a situation is going poorly shortly after pressing. Be warned that many moves which advance forwards can still low stature this version, such as Mukuro's crawl. | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=C | |version=Power C | ||
|damage= | |damage= 28 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 16 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= - | |recovery= - | ||
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|guard= L | |guard= L | ||
|cancel= ×/× | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= - | |tech= Air | ||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed C | |||
|damage= 21 | |||
|startup= 16 | |||
|active= 2 | |||
|recovery= - | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= L | |||
|cancel= ×/× | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=Same properties as the versions above, except this time both hits are low and travel along the ground. Can be used to stuff low statured approaches, however its anti-air presence is completely nonexistent making it often the most committal version in practice. Also has some application to pester opponents blocking high at a little beyond a character length away, eventually conditioning them to get hit by hop j.a. | |description=Same properties as the versions above, except this time both hits are low and travel along the ground. Can be used to stuff low statured approaches, however its anti-air presence is completely nonexistent making it often the most committal version in practice. Also has some application to pester opponents blocking high at a little beyond a character length away, eventually conditioning them to get hit by hop j.a. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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|caption=A version | |caption=A version | ||
|image2=LB2_Moriya_dp+B.png | |image2=LB2_Moriya_dp+B.png | ||
|caption2=B version | |caption2=B version (1st hitbox) | ||
|name=Glancing Blade New Moon | |name=Glancing Blade New Moon | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=A | |version=Power A | ||
|damage= | |||
|startup= 4 | |||
|active= 1,4 | |||
|recovery= 43 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed A | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= 4 | ||
|active= | |active= 1,4 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 43 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground/None | ||
|description=Multi-hit DP that serves as Moriya's fastest dedicated anti-air. Won't cause a hard knockdown | |description=Multi-hit DP that serves as Moriya's fastest dedicated anti-air. Won't cause a hard knockdown on the first hit, however it can be followed up with 623B in speed/EX in order to deal massive damage and gain phenominal oki. As such this is your main combo ender in those modes. The follow up can be made consistent at longer ranges by delaying the rekka. Main combo ender in power for short combos as it will cause a soft knockdown you can tech chase after if the opponent recovers. From farther out the 2nd hitbox (anti air hit box for that purpose) is active on frame 6. There is a 1F gap between the first and second hitboxes. Recovery listed is power mode by itself and speed/ex mode if not followed up with 623B | ||
<gallery class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" data-expandtext="show hitboxes" data-collapsetext="hide hitboxes"> | <gallery class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" data-expandtext="show hitboxes" data-collapsetext="hide hitboxes"> | ||
LB2_Moriya_dp+A2.png|2nd hitbox | LB2_Moriya_dp+A2.png|2nd hitbox | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=B | |version=Power B | ||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= 15 | ||
|active= | |active= 1,2,2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= 29 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
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|header=no | |||
|version=Speed B | |||
|damage= - | |||
|startup= 15 | |||
|active= 1,2,2 | |||
|recovery= - | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= ×/× | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A slower version of the above move that covers a larger | |description=A slower version of the above move that covers a larger horizontal space. Has less recovery than the A version for some reason, but still horribly unsafe on block | ||
*This version is only really safe to use in speed/ex after 623A since it will cause a hard knockdown in that sequence. By itself in any mode the opponent can air recover (even off an anti air hit) and potentially punish you. 1F gap between the first 2 hitboxes | |||
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{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version= Power | |||
|damage= N/A | |damage= N/A | ||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= N/A | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard= N/A | |guard= N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= N/A | |tech= N/A | ||
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|version=Speed | |||
|damage= N/A | |||
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|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= 0 | |||
|guard= N/A | |||
|cancel= ×/× | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=A teleport that will travel to a different spot on the screen depending on the version used. | |description=A teleport that will travel to a different spot on the screen depending on the version used. | ||
* A- Behind Moriya, distance varries based on camera zoom | * A- Behind Moriya, distance varries based on camera zoom | ||
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{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage= 86/16 | ||
|active= | |startup= 19 | ||
|recovery= | |active= 16 hit boxes active for 2F each, with varying gaps between hits | ||
|state= | |recovery= 39 | ||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= 0 | |||
|guard= M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
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{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=76/16 | |||
|startup= 19 | |||
|active= same as power | |||
|recovery= 39 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard= | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A multihit super which can be delayed by holding the button. Does a massive amount of chip, but is very easy to GC so it's very situational in that regard. Primarily used as a combo ender to close a round, however it is prone to uncombo on airborn opponents making the damage inconsistent | |description=A multihit super which can be delayed by holding the button. Does a massive amount of chip, but is very easy to GC so it's very situational in that regard. Primarily used as a combo ender to close a round, however it is prone to uncombo on airborn opponents making the damage inconsistent (the lower slashes can’t juggle) If the super uncombos when the opponent would have otherwise died to the previous hit, they will still die upon hitting the ground. Can find some niche use as an anti-air just because of how much space it takes up. Air unblockable | ||
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{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |damage= 110/4 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 23 | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard= | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= None | ||
|description=Moriya quickly runs forwards, playing a very damaging cinematic upon hitting an opponent. Surprisingly decent counter-poke or frame trap, however combos into it typically don't add much damage. | |description=Moriya quickly runs forwards, playing a very damaging cinematic upon hitting an opponent. Surprisingly decent counter-poke or frame trap, however combos into it typically don't add much damage. Air unblockable. | ||
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==Combos== | ==Combos== | ||
===Any Mode=== | ===Any Mode=== | ||
*Dash A/B, | *Dash A/B, 623A/214x/641236AB | ||
*Dash A/B, 236A(x3) | *Dash A/B, 236A(x3) | ||
*jB, 5B | *jB, 5B 214x/623A | ||
*jB, 5B, 236A(x3)(5C/3B otg in power/ex) | |||
*jB, 5A/B, 641236AB | |||
*jB, 5B, 236A( | *2C 4A any special or 641236AB | ||
*236B(x3) 623A/214A 641236AB | |||
*jB, 5A/B, | *5B 412B AC 4A/5A/5C any special or 641236AB | ||
*236B(x3) | *2C 4Ax2 any special or 641236AB | ||
*4Ax3 any special or 641236AB | |||
*5B/4B 412B (A+C) 4A/5A/5C any special or 641236AB | |||
===Power Mode | ===Power Mode=== | ||
*jB, 6C, 214B | *jB, 6C, 214B | ||
*jB, 6C, | *jB, 6C, 214A~D 623A, 3B corner | ||
*jB, 6C, 641236AB | *jB, 6C, 641236AB | ||
*4Ax2/3 623A/214x/641236AB | |||
*2C 4A 623A/214x/641236AB | |||
*jB 4/5B 412B~AC 4A 641236AB | |||
*6C 641236B | |||
*5A 641236AB good for a quick punish | |||
*4B/5B 236Ax2 214A(D after hit)x2 623A 3B/5C otg. Corner | |||
*4B/5B 236Ax2 214A (2hits) 623A 3B. Slightly more damage than above, but less style | |||
===Speed Mode Only=== | ===Speed Mode Only=== | ||
* | *236Bx3, 214A (D after hit)x2 623A 623B corner | ||
*236Bx3, 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 5A 5B 5C 5C 5B 5A 236C | |||
===EX Mode Only=== | ===EX Mode Only=== | ||
*Dash A/B>5B, 641236B | *Dash A/B>5B, 641236B | ||
* | *4A>A>A>5B, 631236B | ||
* | *2C 4A 5A 2A 5B 236A(x2), 214A(D after hit)x2 623A 623B, 3B (corner) | ||
*chain to 5B 236A 641236AB | |||
===Power and EX Mode=== | ===Power and EX Mode=== | ||
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*236B(x3), 623A 623B, 663BCD | *236B(x3), 623A 623B, 663BCD | ||
*jB, 4A>A>A>5B 236A(x2) 623a 623b, 663BCD | *jB, 4A>A>A>5B 236A(x2) 623a 623b, 663BCD | ||
: Requires delayed 623a in EX | : Requires delayed or a dash 623a in EX depending on distance. Bnb in either mode. In ex mode it’s easier to do the 3rd 236A rekka for marginally less damage. | ||
*jB, 5A>B>C | *jB, 5A>B>C | ||
: Autocombo. No reason to go for this other than ease of execution. | : Autocombo. No reason to go for this other than ease of execution. | ||
*jB, 4A>A>A>5B 6C | *jB, 4A>A>A>5B 6C | ||
*2C 4A>2A>3A>214C | |||
: low, high, low, high, low combo | |||
*5A>2A>3A 623A>623B or 641236AB. | |||
: This is used often for a mixup leading to decent damage and knockdown. | |||
*5A>2A>3C | |||
: mix in with above combo to keep them guessing after 2A | |||
*BC, 214B | *BC, 214B | ||
*Dash A/B>2B | *Dash A/B>2B>BC 214A/B(D after hit) 623A>623B 3B. | ||
: 623A>623B is far easier to connect after a BC than doing the full combo but this is possible. Corner only. | |||
*236B(x3) 641236AB | *236B(x3) 641236AB | ||
: Becomes a cancel in EX, but there's also no reason to only use 3 rekkas in | : Becomes a cancel in EX, but there's also no reason to only use 3 rekkas in ex. Only works after a deflect or as a punish to something with a lot of recovery. | ||
*jB, (5A>2A>5B 412B, AC,)x2, 4A>A>5B 236a(x2) 623A>623B, 3B | *jB, (5A>2A>5B 412B, AC,)x2, 4A>A>5B 236a(x2) 623A>623B, 3B | ||
: Moriya's teleport loop | : Moriya's teleport loop | ||
*jB, 5A>2A>5B 412B, AC, 4a>2a>5b 236a(x2) 623a>623B, 3B | *jB, 5A>2A>5B 412B, AC, 4a>2a>5b 236a(x2) 623a>623B, 3B | ||
: Some formats limit Moriya teleport to one use per combo, in which case use this. The damage difference is slight so this is also worth going for if you're not consistent with the loop yet. | : Some formats limit Moriya teleport to one use per combo, in which case use this. The damage difference is slight so this is also worth going for if you're not consistent with the loop yet. | ||
*22A/B A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC, | *5A>2A>5B 412B, AC, 5C 623A 623B/641236AB | ||
: Anti-air deflect conversion | :variation of the above. Some rule sets use this as a bnb to prevent any attacks from being looped after a teleport as 5C can’t be linked to other normals. | ||
*22A/B A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC,412C (hold release A) 623A>623B 3B | |||
: Anti-air deflect conversion for style. | |||
*5A 5B 22A/B or 5A 2A 5B 22A/B. True 50/50 fandango setup at point blank on hit. | |||
===Super Speed Combos=== | ===Super Speed Combos=== | ||
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==Videos== | ==Videos== | ||
{{#ev:youtube|xwN9tMKAqvA|||'''Moriya [CHARACTER BREAKDOWN & MOVELIST]''' by [https://www.twitter.com/MELLOWLINK_ TK_MELLOWLINK]|frame}} | {{#ev:youtube|xwN9tMKAqvA|||'''Moriya [CHARACTER BREAKDOWN & MOVELIST]''' by [https://www.twitter.com/MELLOWLINK_ TK_MELLOWLINK]|frame}} | ||
{{#ev:youtube|d4gDEF1z8N0|||'''Moriya high level play tutorial''' by wongkenfeng|frame}} | |||
The above video demonstrates advanced forms of Moriya okizeme, taking heavy advantage of run canceling (performed by quickly tapping up then down after running through an opponent) | |||
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Latest revision as of 04:52, 17 April 2024
Overview
Despite Moriya's incredible set of midrange zoning tools, he remains defined by possessing the greatest mobility option in the game: a nearly instant teleport. These two traits in tandem allow Moriya to heavily dominate every aspect of neutral through largely reactionary play. This all culminates into his setplay which thanks to some advanced techniques essentially translates to a safe 4 way that can ignore recovery rolls. Despite requiring relatively strong execution to bring into his full potential, masters of the character will be able to run circles around the opponent and still find a way to directly beat out many staple pokes.
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Strategy
Normals
Standing
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Crouching
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Air
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Dashing
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Speed chain
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5A>B
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- All moves in this section are exclusive to speed/EX mode
Special Moves
Glancing Blade Moonlight 236A/B
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Glancing Blade Haze 214A/B/C/D
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Glancing Blade New Moon 623A/B |
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Sash Blade Moonwalk 412A/B/C |
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Desperation Moves
Life and Death Moonlight Flash 641236AB |
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Super Desperation Moves
Life and Death Wild Season 641236B |
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Combos
Any Mode
- Dash A/B, 623A/214x/641236AB
- Dash A/B, 236A(x3)
- jB, 5B 214x/623A
- jB, 5B, 236A(x3)(5C/3B otg in power/ex)
- jB, 5A/B, 641236AB
- 2C 4A any special or 641236AB
- 236B(x3) 623A/214A 641236AB
- 5B 412B AC 4A/5A/5C any special or 641236AB
- 2C 4Ax2 any special or 641236AB
- 4Ax3 any special or 641236AB
- 5B/4B 412B (A+C) 4A/5A/5C any special or 641236AB
Power Mode
- jB, 6C, 214B
- jB, 6C, 214A~D 623A, 3B corner
- jB, 6C, 641236AB
- 4Ax2/3 623A/214x/641236AB
- 2C 4A 623A/214x/641236AB
- jB 4/5B 412B~AC 4A 641236AB
- 6C 641236B
- 5A 641236AB good for a quick punish
- 4B/5B 236Ax2 214A(D after hit)x2 623A 3B/5C otg. Corner
- 4B/5B 236Ax2 214A (2hits) 623A 3B. Slightly more damage than above, but less style
Speed Mode Only
- 236Bx3, 214A (D after hit)x2 623A 623B corner
- 236Bx3, 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 5A 5B 5C 5C 5B 5A 236C
EX Mode Only
- Dash A/B>5B, 641236B
- 4A>A>A>5B, 631236B
- 2C 4A 5A 2A 5B 236A(x2), 214A(D after hit)x2 623A 623B, 3B (corner)
- chain to 5B 236A 641236AB
Power and EX Mode
- 236B(x4), 641236AB
- jB, 5B 236A 641236AB
- Dash A/B 641236B
Speed and EX Mode
- 236B(x3), 623A 623B, 663BCD
- jB, 4A>A>A>5B 236A(x2) 623a 623b, 663BCD
- Requires delayed or a dash 623a in EX depending on distance. Bnb in either mode. In ex mode it’s easier to do the 3rd 236A rekka for marginally less damage.
- jB, 5A>B>C
- Autocombo. No reason to go for this other than ease of execution.
- jB, 4A>A>A>5B 6C
- 2C 4A>2A>3A>214C
- low, high, low, high, low combo
- 5A>2A>3A 623A>623B or 641236AB.
- This is used often for a mixup leading to decent damage and knockdown.
- 5A>2A>3C
- mix in with above combo to keep them guessing after 2A
- BC, 214B
- Dash A/B>2B>BC 214A/B(D after hit) 623A>623B 3B.
- 623A>623B is far easier to connect after a BC than doing the full combo but this is possible. Corner only.
- 236B(x3) 641236AB
- Becomes a cancel in EX, but there's also no reason to only use 3 rekkas in ex. Only works after a deflect or as a punish to something with a lot of recovery.
- jB, (5A>2A>5B 412B, AC,)x2, 4A>A>5B 236a(x2) 623A>623B, 3B
- Moriya's teleport loop
- jB, 5A>2A>5B 412B, AC, 4a>2a>5b 236a(x2) 623a>623B, 3B
- Some formats limit Moriya teleport to one use per combo, in which case use this. The damage difference is slight so this is also worth going for if you're not consistent with the loop yet.
- 5A>2A>5B 412B, AC, 5C 623A 623B/641236AB
- variation of the above. Some rule sets use this as a bnb to prevent any attacks from being looped after a teleport as 5C can’t be linked to other normals.
- 22A/B A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC,412C (hold release A) 623A>623B 3B
- Anti-air deflect conversion for style.
- 5A 5B 22A/B or 5A 2A 5B 22A/B. True 50/50 fandango setup at point blank on hit.
Super Speed Combos
A + B + C + A + B + C + A + B + 236C (109 Damage) A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + A + 236C (138 damage) A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC (96 Damage) A + B + C + 2C + A + 6BC + A + B + 236B (134 Damage)
Videos
The above video demonstrates advanced forms of Moriya okizeme, taking heavy advantage of run canceling (performed by quickly tapping up then down after running through an opponent)