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|description=3 hitboxes but hits twice. Both hits are cancelable, depending on distance you may need to cancel out of the first hit for some combos to work. Rebounds on block as a single hit in power. 10F gap between 1st and 2nd hit boxes, in speed/ex this is enough to get deflected in between if the opponent switch guards so be careful. Frame data listed is for the 2nd hit connecting or being blocked. | |description=3 hitboxes but hits twice. Both hits are cancelable, depending on distance you may need to cancel out of the first hit for some combos to work. Rebounds on block as a single hit in power. 10F gap between 1st and 2nd hit boxes, in speed/ex this is enough to get deflected in between if the opponent switch guards so be careful. Frame data listed for speed/ex is for the 2nd hit connecting or being blocked. | ||
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|description= | |description= Use for a safe OTG unless 3B will kill. Can combo into 236A, 623A/B, and 214B if you wanted. | ||
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|description=Wall bounces on hit allowing for followups in power mode, and safe armor activation from a distance in any mode. Lots of active frames. | |description=Wall bounces on hit allowing for followups in power mode, and safe armor activation from a distance in any mode. Lots of active frames. | ||
*Horribly unsafe on block, opponents can punish this cleanly with a fandango if close. You can try to cancel it on block to make yourself safer, but there will still be a 17f gap (counting hitstop) using his fastest special. | *Horribly unsafe on block, opponents can punish this cleanly with a fandango if close. You can try to cancel it on block to make yourself safer, but there will still be a 17f gap (counting hitstop) using his fastest special in power mode. | ||
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|description= | |description= cancellable in either mode if you get the opportunity. In speed/ex you can chain B attacks etc. after it connects | ||
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|description= | |description= doesn’t see a lot of use but it’s there. | ||
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|name= | |name=2A | ||
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|name= | |name=2C | ||
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|name= | |name=3C | ||
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|description= Sees more use in speed than power thanks to chain combos. Very quick for a sweep in this game and has good range. | |description= Sees more use in speed than power thanks to chain combos. Very quick for a sweep in this game and has good range. You can use a gimmick of 3C 214B for a relatively quick low/high. This is a knowledge check though as 214B is punishable on hit if the opponent is aware of it. | ||
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|active= 2,(10) 2 | |active= 2,(10) 2 | ||
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|description= Don’t let the startup fool you, this is Setsuna’s best jump in. Huge range with a huge hitbox, can cross up (though not reliably) combos into the rest of his normals. Learning how to short hop with this is invaluable, although avoid overusing it as Set has a large hurtbox extension while using this move. It’s possible for an opponent to deflect the 2nd hit with good timing even if they block initially, however it’s not the easiest thing to pull off. Be wary of opponents with full meter as it’s one of the easiest normals to guard cancel against. Air to air use is decent if the opponent is a bit below you. | |description= Don’t let the startup fool you, this is Setsuna’s best jump in. Huge range with a huge hitbox, can cross up (though not reliably), and combos into the rest of his normals. Learning how to short hop with this is invaluable, although avoid overusing it as Set has a large hurtbox extension while using this move. It’s possible for an opponent to deflect the 2nd hit with good timing even if they block initially, however it’s not the easiest thing to pull off. Be wary of opponents with full meter as it’s one of the easiest normals in game to guard cancel against. Air to air use is decent if the opponent is a bit below you. | ||
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|description= Decent air to air, with a large enough hitbox to cross up more reliably than jB, so it can see use as that in certain scenarios | |description= Decent air to air, with a large enough hitbox to cross up far more reliably than jB, so it can see use as that in certain scenarios | ||
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|version=Power | |version=Power | ||
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|startup= | |startup= 53~73 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
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|version=Speed/EX | |version=Speed/EX | ||
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|startup= | |startup= 25 | ||
|active= 2,1 | |active= 2,1 | ||
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|version=A | |version=A | ||
|damage= P 10/1 S 9/1 | |damage= P 10/1 S 9/1 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 18 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
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|version=A | |version=A | ||
|damage= P 19/2 S 14/1 | |damage= P 19/2 S 14/1 | ||
|startup= - ( | |startup= - (20 in total) | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
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|cancel= P ○ | |cancel= P ○ | ||
|tech= Air | |tech= Air | ||
|description=* Setsuna raises his sword and makes a forward strike down. Both versions can negate non dm projectiles. Quick enough to combo from anything cancelable. Super cancel. | |description=* Setsuna raises his sword and makes a forward strike down. Both versions can negate non dm projectiles. Quick enough to combo from anything cancelable, 5A 236A being the most useful in power mode. Super cancel. | ||
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|version=B | |version=B | ||
|damage= P 17/2 S 14/1 | |damage= P 17/2 S 14/1 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 41 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
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|damage= P 30/3 S 23/2 | |damage= P 30/3 S 23/2 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 43 in total | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= 19 | |recovery= 19 | ||
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|version=A | |version=A | ||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= 13 | ||
|active= 2,3 | |active= 2,3 | ||
|recovery= 28 | |recovery= 28 | ||
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|description=* Setsuna's uppercut. Decent for an anti air, hits behind him at its apex. | |description=* Setsuna's uppercut. Decent for an anti air, hits behind him at its apex. | ||
*Behaves differently depending on mode. In power mode this is air unblockable, but opponents can air tech after it hits. In speed/ex opponents can block this in the air, but on hit it’s a soft knockdown (opponent can tech | *Behaves differently depending on mode. In power mode this is air unblockable, but opponents can air tech after it hits. In speed/ex opponents can block this in the air, but on hit it’s a soft knockdown (opponent can tech on the ground). If you hit high enough and are close you can follow up with another 623A or a 2A etc in speed/ex | ||
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|version=B | |version=B | ||
|damage= | |damage= | ||
|startup= | |startup= 19 | ||
|active= 2,(3)1,1,1,1,1,1 | |active= 2,(3)1,1,1,1,1,1 | ||
|recovery= 38 | |recovery= 38 | ||
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|damage= P 13/1 S 9/1 | |damage= P 13/1 S 9/1 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 16 | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= | |recovery= | ||
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|header=no | |header=no | ||
|damage= P 15/1 S 9/1 | |damage= P 15/1 S 9/1 | ||
|startup= - ( | |startup= - (20 in total) | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
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|damage= P 24/3 S 16/2 | |damage= P 24/3 S 16/2 | ||
|startup= - ( | |startup= - (22 in total) | ||
|active= 2 | |active= 2 | ||
|recovery= 31 | |recovery= 31 | ||
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|cancel= P × | |cancel= P × | ||
|tech= Air | |tech= Air | ||
|description=* Setsuna lauches himself forward to deliver a swipe attack. 1st hit is over head. Unfortunately opponents can air tech making it -22 on hit, and you can essentially | |description=* Setsuna lauches himself forward to deliver a swipe attack. 1st hit is over head. Unfortunately opponents can air tech making it -22 on hit if air teched immediately, and you can essentially be punished with a full jump in combo for using it if they do, especially if your opponent is in or near a corner. Only safe to use if it will kill. | ||
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LB2_Setsuna_qcb+B2.png|2nd hit | LB2_Setsuna_qcb+B2.png|2nd hit | ||
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|startup= Power | |startup= Power 17 Speed 15 | ||
|active= 4 | |active= 4 | ||
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* unblockable and cannot be deflected. | * unblockable and cannot be deflected. | ||
* starts up faster in speed/ex than power | * starts up faster in speed/ex than power | ||
* the opponent cannot tech roll from this guaranteeing an otg attack or safe armor activation. | |||
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|active= - | |active= - | ||
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|description=* Setsuna charges himself with electricity, giving him a temporary armor. Armor is active 58F after input. Setsuna is actionable 72F after input. | |description=* Setsuna charges himself with electricity, giving him a temporary armor. Armor is active 58F after input. Setsuna is actionable 72F after input. | ||
* Follow up with '''Anonymity - Five Continuation''' (41236C) to perform a stun attack | * Follow up with '''Anonymity - Five Continuation''' (41236C) to perform a stun attack | ||
* Super armor will | * Super armor will nullify hitstun (hitstop still happens but it’s just a visual thing) and allow Setsuna to continue his action. It does not work on anything that has a locked animation or transitions to one (I.e Kojiroh’s dm). This includes all throws (command and normal), fandangos, DM’s (I.e. Washizuka, Hibiki, Akari), guard cancel D attacks, and most SDM’s. Being hit by any of these will cancel the armor instantly. There are safe ways to set up armor, after a dm combo or 623C for example. | ||
*while armor is active you can block and deflect normally. Blocking a weapon attack from a power mode character with armor active does not trigger the rebound animation, allowing you to guard cancel those attacks. This is normally not possible. | *while armor is active you can block and deflect normally. Blocking a weapon attack from a power mode character with armor active does not trigger the rebound animation, allowing you to guard cancel those attacks. This is normally not possible. | ||
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|active= 2,2,2,2,2 | |active= 2,2,2,2,2 | ||
|recovery= 38 | |recovery= 38 | ||
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|damage= P 21/2, 21/2, 21/2, 21/2, 32/4 S 14/1, 14/1, 14/1, 14/1, 38/4 | |damage= P 21/2, 21/2, 21/2, 21/2, 32/4 S 14/1, 14/1, 14/1, 14/1, 38/4 | ||
|startup= | |startup= 25~75 | ||
|active= 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 | |active= 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 | ||
|recovery= 52 | |recovery= 52 | ||
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* Chargeable | * Chargeable | ||
* can negate non dm projectiles | * can negate non dm projectiles | ||
* first hitbox will miss | * first hitbox will miss all crouching opponents except Shigen, Juzoh, and Washizuka. | ||
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|description=* Setsuna call lighting to empower him with a '''Anonymity - Five''' that lasts 10 seconds | |description=* Setsuna call lighting to empower him with a '''Anonymity - Five''' that lasts 10 seconds | ||
Setsuna upgrade body armor effect which grants armor that | Setsuna upgrade body armor effect which grants armor that absorbs 3 hits or lasts 10 seconds; whichever happens first. The main weaknesses is a throw or command grab can instantly taking away its effect. From this state, you have access to 3 (and sometimes 4 if you’re fast enough)'''Anonymity- Five Continuation'''(41236C) or a Super Desperation Move followup. The initial lighting animation can hit opponents in the air or otg. | ||
*anything that beats normal super armor (63214C) will also remove SDM armor instantly. | *anything that beats normal super armor (63214C) will also remove SDM armor instantly. | ||
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|active= 5 | |active= 5 | ||
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|description= *Follow up from '''Anonymity - Ultimate''' for a dramatic animation of Setsuna symbolically shattering your opponents soul . Requires all hits of armor to be able to activate. | |description= *Follow up from '''Anonymity - Ultimate''' for a dramatic animation of Setsuna symbolically shattering your opponents soul. Requires all hits of armor to be able to activate. Armor is maintained from input until its first active frame, meaning you can absorb some hits during its startup without the move being stopped. Only combos normally from 6C in power mode. It can connect from one 41336C as a juggle if the sdm activates at the same time 41236C hits, tricking the game into thinking you still have all hits of armor active. | ||
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==Combos== | ==Combos== | ||
===Any Mode=== | ===Any Mode=== | ||
Dash A/B, | Dash A/B, 236A or 623/A/B | ||
j.B 2B 623B | |||
j B | j.B 2B/5B 236236AB | ||
j B | |||
Armor active 41236C 236236AB | Armor active 41236C 236236AB | ||
Note: any combo involving his 236236AB Dm will not work on a crouching opponent except for Washizuka, Shigen, and Juzoh. | |||
===Power Mode=== | ===Power Mode=== | ||
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J.B 6C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Does not work in a corner | J.B 6C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Does not work in a corner | ||
jB, 5A/5B/2B 623B | jB, 5A/5B/2B 623B | ||
j.B 6C | j.B 6C 41236C 236B 623A/C or 236236AB with armor active. Corner. To cancel 6C into 41236C hold 4 for a short time immediately after pressing 6C to clear the input buffer. | ||
236B 623C | 236B 623C | ||
J.B 6C 41236C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Corner. Input the sdm follow up immediately after inputting 41236C. If done correctly it will activate at the same time 41236C connects. | J.B 6C 41236C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Corner. Input the sdm follow up immediately after inputting 41236C. If done correctly it will activate at the same time 41236C connects. |
Latest revision as of 08:11, 20 September 2024
Normals
Standing
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4A |
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5B |
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6B |
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5C |
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6C |
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3B |
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- A, B, and C can cancel in both Power Mode and Speed Mode
- back + A is not cancellable
- forward + B (Power and Speed) is not cancellable
- forward + C in Speed Mode is not cancellable
Dashing normals
Check System if you can't get this to come out
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Dashing Low |
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Speed Chain
A>A |
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C of A>B>C |
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Crouching
2A |
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2B |
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2C |
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3C |
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Air
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jB |
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jC |
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Universal Mechanics
Throw C+D |
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5B+C |
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Special Moves
Anonymity - One 236A/B |
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Anonymity - Two 623A/B |
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Anonymity - Three 214B |
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Anonymity - Four 623C |
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Anonymity - Five 63214C |
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Anonymity - Five Continuation 41236C |
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Desperation Moves
Anonymity - Severance 236236AB |
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Super Desperation Moves
Anonymity - Ultimate 6321463214B |
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Anonymity - Ultimate Continuation 41236AB |
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Combos
Any Mode
Dash A/B, 236A or 623/A/B j.B 2B 623B j.B 2B/5B 236236AB Armor active 41236C 236236AB Note: any combo involving his 236236AB Dm will not work on a crouching opponent except for Washizuka, Shigen, and Juzoh.
Power Mode
jB 6C 236B 236236AB delay the dm a bit for more hits, does not work in a corner 5A 236A 236236AB 63214C main confirm into dm and one every power setsuna player should learn. If you’re having trouble canceling 5A quickly you can input this as 236A+B~A/236A+C~A. Either input will give you 5A cancelled immediately into 236A. It is safe to activate armor after a dm connects. J.B 6C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Does not work in a corner jB, 5A/5B/2B 623B j.B 6C 41236C 236B 623A/C or 236236AB with armor active. Corner. To cancel 6C into 41236C hold 4 for a short time immediately after pressing 6C to clear the input buffer. 236B 623C J.B 6C 41236C 41236AB with sdm armor active. Corner. Input the sdm follow up immediately after inputting 41236C. If done correctly it will activate at the same time 41236C connects. J.B 6C 41236Cx4 623C 6321463214B with sdm armor active, corner. You,re cancelling each 41236C into the next. Builds enough meter to reactivate sdm armor. Stylish combo that hits the damage cap.
EX Mode Only
Dash A/B 2B 236A 236236AB 41236C j.B 4A 5A 2A 2B 236A 236236AB 41236C you can always setup armor safely after dm connects. 5A 2A 2B 3C 6321463214B 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 2C 2C 6BC 236B 236236AB delay the dm for more hits 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 2C 2C 6BC 236B 623A/C 5C otg. corner.
Power and EX Mode
Dash A/B 236A 236236AB j B 2B 236A 236236AB j B 3C 6321463214B j C 5C 236A 236236AB.
Speed and EX Mode
4A 5A 2A 2B 623B 5A 2A 3C 214B gimmicky sweep into overhead. Can catch people blocking low occasionally but it’s not safe on hit. Opponents can air tech after 214B and punish you for using it. 5A 5A 5B 6C 63214C armor setup from 1/2 screen or more. Dash A/B, 2B 623B 4A 5A 2A 5B/2B 236236AB depending on distance you may need to cancel at the first hit of 5B/2B. 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 2C 2C 6BC 623Ax2 (corner) 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 2C 2C 6BC 236236AB release late for more hits. Works anywhere, requires desperation. Armor active 41236C 22A/B 5A 5B 5C 2C BC 236B. Use this fandango outside of a corner when not in desperation. The 2nd one listed below does more damage but opponent can air tech and punish you at the end. This one causes a hard knockdown
Super Speed Combos
A + B + C + A + B + C + A + B + 236C A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + 236B A + B + C + 2C + 2C + 6BC A + B + C + 2C + BC + 236B