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==Overview== | ==Overview== | ||
==== | Serving as the "shoto" of the roster, Kaede is a fairly well-rounded character with minimal execution barriers. Primarily aiming to fight at mid to close range and built to bait deflects. He's easily the best in Power mode. However, his Speed mode does have some unique advantages. | ||
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<div class="movelist-toggles"> | |||
<div id="movelist-toggle-1" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:Power_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-toggle-2" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:Speed_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-toggle-3" class="movelist-toggle-button"> [[File:EX_Icon.png|50px|link=]]</div> | |||
</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-1" class="movelist"><!-- Power --> | |||
{{ProConTable | |||
|pros= | |||
* Strong pokes in neutral | |||
* Simple yet effective hit confirms | |||
* Forces favorable trades incredibly easily | |||
* Incredible anti-air and air-to-air presence | |||
* Highest meterless damage from command grab | |||
-Long range pokes typically have significant hurtbox extension | |cons= | ||
* Long range pokes typically have significant hurtbox extension | |||
* No mix beyond his basic stagger pressure | |||
* Poor oki | |||
- | * A bug that forces him to stand up after being in a hard knockdown state and getting hit by an OTG means opponents can loop their pressure on him, or even get a guaranteed 50/50 in the form of fandango | ||
}}</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-2" class="movelist"><!-- Speed--> | |||
{{ProConTable | |||
|pros= | |||
* 5A>A is one of the best empty cancels in the game | |||
* Simple yet effective hit confirms | |||
* Effective low crushes to accentuate strike/throw game plan | |||
* High metered damage off command grab | |||
|cons= | |||
* Long range pokes typically have significant hurtbox extension | |||
* Low damage on individual hits, compounding the above weakness | |||
* Struggles to confirm super outside of command grab | |||
* Recovery roll bug is still present, with the above disadvantages | |||
}}</div> | |||
<div id="movelist-3" class="movelist"><!-- EX --> | |||
{{ProConTable | |||
|pros= | |||
* Same strengths as speed, with slightly higher potential damage from command grab | |||
|cons= | |||
* Same weaknesses as speed | |||
* Massive defense penalty makes trades even worse | |||
* 214A super cancels don't work mid combo}} | |||
</div> | |||
==Strategy== | |||
For the majority of matchups, you'll be attempting to poke out the opponent at mid range until you find a chance to get a hop, at which point you can begin baiting deflects and fishing for his incredibly rewarding command grab. Although his mixups are fairly linear and often reactable, Kaede can steal the opponent's turn surprisingly easily even in power mode. This allows him to go on the offensive while still maintaining access to high damage pokes and whiff punishes. Although his long range presence is not particularly strong, he has access to both a fireball and some strong (and frankly underrated) options from dashing in. Put this in tandem with the unique properties of his air-fireball, and Kaede can effectively threaten the opponent from any range. In speed mode, Kaede can bank a lot harder on his pressure, gaining access to a pair of fast overheads and becoming even better at baiting deflects. This makes his command grab all the more threatening, especially when you consider that in speed he can confirm fandangos off of it. However, the majority of Kaede's confirms become weaker in speed, and he generally trades less favorably with most normals (a huge weakness given that Kaede has significant hurtbox extension on his more commital pokes). In either mode, Kaede's disadvantage state is disproportionately strong. This is because he has access to a high-priority jab, standing A reaches relatively far compared to most 4f jabs, and during tech chase situations he has access to two different air fireballs as well as a fast high priority jumping normal. This allows him to viably air tech against the majority of the roster, as he will often force a favorable trade and get the opponent off of him. | |||
==Normals== | ==Normals== | ||
====Standing==== | ====Standing==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_A_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_A.png | ||
|caption=Shoto's gotta shoto | |||
|name=5A | |name=5A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=16 | |recovery=16 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+5/-7 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=-M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A very fast but decently long range poke with good horizontal priority. Easily Kaede's best grounded poke due to being incredibly noncommital and stuffing most approach attempts. Notably it can also combo into most specials depending on your range, with DP in particular being very consistent at even longer ranges. Can serve as an anti-air if spaced against jump ins with weak air-to-ground priority. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=8/0 | |||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=16 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=+5/-10 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=○/○ | |||
|tech=Air | |||
|description=A very fast but decently long range poke with good horizontal priority. Has the most reach for any 5A of any character in game by a few pixels. Easily Kaede's best grounded poke due to being incredibly noncommital and stuffing most approach attempts. Notably it can also combo into most specials depending on your range, with DP in particular being very consistent at even longer ranges. Can serve as an anti-air if spaced against jump ins with weak air-to-ground priority. Confirms into 236236B sdm as well for a comeback tool. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_b+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_b+A_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_b+A.png | ||
|caption=Slap | |||
|name=4A | |name=4A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=12 | |recovery=12 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+9/-6 | |frame advantage=+9/-6 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A short jab with a deceptively high priority hitbox. This is likely going to be your primary combo starter in power mode, as it links into itself easily and | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=8/0 | |||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=12 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=+9/-6 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=○/○ | |||
|tech=Air | |||
|description=A short jab with a deceptively high priority hitbox. This is likely going to be your primary combo starter in power mode, as it links into itself easily and serves as your fastest normal to escape pressure. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_B_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_B.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_5AB2.png | |||
|caption=Not a poke | |||
|name=5B | |name=5B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=30/3 | ||
|active= | |startup=11 | ||
|active=2,1 | |||
|recovery=22 | |recovery=22 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+4/-10,+6/-8 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=-M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A fairly slow normal with moderate range and is unsafe on block. Notably can combo into 214A from a significant distance away from the opponent, making it a solid punish tool in power mode against unsafe blockstrings. Not advisable to use in neutral. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=16/0 | |||
|startup=11 | |||
|active=2,1 | |||
|recovery=22 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=+4/-16,+6/-14 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=○/○ | |||
|tech=Air | |||
|description=A fairly slow normal with moderate range and is unsafe on block. Notably can combo into 214A from a significant distance away from the opponent, making it a solid punish tool in power mode against unsafe blockstrings. Not advisable to use in neutral. The 2nd hitbox can hit behind opponents on the ground, and if you can land it in that way it can combo to 214B. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_f+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_f+B_images.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_f+B.png | ||
|caption=Is a poke (and it's not broken) | |||
|name=6B | |name=6B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=50/6 | ||
|startup=20 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=34 | |recovery=34 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-8/-13 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=23/0 | |||
|startup=14 | |||
|active=4 | |||
|recovery=34 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=-8/-28 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=x/x | |||
|tech=Air | |||
|description=A long range poke which is deceptively safe at max range in power mode. Typically doesn't lead to much damage due to not being cancelable (especially so in speed/EX), but can leave you with solid frame advantage. Does a sizable chunk of damage on counter hit in power mode, and comes out very quickly in speed/EX. A damaging and consistent ender for speed chains. | |description=A long range poke which is deceptively safe at max range in power mode. Typically doesn't lead to much damage due to not being cancelable (especially so in speed/EX), but can leave you with solid frame advantage. Does a sizable chunk of damage on counter hit in power mode, and comes out very quickly in speed/EX. A damaging and consistent ender for speed chains. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_C_images.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_C.png | ||
|caption=You didn't want to commit to 3b | |||
|name=5C | |name=5C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=10 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=16 | |recovery=16 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+3/-12 | |frame advantage=+3/-12 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description= | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=9 | |||
|active=4 | |||
|recovery=16 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=+3/-12 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=○/○ | |||
|tech=Air | |||
|description=Only used for otg. Using 41236C after otg 5C is common for meter gain | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_f+C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_f+C_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_f+C.png | ||
|caption=1f time | |||
|name=6C | |name=6C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=19/2 | ||
|startup=8 | |||
|active=3 | |active=3 | ||
|recovery=32 | |recovery=32 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=-/-26 | |frame advantage=-/-26 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= M | |guard= M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= None | ||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=16/0 | |||
|startup=8 | |||
|active=3 | |||
|recovery=32 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=-/-26 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel=x/x | |||
|tech=None | |||
|description=A wallbounce with decent range. Can be canceled in power for super confirms, or guarantee an OTG/oki in any mode. Difficult for some characters to punish on block if spaced and canceled into 236a/623a, however it can always be punished if what you do (or don't do) after the hit is read. | |description=A wallbounce with decent range. Can be canceled in power for super confirms, or guarantee an OTG/oki in any mode. Difficult for some characters to punish on block if spaced and canceled into 236a/623a, however it can always be punished if what you do (or don't do) after the hit is read. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_pBC. | |image=LB2_Kaede_pBC_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_pBC.png | ||
|caption="This player may be using wifi" | |||
|name=BC(Power) | |name=BC(Power) | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=61 | |damage=61 | ||
|startup= | |startup=46~86 | ||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=44 | |recovery=44 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD | |frame advantage=KD | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=UB | |guard=UB | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= None | ||
|description=An unblockable which can be held down to delay. Due to significant startup and being possible to deflect, it's typically rather useless. In theory you can bait deflects fairly easily with it, but 41236C is just generally better at doing that. | |description=An unblockable which can be held down to delay. Due to significant startup and being possible to deflect, it's typically rather useless. In theory you can bait deflects fairly easily with it, but 41236C is just generally better at doing that. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_sBC. | |image=LB2_Kaede_sBC_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_sBC.png | ||
|caption=Reset time | |||
|name=BC(Speed/EX) | |name=BC(Speed/EX) | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=16 | |damage=16 | ||
|startup= | |startup=23 | ||
|active=3 | |active=3 | ||
|recovery=23 | |recovery=23 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=-/-20 | |frame advantage=-/-20 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air/ground | ||
|description=An overhead which can lead to combo. Reactable, and Kaede's lows are already fairly underwhelming, so it's not often very useful during pressure situations. Also works as an anti-air. | |description=An overhead which can lead to combo. Staggers if the opponent was blocking low, otherwise causes a launch (soft knockdown against grounded opponents, air techable restand against airborne opponents). Reactable, and Kaede's lows are already fairly underwhelming, so it's not often very useful during pressure situations. Also works as an anti-air. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_df+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_df+B_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_df+B.png | ||
|caption=Stabby | |||
|name=3B | |name=3B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage=21 | |damage=21 | ||
|startup= | |startup=16 | ||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=27 | |recovery=27 | ||
|state= | |state= Ground | ||
|frame advantage=N/A | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=N/A | |guard=N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech=N/A | ||
|description=Hits OTG. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=21 | |||
|startup=16 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=27 | |||
|state=Ground | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=N/A | |||
|cancel=x/x | |||
|tech=N/A | |||
|description=Hits OTG. Like other OTG 3B's, this can be performed out of a microdash by inputting 3BCD instead. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
====Crouching==== | ====Crouching==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_d+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_d+A_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_d+A.png | ||
|caption=Objectively worse 4a | |||
|name=2A | |name=2A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=3 | |||
|recovery=16 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+4/-11 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=5 | |||
|active=3 | |active=3 | ||
|recovery=16 | |recovery=16 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+4/-11 | |frame advantage=+4/-11 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A normal which doesn't lead to anything, and despite the animation, doesn't require a low deflect. Inferior to standing 4A in almost every way. In speed or EX, you can continue chaining off of it if chained into from 5A, but it's still generally worse than just following up with the second hit of 5A unless you manage to get a punish at point blank, in which case it will do 1 more point of damage. | |description=A normal which doesn't lead to anything, and despite the animation, doesn't require a low deflect. Inferior to standing 4A in almost every way. In speed or EX, you can continue chaining off of it if chained into from 4A or 5A, but it's still generally worse than just following up with the second hit of 5A unless you manage to get a punish at point blank, in which case it will do 1 more point of damage. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_d+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_d+B_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_d+B.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_d+B2.png | |||
|caption=SNK hitboxes at their finest | |||
|name=2B | |name=2B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=28/3 | ||
|startup=14 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=26 | |recovery=26 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-1/-10 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |header=no | ||
|startup= | |version=Speed | ||
|damage=23/0 | |||
|startup=14 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=26 | |recovery=26 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-1/-21 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description= | |description=A slow poke which can serve as a low crush. Not very useful in neutral due to being less rewarding than other options and being incredibly committal. Can be useful for far reaching speed chains due to the move's range and high damage, but otherwise it's not advised. In speed/ex only the first hitbox will combo into his BC overhead. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_d+C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_d+C_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_d+C.png | ||
|caption=Your best low (sadly) | |||
|name=2C | |name=2C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=17 | |recovery=17 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+4/-11 | |frame advantage=+4/-11 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=L | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=A pretty standard low. Doesn't lead to anything, so the most you'll really get for landing it is a tic throw. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=17 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+4/-11 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel=o/o | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
|description=A pretty standard low. Doesn't lead to anything, so the most you'll really get for landing it is a tic throw. Special cancelable in speed/EX, however the damage increase is minimal despite all your specials being unsafe at this range. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_df+C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_df+C_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_df+C.png | ||
|caption=Your second and worst low | |||
|name=3C | |name=3C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=24/3 | ||
|startup=9 | |||
|active=3 | |||
|recovery=26 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=KD/-20 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=19/0 | |||
|startup=9 | |||
|active=3 | |active=3 | ||
|recovery=26 | |recovery=26 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-20 | |frame advantage=KD/-20 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=L | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=A low sweep with decent range, but still mediocre compared to the sweeps of other characters. Can be situationally useful for microspacing. Chains during a speed series, and as such can sometimes catch opponents trying to fuzzy guard sBC attempts. | |description=A low sweep with decent range, but still mediocre compared to the sweeps of other characters. Can be situationally useful for microspacing. Chains during a speed series, and as such can sometimes catch opponents trying to fuzzy guard sBC attempts. | ||
}} | }} | ||
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====Air==== | ====Air==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_jA. | |image=LB2_Kaede_jA_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_jA.png | ||
|caption=Air-to-air | |||
|name=j.A | |name=j.A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=N/A | |recovery=N/A | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A fast normal with long horizontal range and leaves Kaede in a favorable position on hit. Easily his best air-to-air. | |description=A fast normal with long horizontal range and leaves Kaede in a favorable position on hit. Easily his best air-to-air. Decent meaty from a fadeback hop. Can cross up | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_jB. | |image=LB2_Kaede_jB_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_jB.png | ||
|caption=Whiff punish but in the air | |||
|name=j.B | |name=j.B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=26/3 | ||
|startup=8 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=N/A | |recovery=N/A | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=8 | |||
|active=4 | |||
|recovery=N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A relatively slow jump in with a large hitbox and a fair number of active frames. Not as useful as it looks due to extending Kaede's hurtbox as far as the hitbox goes, but notably serves as his most damaging | |description=A relatively slow jump in with a large hitbox and a fair number of active frames. Not as useful as it looks due to extending Kaede's hurtbox as far as the hitbox goes, but notably serves as his most damaging jump in. Despite how it’s hitboxes look it can cross up | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_jC. | |image=LB2_Kaede_jC_image.png | ||
|hitbox=LB2_Kaede_jC.png | |||
|caption=You thought it was your turn, but it was me, Kaede! | |caption=You thought it was your turn, but it was me, Kaede! | ||
|name=j.C | |name=j.C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13/1 | ||
|startup=4 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery= N/A | |recovery= N/A | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=H | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=4 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=N/A | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=H | |guard=H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A fast jump in | |description=A fast jump in and best crossup option. A very useful air-to-ground after a hop or can be used as an instant overhead against big bodies by canceling into j.236 A. In any mode, you can use this move partway into a hop in order to leave yourself at advantage and extend pressure, making it a very valuable tool when attempting to go on the offensive. Due to the very few active frames, this move can be very convincingly whiffed against an opponent for an empty hop 41236C. Be warned that any use of this move which would be an air-tight blockstring leaves you unsafe (even on hit unless canceled into j.236A), so don't get caught relying on this move too heavily. If landed as an air-to-air, it can be canceled into j.236B in order to disengage from the opponent and reliably cover ground techs. This can be risky though. Depending on your opponent it’s possible for them to punish your landing recovery from the air fireball | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
====Dashing==== | ====Dashing==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_dashA. | |image=LB2_Kaede_dashA_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_dashA.png | ||
|caption=Command run character in spirit | |||
|name=Dashing High | |name=Dashing High | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=26/3 | ||
|startup=10 | |||
|active=4 | |active=4 | ||
|recovery=28 | |recovery=28 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=+3/-10 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A dashing normal with an incredibly large disjoint, and can combo into 214A or 236236B from the majority of its range. Safe on block if spaced correctly, and can be a massively useful tool to scare opponents out of throwing pokes out haphazardly thanks to its massive base damage. If the opponent begins respecting this move's priority too much, it's not difficult to run in grab or even 41236C. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11/0 | |||
|startup=10 | |||
|active=4 | |||
|recovery=28 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=+3/-23 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=A dashing normal with an incredibly large disjoint, and can combo into 214A or 236236B from the majority of its range. Safe on block if spaced correctly, and can be a massively useful tool to scare opponents out of throwing pokes out haphazardly thanks to its massive base damage. If the opponent begins respecting this move's priority too much, it's not difficult to run in grab or even 41236C. Against crouching opponents in a corner (and a standing Okina) this can combo to 214B if you hit it deep enough. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_dashB. | |image=LB2_Kaede_dashB_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_dashB.png | ||
|caption=Ignore this | |||
|name=Dashing Low | |name=Dashing Low | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=26/3 | ||
|startup=10 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=30 | |||
|state=Any | |||
|frame advantage=KD/-23 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=L | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= N/A | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=19/0 | |||
|startup=10 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=30 | |recovery=30 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-23 | |frame advantage=KD/-23 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=L | |guard=L | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=A dashing low. Not particularly useful due to the long effective startup and lackluster priority, but causes a hard knockdown from a pretty noticeable distance. | |description=A dashing low. Not particularly useful due to the long effective startup and lackluster priority, but causes a hard knockdown from a pretty noticeable distance. | ||
}} | }} | ||
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====Speed chain==== | ====Speed chain==== | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_5AA. | |image=LB2_Kaede_5AA_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_5AA.png | ||
|caption=Most of why you pick speed | |||
|name=5A>A | |name=5A>A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=8/0 | |damage=8/0 | ||
|startup= | |startup=8 | ||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=20 | |recovery=20 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+1/-14 | |frame advantage=+1/-14 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A chain that can only be obtained off 5A. Has a very strong disjoint, but the hitbox rarely comes into play since it can only be performed after a blocked/hit 5A. Very good for combo filler, especially given its long range and the fact that its only real competition is 2A. Doesn't link into anything, but can be canceled into more chains or specials. | |description=A chain that can only be obtained off 5A. Has a very strong disjoint, but the hitbox rarely comes into play since it can only be performed after a blocked/hit 5A. Very good for combo filler, especially given its long range and the fact that its only real competition is 2A. Doesn't link into anything, but can be canceled into more chains or specials. Makes for a good empty cancel off 5a thanks to its fast whiff animation, relative safety on block, and ability to be chained into 5b/6b on reaction to 5a landing. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_5AB. | |image=LB2_Kaede_5AB_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_5AB.png | ||
|name=5A>B | |hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_5AB2.png | ||
|caption=Most of why speed is cool | |||
|name=5A>B | |||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=16/0 | |damage=16/0 | ||
|startup= | |startup=10 | ||
|active=3 | |active=3 | ||
|recovery=17 | |recovery=17 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=+9/-11 | |frame advantage=+9/-11 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=Identical animation and hitbox to 5b, but has a few unique properties. Most notably it | |description=Identical animation and hitbox to 5b, but has a few unique properties. Most notably it can be linked off of from close range, and it can obviously be chained into 5A>B>C. Almost exclusively a combo tool. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_5ABC. | |image=LB2_Kaede_5ABC_image.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_5ABC.png | ||
|caption=Trade damage for a knowledge check | |||
|name=5A>B>C | |name=5A>B>C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=28/0 | |damage=28/0 | ||
|startup= | |startup=10 | ||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=36 | |recovery=36 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=Launch/-33 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description= | |description= Kaede's autocombo ender. Really solid effective range and sends the opponent at a decent angle for potential tech chases, however 623b does its job better in every possible way. Absolutely no reason to use this against a competent opponent. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
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'''Morning Star Squall''' - 236A/B | '''Morning Star Squall''' - 236A/B | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+A.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Solid fireball | ||
|name=236A | |name=236A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel=x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A single hit fireball which can be easily hopped over, and has fairly long recovery. Notably can be made safe at longer ranges, so it's potentially worthwhile to cancel off of standing A in power mode for frame traps. | |description=A single hit fireball which can be easily hopped over, and has fairly long recovery. Notably can be made safe at longer ranges, so it's potentially worthwhile to cancel off of standing A in power mode for frame traps. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+ | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+A.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Less solid fireball | ||
|name=236B | |name=236B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |header=no | ||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel=x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=Similar to qcf A, but the projectile travels faster and the animation for the move is generally slower. | |description=Similar to qcf A, but the projectile travels faster and the animation for the move is generally slower. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Morning Star Wind Fang''' - | '''Morning Star Wind Fang''' - 623A/B | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_dp+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_dp+A.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_dp+A.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_dp+A2.png | |||
|caption=DP | |||
|caption2=2nd hit | |||
|name=623A | |name=623A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=6+17/1+2 | ||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2-2 | |active=2-2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery=38 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=-33/-31 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A basic anti-air which causes an | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=4+16/1+2 | |||
|startup=6 | |||
|active=2-2 | |||
|recovery=35 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=-30/-28 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=A basic anti-air which causes an techable launch into a tech chase on hit. Relatively safe to whiff compared to the B version, but is less rewarding and notably has longer startup than the B version. If only the 2nd hit connects the opponent is put into a juggle state. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_dp+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_dp+B.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_dp+B.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_dp+B2.png | |||
|hitbox3=LB2_Kaede_dp+B3.png | |||
|hitbox4=LB2_Kaede_dp+B4.png | |||
|caption=The cooler DP | |||
|caption2=2nd hit | |||
|caption3=3rd hit | |||
|caption4=623B follow up | |||
|name=623B | |name=623B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=6+10+24(+15)/1+1+3 | ||
|active= | |startup=4(8) | ||
|recovery= | |active=2-2-2(-4) | ||
|state= | |recovery=67 | ||
|frame advantage= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=-60/-57 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=7+9+16(+9)/1+1+2 | |||
|startup=4(8) | |||
|active=2-4-[1]-2(-4) | |||
|recovery=54 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=-52/-47 | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A high-flying DP which can function as a committal anti-air. | |description=A high-flying DP which can function as a committal anti-air. Has a unique follow up on hit or block performed with 623B. Useful as a combo ender thanks to its high meterless damage, fast startup, and causing a soft knockdown afterwords. Notably, the first part of the move is a multihit, and if the second hit uncombos the opponent is able to ground tech and punish you on hit. Amusingly, this is Kaede's fastest strike from standing. There is a 1f gap between the second and third hits in speed/EX, but power is active for the full duration between both hits. The grounded initial hit (the elbow) is air unblockable. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Morning Star Fillet Flash''' = 214A/B | '''Morning Star Fillet Flash''' = 214A/B | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A2.png | |||
|hitbox3=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A3.png | |||
|hitbox4=LB2_Kaede_qcb+A4.png | |||
|caption=Super confirm | |||
|caption2=1st hit | |||
|caption3=2nd hit | |||
|caption4=3rd hit | |||
|name=214A | |name=214A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=13+13+32/1+1+4 | ||
|startup=19 | |||
|active=25-2-2-2 | |active=25-2-2-2 | ||
|recovery=41 | |recovery=41 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-34 | |frame advantage=KD/-34 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= o/o | ||
|tech= | |tech= None | ||
|description=A tatsu like function with long startup. The last hit will often crossup against a knocked down opponent in the corner. It's super cancelable in power mode, so using it as a combo ender while you're at close range can prove to be very punishing. In addition, this move can catch ground techs in the corner, making it a solid tech chasing tool in power mode. Incredibly unsafe on block and easy to stuff on reaction, so it's a terrible tool in neutral. Completely useless in speed/EX. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=9+9+13/1+1+2 | |||
|startup=19 | |||
|active=25-2-2-2 | |||
|recovery=41 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=KD/-34 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
|description=A tatsu like function with long startup. The last hit will often crossup against a knocked down opponent in the corner. It's super cancelable in power/EX mode (236236AB only combos in power however), so using it as a combo ender while you're at close range can prove to be very punishing. In addition, this move can catch ground techs in the corner, making it a solid tech chasing tool in power mode. Incredibly unsafe on block and easy to stuff on reaction, so it's a terrible tool in neutral. Completely useless in speed/EX. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B.png | ||
|caption= | |hitbox=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B.png | ||
|hitbox2=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B2.png | |||
|hitbox3=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B3.png | |||
|hitbox4=LB2_Kaede_qcb+B4.png | |||
|caption=The fabled mid/high mixup | |||
|caption2=1st hit | |||
|caption3=2nd hit | |||
|caption4=3rd hit (overhead) | |||
|name=214B | |name=214B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=15+19+35/1+2+4 | ||
|startup=25 | |||
|active=31-2-2-2 | |||
|recovery=38 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=KD/-31 | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M/H | |||
|cancel= o/o | |||
|tech= None | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=11+14+28/1+1+3 | |||
|startup=25 | |||
|active=31-2-2-2 | |active=31-2-2-2 | ||
|recovery=38 | |recovery=38 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-31 | |frame advantage=KD/-31 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M/H | |guard=M/H | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=A slower version of qcb A that ends in an overhead. Notably you gain enough hit advantage after the launch to OTG from midscreen. This is generally seen as the inferior version of Kaede's tatsu due to being unable to be combo'd into | |description=A slower version of qcb A that ends in an overhead, this is however irrelevant as the only option it's remotely ambiguous to hits mid. Notably you gain enough hit advantage after the launch to OTG from midscreen. This is generally seen as the inferior version of Kaede's tatsu due to being unable to be combo'd into normally and even worse in neutral due to the opponent gaining additional options for how they wish to punish you on block due to Kaede jumping at the end and there being a wider gap between the individual hits. | ||
*It can combo from a dashing B attack vs a crouching cornered opponent (and standing Okina) if the B hits as close as possible. Also possible to combo from 5B if 5B’s 2nd hitbox hits an opponent from behind. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Shinmei Oite''' - 236A/B (in air) | '''Shinmei Oite''' - 236A/B (in air) | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_jqcf+A. | |image=LB2_Kaede_jqcf+A.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Winning air trades since 1998 | ||
|name=j.236A | |name=j.236A | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=An air fireball which catches deflects and causes a soft knockdown. It's easy to force a trade due to the projectile not getting deleted after getting hit, and will trade with most moves favorably, making this a viable tool to escape tech chase situations. Be warned that upon landing you will recieve a sizeable amount of recovery, so Kaede will be left punishable if the opponent avoids the fireball, which most characters can do simply by jumping. Can be canceled off IOH j.C in order to make your instant overhead cause a soft knockdown against big bodies, but this is still punishable on block. | |description=An air fireball which catches deflects and causes a soft knockdown. It's easy to force a trade due to the projectile not getting deleted after getting hit, and will trade with most moves favorably, making this a viable tool to escape certain tech chase situations. Be warned that upon landing you will recieve a sizeable amount of recovery, so Kaede will be left punishable if the opponent avoids the fireball, which most characters can do simply by jumping. Can be canceled off IOH j.C in order to make your instant overhead cause a soft knockdown against big bodies, but this is still punishable on block. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_jqcf+ | |image=LB2_Kaede_jqcf+A.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=What's a tech chase? | ||
|name=j.236B | |name=j.236B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Air | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Air | ||
|description=The projectile fired from this version has identical properties to the A version, but this time Kaede will hop backwards slightly upon using the move instead of following his original jump arc. Thanks to the airstall this provides, it allows Kaede even more options during tech chase situations and improves his disadvantage state even further. Can also be used to beat out most anti-airs thanks to said airstall. Be warned that you will have the same landing recovery as before, only now | |description=The projectile fired from this version has identical properties to the A version, but this time Kaede will hop backwards slightly upon using the move instead of following his original jump arc. Thanks to the airstall this provides, it allows Kaede even more options during tech chase situations and improves his disadvantage state even further. Can also be used to beat out most anti-airs thanks to said airstall. Be warned that you will have the same landing recovery as before, only now Kaede has been in the air for longer before landing, allowing for very high damage punishes if you get caught overusing this move. Typically unsafe on block from close range. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''East Wind Wallop''' - 214C | '''East Wind Wallop''' - 214C | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+C.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=250 ping mixup | ||
|name=214C | |name=214C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage=N/A | |damage=N/A | ||
|startup=N/A | |startup=N/A | ||
|active=N/A | |active=N/A | ||
|recovery=36 | |recovery=36 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=N/A | |frame advantage=N/A | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=N/A | |guard=N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= N/A | ||
|tech= | |tech= N/A | ||
|description=A roll which can crossup the opponent, even in the corner. Notably doesn't provide any invincibility, rather shortening Kaede's hurtbox. Very reactable, and can often be punished with a full combo if the opponent is aware of it, as such it is not a very useful tool in either mode against players with matchup experience. Moves slightly farther ahead in speed/EX mode. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=N/A | |||
|startup=N/A | |||
|active=N/A | |||
|recovery=36 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=N/A | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=N/A | |||
|cancel=N/A | |||
|tech=N/A | |||
|description=A roll which can crossup the opponent, even in the corner. Notably doesn't provide any invincibility, rather shortening Kaede's hurtbox. Very reactable, and can often be punished with a full combo if the opponent is aware of it, as such it is not a very useful pressure tool in either mode against players with matchup experience. However, due to the fast travel speed during the move's duration it can have use to side switch while your back is near the corner if you know the opponent will hop/jump, or counter-intuitively get you close enough to an opponent that you will be able to punish select moves on hit. Moves slightly farther ahead in speed/EX mode. | |||
Note that no move in Kaede's kit can be canceled safely into this move on block, and as such it is ill-advised to use as a pressure tool. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Ittou Raitei''' - 7/8/9CD (in air) | '''Ittou Raitei''' - 7/8/9CD (in air) | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_ju+CD. | |image=LB2_Kaede_ju+CD.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Chad OTG | ||
|name=j.CD | |name=j.CD | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup=1 | ||
|active=N/A | |active=N/A | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Air | ||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= -6 | ||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=N/A | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= None | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup=1 | |||
|active=N/A | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Air | |||
|frame advantage= -6 | |||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard=N/A | |guard=N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= None | ||
|description=A simple air-throw. | |description=A simple air-throw. Fairly poor anti-air priority. Its primary use is as a combo tool, due to being possible to "rejump" into from certain setups or even use as an OTG due to a bug. Is part of Kaede's optimal meterless command grab confirms in all three modes. You are actually -6 when this connects, and in some matchups you can be punished for using it. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Morning Star Storm Blast''' - 41236C (in close) | '''Morning Star Storm Blast''' - 41236C (in close) | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_hcf+C. | |image=LB2_Kaede_hcf+C.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Yay, functional mixups! | ||
|name=41236C | |name=41236C | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=14 | ||
|startup=1 | |||
|active=N/A | |active=N/A | ||
|recovery=34 | |recovery=34 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=Launch | |frame advantage=Launch | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= | ||
|guard= N/A | |guard= N/A | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A very fast and rewarding command grab. Relatively fast animation on whiff, but still punishable on reaction and has the same range as a regular throw. A cornerstone of Kaede's mixup game in all modes, due to his lackluster high/low opportunities. Learning to cancel into this move off a dash is invaluable, as it's a very fast but rewarding whiff punish for many long range pokes and supers. Note that although the launch is untechable, it will only cause a soft knockdown if you don't follow up. | }} | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=13 | |||
|startup=1 | |||
|active=N/A | |||
|recovery=34 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=Launch | |||
|meter gain= | |||
|guard=N/A | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
|description=A very fast and rewarding command grab that leads to juggles. Relatively fast animation on whiff, but still punishable on reaction and has the same range as a regular throw. A cornerstone of Kaede's mixup game in all modes, due to his lackluster high/low opportunities. Learning to cancel into this move off a dash is invaluable, as it's a very fast but rewarding whiff punish for many long range pokes and supers. Note that although the launch is untechable, it will only cause a soft knockdown if you don't follow up. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
==Desperation Moves== | ==Desperation Moves== | ||
'''Morning Star Pounce - | '''Morning Star Pounce - 2146AB | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+df+f+AB. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+df+f+AB.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Hit me, I dare you! | ||
|name= | |name=2146AB | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|version=Power | |||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage= | |||
|meter gain= 0 | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage= | |||
|startup= | |||
|active= | |||
|recovery= | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage= | |frame advantage= | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain=0 | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A very high priority projectile which leads to very high damage. This super does about what you'd expect, with the most noteworthy thing being that it's air blockable (however, it's still very advantageous upon the opponent doing so). Punishable on block, but usually not with a full combo unless the opponent did so at close range, as such it becomes a very useful neutral tool to check the opponent with while in desperation. If the opponent trades with this move, the projectile will still play through the entire animation, allowing for some very flashy juggles off of it. Notably does more damage than 236236AB if all hits land, so midscreen it's ideal for command grab conversions. | |description=A very high priority projectile which leads to very high damage. This super does about what you'd expect, with the most noteworthy thing being that it's air blockable (however, it's still very advantageous upon the opponent doing so). Punishable on block, but usually not with a full combo unless the opponent did so at close range, as such it becomes a very useful neutral tool to check the opponent with while in desperation. If the opponent trades with this move, the projectile will still play through the entire animation, allowing for some very flashy juggles off of it. Notably does more damage than 236236AB if all hits land, so midscreen it's ideal for command grab conversions. You can delay the dm by holding A+B | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Morning Star Revival - 236236AB | '''Morning Star Revival - 236236AB | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+qcf+AB. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+qcf+AB.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Someone is probably dead now | ||
|name=236236AB | |name=236236AB | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage= | |version=Power | ||
|startup= | |damage=90/11 | ||
|startup=23-63 | |||
|active=2 | |||
|recovery=50 | |||
|state= Any | |||
|frame advantage=KD/-42 | |||
|meter gain= 0 | |||
|guard=M | |||
|cancel= x/x | |||
|tech= Ground | |||
}} | |||
{{AttackData-LB2 | |||
|header=no | |||
|version=Speed | |||
|damage=75/9 | |||
|startup=31-71 | |||
|active=2 | |active=2 | ||
|recovery=50 | |recovery=50 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-42 | |frame advantage=KD/-42 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A massive slash forward with a deceptively short hitbox (virtually no anti-air presence, this ain't captain sword), and a noticeable amount of hurtbox extension. In power mode it's a great confirm off of 214A or 6C, and can also be used as a committal read against fireballs. Due to being a single hit, you can also use this move to deal a massive burst of damage to armored opponents without fear of counter-attack if it will kill (which is particularly useful in the Juzoh matchup, where he would normally run through your projectile super). In speed/EX this move becomes significantly slower, and as such is only really used to combo off a fandango in the corner when in desperation. | |description=A massive slash forward with a deceptively short hitbox (virtually no anti-air presence, this ain't captain sword), and a noticeable amount of hurtbox extension. In power mode it's a great confirm off of 214A or 6C, and can also be used as a committal read against fireballs. Due to being a single hit, you can also use this move to deal a massive burst of damage to armored opponents without fear of counter-attack if it will kill (which is particularly useful in the Juzoh matchup, where he would normally run through your projectile super). In speed/EX this move becomes significantly slower, and as such is only really used to combo off a fandango in the corner when in desperation. Can be delayed by holding A+B, and doing so is needed for some combos. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
==Super Desperation Moves== | ==Super Desperation Moves== | ||
'''Lively "Bad Dragon Rising"''' - 21416B | '''Lively "Bad Dragon Rising"''' - 21416B | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+df+f+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcb+df+f+B.png | ||
|caption= | |caption=Timerscam activated | ||
|name=21416B | |name=21416B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
Line 797: | Line 1,223: | ||
|active= | |active= | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD | |frame advantage=KD | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A more damaging, fullscreen version of 21416AB. Notably, each individual bolt of lightning is considered its own projectile, so trading with or reflecting this super will prevent any more bolts from striking. | |description=A more damaging, fullscreen version of 21416AB. Notably, each individual bolt of lightning is considered its own projectile, so trading with or reflecting this super will prevent any more bolts from striking. Does less damage than 236236AB if any hits uncombo, making it pointless near the corner. | ||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Morning Star Lance''' - 236236B | '''Morning Star Lance''' - 236236B | ||
{{MoveData | {{MoveData | ||
|image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+qcf+B. | |image=LB2_Kaede_qcf+qcf+B.png | ||
|caption= | |caption= Comeback time | ||
|name=236236B | |name=236236B | ||
|data= | |data= | ||
{{AttackData-LB2 | {{AttackData-LB2 | ||
|damage=141 | |damage=141/1 | ||
|startup= | |startup=16-56 | ||
|active=10 | |active=10 | ||
|recovery=16 | |recovery=16 | ||
|state= | |state= Any | ||
|frame advantage=KD/-16 | |frame advantage=KD/-16 | ||
|meter gain= | |meter gain= 0 | ||
|guard=M | |guard=M | ||
|cancel= | |cancel= x/x | ||
|tech= | |tech= Ground | ||
|description=A short range, cinematic super. Unsafe on block and difficult to confirm due to pushback, as well as having relatively average base damage compared to other SDMs. But this super scales incredibly well, and can often end up being the optimal conversion | |description=A short range, cinematic super. Unsafe on block and difficult to confirm due to pushback, as well as having relatively average base damage compared to other SDMs. But this super scales incredibly well, and can often end up being the optimal conversion of most starters regardless. Combos from anything cancelable in range, notably 5A at almost its max range. | ||
*To combo this from 5A input it as 236AB/236AC ~236B. Using 236AB or AC prevents a special from coming out so it gives you 5A 236236B smoothly. It’s not impossible to connect from 5A without buffering but it is very difficult. | |||
* Your opponent can ground tech after this connects, making it -47. If your opponent is in speed/ex and has full meter they can ground tech and fandango, forcing you to chose between high and low block. Deflecting the fandango is not possible here. Kaede is technically invincible during this time, but when his hurtboxes reappear he can only block or start a jump. Every character can guarantee a throw here at the very least. Juzoh, Mukuro, Kaede (with meter or desperation), Hibiki and Zantetsu (with sdm on deck) can kill you outright as there is no way for Kaede to escape. Due to this it may be best to only use this when you are certain it will take the round, or if your opponent doesn’t know this. | |||
*2323B is also accepted by the game as an input for this sdm. | |||
}} | }} | ||
}} | }} | ||
==Combos== | ==Combos== | ||
Line 835: | Line 1,261: | ||
* 4A(x3), 5A, 623B(x2) | * 4A(x3), 5A, 623B(x2) | ||
* 41236C, j.CD | * 41236C, j.CD | ||
* 41236C, j.B, j.CD | * 41236C, j.B, j.CD in or near a corner | ||
: Optimized version of the combo above. Land after j.B and then jump into the opponent quickly to throw | : Optimized version of the combo above. Land after j.B and then jump into the opponent quickly to throw | ||
* Dash A/B, | * Dash A/B, 236x/214A/623Bx2 | ||
* j.B, 5B, 623B(x2) | * j.B, 5B, 623B(x2) | ||
* 41236C, 623B(x2) | * 41236C, 623B(x2) | ||
Line 845: | Line 1,271: | ||
===Power Mode Only=== | ===Power Mode Only=== | ||
* | * 41236C, 236236AB | ||
: Optimal in corner compared to 21416AB. Hold the super slightly. | : Optimal in corner compared to 21416AB. Hold the super slightly. | ||
* j.B, 5B, 236236AB | * j.B, 5B, 236236AB | ||
Line 851: | Line 1,277: | ||
: More damage than previous combo, but requires you to be closer. | : More damage than previous combo, but requires you to be closer. | ||
* Dash A/B, 214A (2 hits), 236236AB | * Dash A/B, 214A (2 hits), 236236AB | ||
* 4A 5A 214A 236236AB works from point blank | |||
* j.B, 6C, 21416B | * j.B, 6C, 21416B | ||
* 4A(x3), 6C, | * 4A(x3) 6C, 236236AB | ||
* 4A(x3) 6C 214C 623Bx2. Works from more than half screen. | |||
* 6C 214C 5A jCD. For style | |||
* 4A(x2/3) 5A 236236B. Input this as 4Ax2/3 236A+B (or 236A+C) ~236B. This makes comboing the sdm much easier. It’s not impossible to connect without buffering, but it’s very difficult. | |||
===EX Mode Only=== | ===EX Mode Only=== | ||
* | * 5A 5B 5A 5B 236236B | ||
* 2C 236236B | |||
* 4A (link)5A 5B 2C 236236B | |||
===Power and EX Mode=== | ===Power and EX Mode=== | ||
Line 863: | Line 1,295: | ||
* Dash A/B, 236236B | * Dash A/B, 236236B | ||
* j.B, 5B, 236236B | * j.B, 5B, 236236B | ||
* 5B 214B (2 hits) 236236AB or 2146AB. This works if you hit with 5B’s 2nd hitbox from behind a grounded opponent, do 214B in the direction kaede is facing. You can aim for this after an anti air deflect and guard cancel by running under the opponent and hitting B, or on an opponents wake up. It’s not very practical but it is possible. You need desperation status to connect a dm here after a guard cancel | |||
*Dashing B 214B (2 hits) 236236AB. Only works on crouching opponents in a corner and the dashing attack must hit as close as possible. Works on standing Okina in a corner as well. | |||
===Speed and EX Mode=== | ===Speed and EX Mode=== | ||
* j.B, 5A 5B 5C | * j.B, 5A 5B 5C | ||
* j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B 6C, 3B | * j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B 6C, 3B | ||
* Dash A/B | * j.B, 5A 5B, 5A 5A 2B 6B | ||
* 5A 2A 5B 214A | |||
* Dash A/B 2B 236B | |||
* Dash A/B 5B, 214A | * Dash A/B 5B, 214A | ||
* Dash A/B 5B BC, 623B(x2) | * Dash A/B 5B BC, 623B(x2) corner | ||
* j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B, 236B | * j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B, 236B | ||
* 41236C, 22A/B, A + B + C + A + B + C + A + B + | * 5A 5B 2C 623Bx2 | ||
* 5A 5B 5A 5B 6B/236B bnb | |||
* 5A 5B 5A 5B 5A 6B | |||
* 5A 5B 5A 5B 5A 6C dash otg 3B/5C | |||
* 4A 5A 5B 5A 5A 2B 6B. The first 5A is a link from 4A. Ending with 2B 236B gives the same damage as 6B. Optimized speed/ex bnb for damage | |||
* 5A 5B 5A 5B BC 623Bx2 corner | |||
* jB micro-dash 4A 5A 5A 2B BC 623A 623B 3B/5C otg. Corner. If only the 2nd hit of 623A connects you can juggle after with 623B. Against big bodies you can connect 623Bx2. Other routes work for this, but this is a stable one. Vs. non big bodies 623Ax2 is more consistent. | |||
* 41236C 623Bx2, 623Bx2 9CD or otg 3B/5C. Mid screen. first 623B needs to hit the opponent as high as possible. | |||
* 41236C, 22A/B, A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + 236A Kaede's best route both in and out of desperation. | |||
* 41236C, 22A/B, A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC, 2146AB (Delay 2146AB ever so slightly so all the hits connect. Swap 2146AB for 236236AB in the corner. 130 and 119 respectively.) | |||
* 22A/B, A + B + C + 2C + 2A + 2C + 6BC, 214C, 5A, jCD. Midscreen For style | |||
===Super Speed Combos=== | ===Super Speed Combos=== | ||
Line 878: | Line 1,324: | ||
* A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC | * A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC | ||
* A + B + C + 2C + A + BC + A + 236B | * A + B + C + 2C + A + BC + A + 236B | ||
==Videos== | |||
{{#ev:youtube|gsWOYNDR7rs|||'''Kaede (Combo primer).''' by [https://twitter.com/FinalLemon TheFinalLemon]|frame}} | |||
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Latest revision as of 04:17, 17 April 2024
Overview
Serving as the "shoto" of the roster, Kaede is a fairly well-rounded character with minimal execution barriers. Primarily aiming to fight at mid to close range and built to bait deflects. He's easily the best in Power mode. However, his Speed mode does have some unique advantages.
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Strategy
For the majority of matchups, you'll be attempting to poke out the opponent at mid range until you find a chance to get a hop, at which point you can begin baiting deflects and fishing for his incredibly rewarding command grab. Although his mixups are fairly linear and often reactable, Kaede can steal the opponent's turn surprisingly easily even in power mode. This allows him to go on the offensive while still maintaining access to high damage pokes and whiff punishes. Although his long range presence is not particularly strong, he has access to both a fireball and some strong (and frankly underrated) options from dashing in. Put this in tandem with the unique properties of his air-fireball, and Kaede can effectively threaten the opponent from any range. In speed mode, Kaede can bank a lot harder on his pressure, gaining access to a pair of fast overheads and becoming even better at baiting deflects. This makes his command grab all the more threatening, especially when you consider that in speed he can confirm fandangos off of it. However, the majority of Kaede's confirms become weaker in speed, and he generally trades less favorably with most normals (a huge weakness given that Kaede has significant hurtbox extension on his more commital pokes). In either mode, Kaede's disadvantage state is disproportionately strong. This is because he has access to a high-priority jab, standing A reaches relatively far compared to most 4f jabs, and during tech chase situations he has access to two different air fireballs as well as a fast high priority jumping normal. This allows him to viably air tech against the majority of the roster, as he will often force a favorable trade and get the opponent off of him.
Normals
Standing
5A
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4A
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5B
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6B
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5C
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6C
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3B
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Crouching
2A
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2B
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2C
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3C
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Air
j.A
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j.B
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j.C
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Dashing
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Dashing Low
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Speed chain
5A>A
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5A>B
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5A>B>C
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- All moves in this section are exclusive to speed/EX mode
Special Moves
Morning Star Squall - 236A/B
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Morning Star Wind Fang - 623A/B
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623B
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Morning Star Fillet Flash = 214A/B
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214B
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Shinmei Oite - 236A/B (in air)
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East Wind Wallop - 214C
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Ittou Raitei - 7/8/9CD (in air)
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Morning Star Storm Blast - 41236C (in close)
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Desperation Moves
Morning Star Pounce - 2146AB
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Morning Star Revival - 236236AB
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Super Desperation Moves
Lively "Bad Dragon Rising" - 21416B
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Morning Star Lance - 236236B
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Combos
Any Mode
- 4A(x3), 5A, 623B(x2)
- 41236C, j.CD
- 41236C, j.B, j.CD in or near a corner
- Optimized version of the combo above. Land after j.B and then jump into the opponent quickly to throw
- Dash A/B, 236x/214A/623Bx2
- j.B, 5B, 623B(x2)
- 41236C, 623B(x2)
- 41236C, 21416AB (midscreen)
- j.C, j.236A
- Big bodies and standing opponents only
Power Mode Only
- 41236C, 236236AB
- Optimal in corner compared to 21416AB. Hold the super slightly.
- j.B, 5B, 236236AB
- j.B, 5B, 214A (2 hits), 236236AB
- More damage than previous combo, but requires you to be closer.
- Dash A/B, 214A (2 hits), 236236AB
- 4A 5A 214A 236236AB works from point blank
- j.B, 6C, 21416B
- 4A(x3) 6C, 236236AB
- 4A(x3) 6C 214C 623Bx2. Works from more than half screen.
- 6C 214C 5A jCD. For style
- 4A(x2/3) 5A 236236B. Input this as 4Ax2/3 236A+B (or 236A+C) ~236B. This makes comboing the sdm much easier. It’s not impossible to connect without buffering, but it’s very difficult.
EX Mode Only
- 5A 5B 5A 5B 236236B
- 2C 236236B
- 4A (link)5A 5B 2C 236236B
Power and EX Mode
- 41236C, 21416B
- Does less damage than meterless confirms in the corner
- 5A, 236236B
- Dash A/B, 236236B
- j.B, 5B, 236236B
- 5B 214B (2 hits) 236236AB or 2146AB. This works if you hit with 5B’s 2nd hitbox from behind a grounded opponent, do 214B in the direction kaede is facing. You can aim for this after an anti air deflect and guard cancel by running under the opponent and hitting B, or on an opponents wake up. It’s not very practical but it is possible. You need desperation status to connect a dm here after a guard cancel
- Dashing B 214B (2 hits) 236236AB. Only works on crouching opponents in a corner and the dashing attack must hit as close as possible. Works on standing Okina in a corner as well.
Speed and EX Mode
- j.B, 5A 5B 5C
- j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B 6C, 3B
- j.B, 5A 5B, 5A 5A 2B 6B
- 5A 2A 5B 214A
- Dash A/B 2B 236B
- Dash A/B 5B, 214A
- Dash A/B 5B BC, 623B(x2) corner
- j.B, 4A 5A 5A 5B, 236B
- 5A 5B 2C 623Bx2
- 5A 5B 5A 5B 6B/236B bnb
- 5A 5B 5A 5B 5A 6B
- 5A 5B 5A 5B 5A 6C dash otg 3B/5C
- 4A 5A 5B 5A 5A 2B 6B. The first 5A is a link from 4A. Ending with 2B 236B gives the same damage as 6B. Optimized speed/ex bnb for damage
- 5A 5B 5A 5B BC 623Bx2 corner
- jB micro-dash 4A 5A 5A 2B BC 623A 623B 3B/5C otg. Corner. If only the 2nd hit of 623A connects you can juggle after with 623B. Against big bodies you can connect 623Bx2. Other routes work for this, but this is a stable one. Vs. non big bodies 623Ax2 is more consistent.
- 41236C 623Bx2, 623Bx2 9CD or otg 3B/5C. Mid screen. first 623B needs to hit the opponent as high as possible.
- 41236C, 22A/B, A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + 236A Kaede's best route both in and out of desperation.
- 41236C, 22A/B, A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC, 2146AB (Delay 2146AB ever so slightly so all the hits connect. Swap 2146AB for 236236AB in the corner. 130 and 119 respectively.)
- 22A/B, A + B + C + 2C + 2A + 2C + 6BC, 214C, 5A, jCD. Midscreen For style
Super Speed Combos
- A + B + C + A + B + C + A + B + 236C
- A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + 236A
- A + B + C + 2C + A + 2C + 6BC
- A + B + C + 2C + A + BC + A + 236B