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===Standing=== | ===Standing=== | ||
'''s.A:''' 25 damage, cancel-able & chain-able, hits mid. | '''s.A:''' 25 damage, cancel-able & chain-able, hits mid. A very quick, nice ranged jab. Good for stopping hops. Whiffs on crouching opponents, so be careful using it up close. 3+ frames on block. | ||
'''s.B:''' 30 damage, hits mid. | '''s.B:''' 30 damage, hits mid. A boot aimed at the lower mid-section. It is not cancellable out of anything, but you can chain it from other light normals. A good poke at close range, and you will be confirming this kick into HD activation sometimes. -1 frame on block. | ||
'''s.C:''' 80 damage, super cancel-able, hits mid. | '''s.C:''' 80 damage, super cancel-able, hits mid. This is another good punch that you will be using to stop incoming hops. It even has autoguard which will catch some hop attacks at the right time. The range is fairly long too. You will be using this poke pretty often at range -7 frames on block but you will be out of their range before most characters can do anything. | ||
'''s.D:''' 70 damage, hits | '''s.D:''' 70 damage, hits mid. A sort of a round kick that's aimed at the midsection. Unfortunately it isn't cancellable into anything, so it can be sort of a risk to poke with this attack. The range is fairly long so you can end some juggles with this. -9 frames on block. | ||
'''cl. C:''' 70 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. | '''cl. C:''' 70 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. This gut punch is one of the few starters to many of his combos. It's quick, safe on block (-1 frame), but you will need to learn how to properly hit confirm this or else you will missing out on good potential damage from phat combo. | ||
'''cl. D:''' 80 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. | '''cl. D:''' 80 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. Sort of a high knee aimed at the chin. It would be best to use cl.C over this kick because cl.C is much faster (by a frame though) and is safer on block. But if you are personally more used to using this attack than cl.C for combos, it won't get you killed. -12 frames on block. | ||
===Crouching=== | ===Crouching=== | ||
Revision as of 03:14, 29 March 2012
Normals
Standing
s.A: 25 damage, cancel-able & chain-able, hits mid. A very quick, nice ranged jab. Good for stopping hops. Whiffs on crouching opponents, so be careful using it up close. 3+ frames on block.
s.B: 30 damage, hits mid. A boot aimed at the lower mid-section. It is not cancellable out of anything, but you can chain it from other light normals. A good poke at close range, and you will be confirming this kick into HD activation sometimes. -1 frame on block.
s.C: 80 damage, super cancel-able, hits mid. This is another good punch that you will be using to stop incoming hops. It even has autoguard which will catch some hop attacks at the right time. The range is fairly long too. You will be using this poke pretty often at range -7 frames on block but you will be out of their range before most characters can do anything.
s.D: 70 damage, hits mid. A sort of a round kick that's aimed at the midsection. Unfortunately it isn't cancellable into anything, so it can be sort of a risk to poke with this attack. The range is fairly long so you can end some juggles with this. -9 frames on block.
cl. C: 70 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. This gut punch is one of the few starters to many of his combos. It's quick, safe on block (-1 frame), but you will need to learn how to properly hit confirm this or else you will missing out on good potential damage from phat combo.
cl. D: 80 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. Sort of a high knee aimed at the chin. It would be best to use cl.C over this kick because cl.C is much faster (by a frame though) and is safer on block. But if you are personally more used to using this attack than cl.C for combos, it won't get you killed. -12 frames on block.
Crouching
cr. A: 25 damage, cancel-able & chain-able, hits mid.
cr. B: 30 damage, chain-able, hits low.
cr. C 70 damage, cancel-able, hits mid.
cr. D 80 damage, cancel-able, hits low.
Jumping
j. A: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead.
j. B: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead.
j. C: 72 (70) damage, hits overhead.
j. D: 70 (68) damage, hits overhead.
Blowback Attack
CD: 75 damage, whiff and hit cancel-able, hits mid.
j. CD: 90 (80), hits mid.
GCCD: 10 damage, hits mid. Guard Cancel Blowback Attack
Throw
Kokakugeki = (b/f+C/D) close 33+33+40 damage, can be broken
Command Moves
Fusenkyaku = (f+B) 65 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. His forward kick to the gut from the previous version. It has good reach, cancelable by itself, best move to activate HD with and perfect to be used in most of is combos.
Special Moves
Geki-Ken = (qcf+A/C) - Swinging punch that lunges forward. It has good startup and recovery for his A version. A version is the most abusable move in his repertoire. It's safe when blocked and is perfect to stop hopping opponents. The C version can be canceled by a AB roll. Ex qcf+P travels farther, starts up quicker, and goes through projectiles.
(EX) = qcf+AC
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 65/80/100
Gekiken (Charged) = (qcf+C) hold for 2 seconds - Fully charged C version mimicks his DM with a DM flash and does 20% damage if it connects. It has a deceivingly good vertical hitbox and crumples opponent upon connection. Guarding a fully charged leads to a Guard Crash (except on Ralf, Clark, Goro and Maxima due to higher guard meter) into full combo.
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 80/85/200
Gekiken Feint = During Gekiken (Charge) press K
Fuku Tora Geki = (qcb+A) - Two-parter starting with his double hand overhead then swinging back upwards launches the opponent for a low juggle (can be Super Canceled (SC'd) into his qcf x2 + A/C DM). It retains its overhead properties despite being in a block string; however, it is not safe when blocked if your opponent has a fast countering move. Unlike XII, he can cancel his qcb + A off of his command attack f + B. Extremely useful in his mix-ups and most damaging special to SC off of. EX version juggles opponents higher (high enough to connect his qcf x2 + A/C DM).
(EX) = qcb+AC
- Hit Detection: Mid
- Damage: 60/70
∟ Kanyuu Ryugeki = (qcf+A) - Second part of the Fuku Tora Geki. This move is not safe if blocked.
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 50/80
Tenrenken = (qcf+K) - Lunges forward with a sliding grounded uppercut. Not as useful for anti-air as XII as he slides forward even with the B version. Only useful for anticipated hops and maybe some jumps. D version combos off his BnB s.C, f.B chain, and is also safe on block. Ex version is much more useful, does an added hit and allows for juggles but is not the anti-air move that you would expect. Follow up with a qcf + D for juggles (otherwise opponent is too high and falls down vertically).
(EX) = qcf+BD
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 50/70/50(55)+55
Tamaken = (hcb f+P) - Command throw which combos off his f.B chain and even his light attacks if he's close enough. Without any drive canceling or super canceling, this is his strongest comboable special (even slightly stronger than Shen Woo Hammer). Can be kara-canceled from his stand CD for more range. Ex version crumples the opponent and allows for jugglable followups like DM, qcb + A, or EX dp B/D.
(EX) = hcb f+AC
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: Close
- Damage: 120
Tamaken Deflect = (qcb+C) - Reflects incoming projectile. You can cancel the ending frames into any move however the most practical one is C Shen Woo Punch Lite and cancel if needed.
Desperation Moves
Tatsu!! Gekiken! = (qcfx2+P) - Buffed up version of his of Shen Woo Punch Lite. It does good damage and is invincible after startup. Ex version is much faster.
(EX) = qcfx2+AC
- Max Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 220/320
Bakuten = (C,A,B,C) 2 stocks - Causes Shen Woo to explode and glow yellow like SSJ. The explosion itself does about 312 dmg and his attack increases by 30% while in this mode. Note: Normally the minimum any DM gets scaled down to is .5 but since he gets the 30% increase the minimum the CABC DM does in a combo is .65 of 240, or 156 dmg.
- Max Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 240
Neomax
Tensho Bakushingeki = (qcf~hcb+AC) - Fast chase down punisher. Shen glides across the screen and activates an upwards punch sending a blast upwards.
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 200+250
Combos
Assuming you start each combo with j.C/D, s.C, f.B, here's a guide to use which combo to use under which circumstance:
No stock or Drive guage -
hcb~f+P or corner qcf D, far C (~311dmg)
1 stock, no Drive guage -
Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, hyperhop C (~430dmg)
1 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, (corner) d.C (524dmg)
qcb A.qcf A [DC] qcf A, qcf x2 +A = (489 dmg)
hcb~f+P [DC] qcf D, qcf x2 +P = (519 dmg)
2 stock, 0 Drive gauge
qcf BD, qcf D, qcf D, qcf x 2 +P = (530 dmg)
2 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, qcf x2 +P DM (599dmg)
qcb A.qcf A [DC] qcf A, CABC (553 dmg)
qcb A.qcf A [DC] qcf D, qcf B, CABC (576 dmg)
3 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, Ex qcfx2 + P DM (649dmg)
Naturally, should use HyperDrive if you have two Drive gauges, so the rest are non-Drive gauge combos:
2 stocks -
Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf x2+P DM (~526dmg)
3 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf x2+P DM (~601dmg)
corner Ex qcb A.qcf A, qcf D, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~608dmg)
4 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, Ex qcf x2+P DM (~663dmg)
corner Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~671dmg)
5 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D, Ex qcf P, Ex qcf x2+P DM (~682dmg)
corner Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D Ex qcf P, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~691dmg)
HyperDrive
There are so many variations to his HyperDrive combos (HD) so it's really about picking your own poison. Fortunately, all his (Ex) DMs juggles so SCing/MCing isn't a problem.
If you don't like the fancy stuff then do the 5 stock:
(1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBA-z3zY1qQ) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD s.C, f.B, C.A.B.C, MC qcf~hcb+AC is already ~977dmg (if you add a qcf+A [HDC]... before the CABC the damage is 983)
If you like to conserve stocks:
(2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U#t=0m24) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, qcf D, qcf B, Bakuten (C.A.B.C) (2 stocks, 831dmg)
(2c) NEW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc#t=4m50) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A(whiff).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC (2 stocks, 813 dmg)
(3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTE1nyR0IF8) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, Ex hcb~f+P, qcb A.qcf A, [i] delay[/i] [HDC] qcf+D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf C, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC[/url] (3 stocks, HD, 870dmg)
(4) Made popular by Haregoro's white Shen from the KCE vids: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl86pDdUGlE) s.C/d.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, ([HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, qcf A) x3, CABC. (2 stocks 818dmg / 822dmg if you do Ex qcf x2+AC instead)
4 stocks 100%:
(5) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, ([HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C [charge half a sec]) x3, qcf D, CABC, Ex qcf x2+P DM
(2b) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U#t=0m36) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] D, CABC, Ex qcf x2 +AC
100% combos 5 stocks
(5b) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C [charge half a sec], [HDC] qcf D, CABC, Ex qcf x2+P DM
(5c) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4Ycz5RsPA#t=0m09) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcf A, [HDC] qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, CABC, MC NM.
Special
(6) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMFqrGXypI) 4leaf's Shen 4 hit 100% combo. (Corner and in HD) qcf C (fully charged), CABC, [MC] NM
Fullscreen wall carries
(7a) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc#t=4m50) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A (whiffs).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC (2 stocks 813dmg)
(7b) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U)j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A (whiffs).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, CABC (2 stocks 779dmg) .
KOF XIII - No. 17's Shen 1 stock 799dmg HD combo
(8) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQgoRtTYlA) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf x2+P DM
Strategies
Far Range
Mid Range
Close Range
Cornered Opponent
Cornered
Move Metadata
| Move | Damage | Stun | Startup | On Guard | Remarks |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| cl.A | 25 | 3 | 4 | +3 | |
| cr.A | 25 | 3 | 5 | +2 | |
| st.A | 25 | 3 | 4 | +3 | |
| j.A | 45 | 3 | 6 | - | |
| h.A | 40 | 3 | 6 | - | |
| cl.B | 30 | 3 | 7 | -1 | |
| cr.B | 30 | 3 | 5 | +2 | |
| st.B | 30 | 3 | 7 | -1 | |
| j.B | 45 | 3 | 5 | - | |
| h.B | 40 | 3 | 5 | - | |
| cl.C | 70 | 7 | 5 | -1 | |
| cr.C | 70 | 7 | 4 | -13 | |
| st.C | 80 | 7 | 9 | -7 | Has autoguard |
| j.C | 72 | 7 | 6 | - | |
| h.C | 70 | 7 | 6 | - | |
| cl.D | 80 | 7 | 6 | -12 | |
| cr.D | 80 | 7 | 8 | -8 | |
| st.D | 80 | 7 | 11 | -9 | |
| j.D | 70 | 7 | 8 | - | |
| h.D | 68 | 7 | 8 | - | |
| st.CD | 75 | 10 | 14 | -1 | |
| j.CD | 90 | 8 | 12 | - | |
| h.CD | 80 | 8 | 12 | - | |
| f+B | 65 | 6 | 16 | -2 | |
| Normal Throw | 100 | 0 | 1 | - | Hard knockdown |
| GCCD | 4 | 0 | 13 | -15 | |
| A Geki-ken | 65 | 8 | 15 | -3 | |
| C Geki-Ken | 60 | 10 | 21 | -6 | |
| C Geki-ken Charge 1 | 80 | 10 | - | -1 | Cancel animation 6, immediate cancel, entire animation 13 |
| C Geki-ken Charge 2 | 85 | 14 | - | -3 | |
| C Geki-ken Charge 3 | 200 | 20 | 78(58) | -8 | Freeze frames 20 |
| Fukkogeki | 60 | 6 | 18 | -16 | |
| Kanyuu Ryugeki | 50 | 4 | - | -17 | |
| B Tenrenken | 50 | 8 | 14 | -7 | |
| D Tenrenken | 70 | 6 | 17 | -2 | |
| Tamaken | 120 | 0 | 5 | - | Whiff 38 |
| Tamaken Deflect | 0 | 0 | - | - | Complete animation 36 |
| EX Geki-ken | 100 | 0 | 16 | -8 | |
| EX Fukkogeki | 70 | 0 | 18 | -20 | |
| EX Tenrenken(1) | 50 | 0 | 15 | - | |
| EX Tenrenken(2) | 55 | 0 | - | -7 | |
| EX Tamaken | 120 | 0 | 3 | - | Whiff 37 |
| Zetsu Gekiken | 220 | 0 | 40(11) | -20 | Freeze 29 |
| EX Zetsu Gekiken | 320 | 0 | 40(22) | -20 | Freeze 29 |
| Bakushin | 240 | 0 | 62(3) | -28 | Freeze 59 |
| Tenshou Bakushingeki (1) | 200 | 0 | 45(15) | - | Freeze 30 |
| Tenshou Bakushingeki (2) | 250 | 0 | - | -30 |
Videos
KCE Shen Basic Introduction
Shen Master Class
Practical CMV vol 1 Shen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOMjgzq81RU
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