The King of Fighters XIII/Chin Gentsai

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Quick Combos Reference

0 Stock, No Drive Gauge	Low Low Anywhere	d.B, s.A, d.B, s.A, qcb A = 149 dmg s.B, Quickie Punches, s.C, df.B, s.C/qcb A (so you can drink) = 209 dmg s.C, s.C, df.B, s.C/qcb A = 205 dmg
0 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge	Anywhere Corner	s.C, s.C, df B, qcb A. [DC] hcf B, df.B(whiff)~B = 306 dmg s.C, s.C, df B, qcb A. [DC] hcf D, df.B~B, s.C = 379 dmg
1 Stock, 1+ Drive Gauge	Low, Anywhere 70% of screen onwards Overhead, 70% of screen onwards	d.B, s.A, d.B, Ex df BD, hcf B, df.B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df B x3~B, s.C = 413 dmg s.C, s.C, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, df.B~B, s.C = 487 dmg df D, QP, s.C x2, Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B~B, s.C = 554 dmg

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Gameplay Notes

First of all, why Chin?  He's the only small character in XIII yet he doesn't have the typical advantages of being small which is annoying (In XII, he was small enough to duck certain moves without doing anything, such as Robert's forward A which now hits a crouching Chin in XIII).  The purpose, is to annoy the hell out of people with the limited, but well thought-out moveset he has.  Although, he mainly has one or two combos with many variations to it, he has many combo starters as mentioned in the combo section (Overhead, d.B combos, hcf+K, df.B as an anti air, counter and so forth). Master him and people will stop underestimating "just the gimmicky old guy".

Pros

-Great against mid-projectilers (or similar) like Andy, Ash, Ryo, Robert, Takuma, Mature, Elisabeth, King, Mai, Yuri, K', Athena, Kensou, Leona, Saiki and Mr Karate; decent against low-projectilers with stock.

-Decent Ex counter and great Ex moves in general

-Strong HD combos and damaging combos with drive plus stocks from pretty much anywhere on the screen

-Good options and mixups / mind games

-Overhead that leads to damaging combos

-Drinking increases his damage 10% per swig, up to five drinks (in the arcade version he used to get a drop in defense penalty as well)

-His d x2+BD stance cancel shortcut and jump/hop cancel makes pressure games real interesting

Cons

-Significantly weaker without drive cancels and stocks

-Hard to get in and...

-even if you do, normals have limited reach

-Floaty jump (which makes crossups easy to read / react to as well)

-Specials are mostly unsafe

-Overhead cannot activate HD (due to it being in the air)

-Overhead can be punished if blocked

-Lacks anti-air if you don't want to risk his counters

-Low projectilers such as Kyo, Terry, Flame Iori but mainly Joe can give him a hard time

Normals

Standing Close

s.A: 25 damage, chain/cancelable, hits mid. Standing forward poke, average range, fast, chains into s.A/d.B and is cancellable.

s.B: 30 damage, cancelable, hits low. Standing low kick to the shin, must be blocked low, is cancellable but does not chain to any normal. Great for his high low game since it needs to be blocked low --> df + B/Quickie Punches.

s.C: 70 damage, cancelable, hits mid. His combo starter of choice, double palm to the chest--comes out fast, cancellable, good priority, and is meaty.

s.D: 70 damage, cancelable, hits mid. Leans back drunkenly while kicking forward (very drunken fist like). Comes out slower, still cancels.

Far Normals

Far A: 25 damage, chain/cancelable, hits mid. Standing forward poke, average range, fast, chains into s.A/d.B and is cancellable.

Far B: 30 damage, cancelable, hits low. Standing low kick to the shin, must be blocked low, is cancellable but does not chain to any normal. Great for his high low game since it needs to be blocked low --> df + B/Quickie Punches

Far C: 80 damage, cancelable, hits mid. New horizontal with a slight upwards swing with both arms (very drunken fist like), has deceivingly good range (in Chin terms) and it cancels as well (great to cancel into df + D, but not a true combo). If anticipated early enough, use this for anti-hops into df + B/.

Far D: 80 damage, hits mid. Longest range move for Chin, solid kick to the gut, button can be held to go into his kick stance. Also used for HD activations explained later.

Crouching

d.A: 25 damage, chain/cancelable, hits mid. Quick low hit, can still be blocked high, pretty standard, used in his BnB combos. Chains into d A, d B, st A, fast and is cancellable.

d.B: 30 damage, chain/cancelable, hits low. Front sweep, slightly slower than his d A, about the same range, is cancellable and chains into d B, d A, s A. Since it can be canceled, play around with his d.B into df.D overhead.

d.C: 70 damage, cancelable, hits mid. Slight diagonal upward elbow, not that good for anti air, and the new far C does a better job for that role. Nevertheless, it's cancellable so it's somewhat useful.

d.D: 80 damage, hits low. Real low sweep as Chin basically lies on his back and does a double thrust with his feet. Good range, good recovery but is not cancellable.

Jumping

j.A: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead. Horizontal punch with a slight upward angle, fast and is a great choice for air-to-air. Use this instead of j. CD if they are already above you or started jumping before you.

j.B: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead. Standard martial arts fly kick, comes out slower but stays out longer than any of his jump attacks. Decent range.

j.C: 72 (70) damage, hits overhead. Chin lies horizontally in the air, good solid j. C, great priority and crosses up well.

j.D: 70 (68) damage, hits overhead. Jumps and kicks backwards while facing backwards himself drinking at the same time, it's actually a really funny animation. Good horizontal reach, decent air to air, good priority, good move for a vertical jump too. More difficult to use as a crossup but still good.

Blowback Attack

s.CD: 75 damage, cancelable, hits mid. Leans forward and hits with one arm, good speed, cancellable, good range for Chin. It should be noted that due to the strange crossup mix up of XIII, avoid using his GCCD on jump ins as much since it tends to miss a lot. Use his counter qcb + B/BD instead.

j.CD: 90 (80) damage, cancelable, hits mid. Real quick horizontal swing of the foot, good horizontal range, extremely good j.CD overall (I would put it in the top 5 due to it's speed an amazing priority). One of his key tools in zoning.

GCCD: 10 damage. Guard Cancel Blowback Attack

Move Metadata

Move	Damage	Stun	Startup	On Guard	Remarks
s.A	25	3	4	+2
d.A	25	3	5	0
Far A	25	3	4	+2
j.A	45	3	4	-
Hop A	40	3	4	-
s.B	30	3	4	+2
d.B	30	3	5	-1
Far B	30	3	4	+2
j.B	45	3	6	-
Hop B	40	3	6	-
s.C	70	7	4	-4
d.C	70	7	6	-3
Far C	80	7	6	-3
j.C	72	7	6	-
Hop C	70	7	6	-
s.D	70	7	5	-9
d.D	80	7	10	-15
Far D	80	7	9	-7	張果老の構え移行で+1
j.D	70	7	8	-
Hop D	68	7	8	-
s.CD	75	10	13	-1
j.CD	90	8	12	-
Hop CD	80	8	11	-
Normal Throw	100	0	0	1	端で追撃可
GCCD	4	0	13	-15	J攻撃には発生17F
Uronkochu = df D	45	6	21	-9	中断は全体29F
Suiho = qcb P	60	6	8, 15	-15
Ex Suiho = Ex qcb P	120	0	7	-1
Kaitenteki Kutotsuken = hcf K	70, 90	6	22, 25	-7, -11
Ex Kaitenteki Kutotsuken = Ex hcf K	120	0	20	-1	2nd hit -11
Nikiyaku = df B~B	20,60	2, 6	13, -	-3, -13	密着、張果老中Bは発生7F
Ex Nikiyaku = df BD	40,40	0	10, -	-, -4
Getsugasosho = d x2+P~P	30, 35	2	4, -	-, -4
Ex Getsugasosho = Ex d x2+P~P	45, 45, 45	0	4, -	+5
Ryu Sogeki = qcb K	80, 40	12, 8	1	-	全体49F 当身18F
Ex Ryu Sogeki = Ex qcb K	30, 55, 55, 80	0	1	-	24 Blockstun, 25 Hitstun
Far D (Press D during Chokaroh) = d x2+K~D	85	7	10	+1	4 frames from afar & no cancel
Chokaroh = d x2+K	0	0	1	-	解除は全体4F
Chou Karou (Kaijou) = d x2+K~BD	0	0	-	-	全体16F
Drink = rdp+P	0	0	-	-	全体41F(27Fで完了)
Tohkuhitenhoh (1st hit) = qcf x2+P	30	0	36(7)	-19	時間停止29
Tohkuhitenhoh (2nd - 8th hit) = qcf x2+P	30	0	-	-
Ex Tohkuhitenhoh (1st hit) = Ex qcf x2+P	20	0	35(6)	-16
Ex Tohkuhitenhoh (2nd - 8th hit) = Ex qcf x2+P	20	0	-	-
Tetsuzankou = (Drunk) qcb~hcf+A	220	0	40(11)	-13	時間停止29
Tetsuzankou = (Drunk) qcb~hcf+C	180	0	47(18)	-23	時間停止29
Suisou Gouran Enbu (1st hit) = qcfx2+BD	14	0	73(14)	-	時間停止59
Suisou Gouran Enbu (2nd - 27th hit) = qcfx2+BD	14	0	-	-
Air Suisou Gouran Enbu (1st hit) = air qcfx2+BD	14	0	63(23)	-
Air Suisou Gouran Enbu (2nd - 27th hit) = air qcfx2+BD	14	0	-	-

Throw

Bangeki = b/f+C/D close 100 damage. Chin grabs the opponent and does a double palm to the chest.

Command Moves

Uronkochu = df+D 45 damage, hits overhead.

• Overhead flipkick. Can be combo out of but too slow to combo into. If you press and hold the D button OR if you tap D again, the overhead will cancel before it hits allowing you to do any move afterwards. You can be thrown if you cancel the overhead, but it's all worth it because this is one of his key combo starters. Press punch after the overhead and it'll do his quickie punches (down x 2 + punch~punch).

Kamae = Far D (hold)

• Goes into kick stance.

Chokaroh = d,d+K

• Chin hops into one foot. Pressing f and b makes him hop rapidly in that direction. You can hop or jump out of it (the jump is new to XIII) but you can not block. Can be free canceled into any special and has multiple follow ups. New to XIII, he can now throw an opponent by pushing forward or backward C in this stance. Note, this does have a whiff animation and acts as a normal throw--hence he the throw can be broken out of.

∟ Standing A (Press A during Chokaroh)

∟ Nikiyaku (Press B during Chokaroh)

∟ Standing C (Press C during Chokaroh--in the arcade version it would do his Quickie Punches)

∟ Far D (Press D during Chokaroh)

• Does 85 damage instead and leaves you with +1 frames

∟ Chou Karou (Kaijou) = BD

• Cancels his stance (Press BD during Chokaroh) There is a special shortcut to go straight into this animation, and since the move itself is cancelable, it enables him to link hits that normally wouldn't combo (e.g. s.C into far C). The shortcut is performed d x2+BD.

Zanbantetsu = d,d+P

• Chin crosses his feet and squats down real low. Apparently, he has total upper body invincibility, even d As and jump attacks miss him. Just like his kick stance, he can now throw an opponent by pushing forward or backward C. In trade, he has lost his ability (from KOF XII) to cancel the stance into a d B while squatting. You can free cancel his stance into any special. Pressing up will end the stance early.

∟ Getsugasosho (Press A/C during Zanbantetsu)

• The follow up are two quick hits with both hands and has very high priority. It can be free canceled into any special. Ex version does 3 hits (only the last hit can be cancelled) and the third hit draws the opponent back to him and you can follow that up with a s.C (Perfect for HD activation). The Ex version needs to be done close for the third hit to connect and hence even if you did one d.B before the Ex version the third hit will miss. The only thing that will combo into the Ex version and have all three connect is df.D, QP, Ex QP.

(EX) = AC (after doing d x2+P)

- Cancellable

- Hit Detection: Mid

- Damage: 30+35/45x3

Special Moves

Nikiyaku (EX) = df+B.B 20+60/40x2 damage, cancelable, hits mid.

• Kyo-like kick diagonally upwards, you can press B again during the first kick to kick again (a la Ex Kyo/old school Kyo). Landing automatically puts you into the kick stance, you can cancel the landing frames into anything. Must anticipate early on if you want to use df B as an anti-air and do not use if they they are nearly above you. Cancel the landing frames into another df B or qcb + A. The Ex version automatically does the second hit for you and launches the opponent higher into the air.

Suiho (EX) = qcb+P 60/120 damage

• A quick hit to the face with the back of his fist. A version is quick, C version is slower and used mainly for specific juggles. Deceivingly good range and recovery but not safe especially if done close. Ex version does more damage and setups specific juggles. You can drive/super/Ex cancel out of it.

Ryu Sogeki (EX) = qcb+K 80/40/40+70x2+80 damage

• Chin walks backwards 1-2 steps (lasts only 1 second in the console version) in a seemingly drunken state with his head down awaiting for an attack; this move is a counter. The B counter counters all specials, and air attacks and even counters projectiles. For the B counter, he'll flip backwards immediately so a df + B will connect depending on how deep the attack was, or a well timed hcf + B. The D counter counters low hitting normals and some attacks that hit at his waist level. He'll do one cancelable s.D (note, if you don't cancel the s.D the opponent will have frame advantage) allowing you to cancel out of it. NOTE:The follows ups to the B and D counter are switched in the arcade version. EX Counter counters everything, he'll do a series of four hits that end in a qcb + A or C that can be free-cancelled into any special but the best follow up is a hcf + K. The EX counter does 199 damage in the console version and the active frames are incredibly short.

Drink = rdp+P

• Drink. Chin takes a swig from his gourd and he gets darker in color as his drink counter increases; the max you can drink is 5 drinks. Every drink Chin increases his offense damage by 10% and in the console version, he takes no penalty whatsoever. He will lose a drink counter every time he's knocked off his feet.

Kaitenteki Kutotsuken (EX)= hcf+K 70/90/120 damage

• Chin rolls across the ground and ends in a backfast to the chest area. B doesn't go as far although D seems to startup quicker. This move radicalized Chin's gameplay from XII (which was strong already) since it allows you to free cancel into any special (no stances/supers). Of course you can chose to deplete a cancel and super cancel into one of his DMs if you like. Mid fireballers have to watch or even stop throwing them completely lest they want to eat a 40%+ combo as the D will go under mid fireballs (Even Mature's regular one). Chin's hcf B can go under the fireball of these four characters: Andy's, Ash's, Saiki's and King's. It cannot go under Robert's, Takuma's, Mature's, Mai's, K's, Athena's and Kensou's. EX version is much faster and is invincible during the roll but not the start. Most common specials to free cancel into are qcb + A or df B but you can juggle with hcf + B so you don't waste a drive cancel. The Ex hcf + K is pretty safe leaving you at a -1 frame disadvantage.

Desperation Moves

Tohkuhitenhoh = qcf x2+P

• Chin flies forward with a spinning headbut a la Jackie Chan. Normally does 8 hits if they all connect and the EX version does 16 hits. The EX versions combos off a d B, d A, and off a df + B but the normal version can only be comboed off a df + BD or super canceled off a hcf + B or C.

(EX) = qcf x2+AC -

- Max Cancelable

- Hit Detection: High

- Damage: 30x8/20x16

- Damage in console: 30x7/20x16

Tetsuzankou = (Drunk) qcb~hcf+P

• Chin turns around and slams his back into the opponent a la Xiang Fei. A version is quicker and combos off df + Bs. C version is slower but has wire damage and can be followed up into the A version or into qcb + A juggle combos. C version also combos off his Getsugasosho.

- Max Cancelable

- Hit Detection: High

- Damage: 220/180

Neomax

Suisou Gouran Enbu = qcfx2+BD (also in air)

• Chin breathes fire out like 2k2UM. The player can control the direction of the flames. This move can be performed in the air.

- Hit Detection: High

- Damage: 14x27(14x24)

Combos

BnB

Chin's 1 drive 1/2 stock combos are so incredibly crucial to his gameplay that you would be forgiven not doing HD combos. He averages 500+ basically off any scenario, anywhere on the screen. We're not even talking about drinking once or twice which you should always do per round. Master these combos and your opponent will be staying clear of you.

Although the combos below are technically 1 drive 2 stock combos (remove the parenthesis if you only want to burn 1 stock), most if not all, replenishes 100% (or damn near) of your bar:

1 drive 2 stocks

Combo (1): (midscreen) (starter), Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, (Ex df K, hcf D,) df B x2~B, s.C

Starters:

a) j.C, s.C, far C - [663]

b) s.C, far C - [637]

c) s.C, s.C - [627]

d) s.C - [600]

e) d.B, Quickie Punches, far C - [570]

Combo (2): (anywhere) (starter), df B, qcb A, [DC} hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, (Ex df K, hcf D,) df B x2~B, s.C

a) - [606]

b) - [576]

c) - [566]

d) - [534]

e) - [519]

Combo (3): (anywhere) (starter), Ex hcf K, hcf B, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, (Ex df K, hcf D,) df B x3~B, s.C

a) - [633]

b) - [605]

c) - [595]

d) - [486]

e) - [443]

1 drive 1 stock light hit starter

-(midscreen) d.B, s.A, d.B, Ex df K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B x2~B, s.C

-(anywhere) d.B, s.A, d.B, Ex df K, hcf B, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df B x3~B, s.C

Flow Chart

Chin has many combo variations depending on where you on the screen. The most damaging one requires you to be midscreen at least. Note that all s.C that are combo into can far C if you use the stance cancel technique. The Flow Chart might look daunting at first, but once you do one or two variations you will see they are just derivatives of each other.

Starters

a) j.B / j.C / j.D / crossup C, s.C-->

b) d.C / s.C / far C-->

c) (s.A), d.B, Quickie Punches (dwn x2+P.P), s.C-->

d) df.D, into Quickie Punches, s.C x2-->

e) df.D, Quickie Punches, Ex Quickie Punch, s.C-->

f) d.B, d.A / s.A, d.B-->

g) hcf+D (for mid projectiles)-->

h) Ex hcf+K for ground projectiles and low hits (add an optional Ex qcb P), hcf+B (Ex hcf+K has invincibility during roll)-->

i) D Counter, hcf K-->

j) B counter, df B-->

k) df.B as an anti air-->

Middle

a~e) df.B, qcb+A, [DC] hcf+K, {df.BD, hcf B,} df B x n~B-->

a~e) Ex hcf K, hcf B, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df B x3~B-->

a~e) {midscreen} Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

a~e) qcb+A, [DC] hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

g~i) if it's hcf B, then just do qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

g~i) if it's hcf D, qcb A, [DC] hcf B, df BD, hcf K, df B x n~B-->

f, j~k) qcb+A, [DC] hcf+K, df.BD, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

f) Ex df BD, hcf B, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df.B x3~B-->

f) {midscreen} Ex df BD, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

-After the first df.B, just goto neutral and press B)

-{df.BD, hcf+B,} can be repeated as many times as you have stocks

Corner/Finisher

-s.C

• Best damage for non-stock finishers and is a reset for mixups (Hop/Jump cancels, s.A into punch stance-->delay throw, s.C x2 pressure, s.C into cancel).

-qcb A (omit the df.B~B follow up: df.B x n, qcb A)

• Good to bait a recovery roll so you can normal throw them into the corner for big damage

-qcb~hcf+A (must drink first)

• Only worthwhile way to spend one stock for a DM

-Ex qcf x2+P DM

• Good damage if you're not doing a long combo otherwise it suffers from damage scaling

Note: Doing most of the combos mentioned, will replenish approximately 80% of his stock guage!  

If you're near the corner you can do a special variation:

-s.C, df.B, qcb A, [DC], hcf B, (earliest cancel as possible) df.BD, hcf+B, df.B, hcf B, df.B...

Miscellaneous

Non-Drive combos

• No stock:

-s.C, s.C, df.B, s.C/qcb A ~ 205 dmg

• 2 stocks:

-s.A, d.B, QP, Ex hcf K, Ex qcb P, hcf B, df.B.B (393dmg)

-s.A, d.B, QPx3, df.B, Ex qcf x2+AC DM  (408dmg)

• 3 stocks:

-s.A, d.B, QP, Ex hcf K, hcf B, df.B, Ex DM (~511dmg depending on # of hits on Ex DM)

-With a j.D, s.C, Ex hcf K starter it's 529dmg for 19 hits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTHkYCJBFA#t=0m33

-Just for kicks, here's the same combo after drinking five times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTHkYCJBFA#t=0m43

Reversals

-Ex qcb K, (Ex hcf K,) hcf B, df B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df.B x3~B-->

-{midscreen}, Ex qcb K, (Ex hcf K), hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df B, hcf B, df B x n~B-->

-Ex qcb P, [DC] hcf B, df B x2~3, s.C

-(if you're not right next to him) Ex qcb P, [DC] hcf B, df B, hcf B-->

• It cannot overstate how good his Ex qcb+P it has full invincibility, -1 on block, and can be [DC]'d into longer combos.

-You can also time a d x2+P, punch stance, and crouch any non-low attacks. As long as you time the Quickie Punches (just press C during the punch stance) when they land, you can do a full combo

Counter Starters

a){midscreen} Ex qcb K, hcf B, df.B, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df.BD, hcf B, df.B x4, s.A (16 hits, 2 stocks 1 drive, 525dmg)

• You can start off with 1 stock and you should build 1 more stock by the time you finish your combo

b) qcb D, Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df.B, hcf B, df.BD, hcf B, df.B x4, s.A

c) Ex qcb K, Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df.B, hcf B, df.B x3, s.A (14 hits, 2 stocks 1 drive, 570dmg)

• Again, more damage than the first 2 combos, but it depends on how much you start with.  

d) Ex qcb K, Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df.B, hcf B, df.BD, hcf B, df.B x4, s.A (18 hits, 3 stocks 1 drive, 628dmg)

• Use this one if you started off with 2 stocks 1 drive and you're confident that you'll build 1 more in time

e) qcb B, df B x1~3, qcb A, [DC] hcf D, df BD, hcf D, df B x2~B, s.C

Drink DM combos

-(drink) df.D, Quickie Punches, qcb~hcf+C (wires), qcb~hcf+A (has to be the opposite direction)

-(drink) df+D, Quickie Punches, qcb~hcf+C (wires), qcb+A, [DC] hcf+B, Ex df+BD, hcf+B, df+B, qcb~hcf+A 64% damage (3 stocks, 1 drive, 1 drink)

Corner normal throw combos

-(Throw) qcb A

-(Throw), DM

-(Throw), Ex DM

-(Throw), qcb A, [DC] hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, df B~B, s.C - 480dmg

• This needs to be the goto combo after a normal corner throw, 480 for 1 drive 1 stock is too good to pass up.

-(Throw), qcb A, [DC] hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, Ex df K, hcf D, df B~B, s.C

-(Throw), qcb A, [DC] hcf B, Ex qcb P, hcf B, df B~B, Ex DM

Double Ex fun

-df.D, d x2+P.P, hcf+BD, qcb+AC, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df.B, hcf B, df.BD, hcf B, df.B x2~B, s.C (~606dmg, 16 hits, 3 stock 1 drive)

Special notes about this combo :1) The more Quickie Punches you do (1, 2 or 3 sets) the less damage it deals due to damage scaling.  

• 1 set of QP does 18 hits 597dmg  
• 2 sets of QP does 20 hits 575dmg
• 3 sets of QP does 22 hits 550dmg.  

Hence, do 1 set to prevent damage scaling especially if you wanna add a Ex Dm (The Japanese BBS alway said that about the Quickie Punches in general, to only do 1 set, and now I know why).  

2) You would think that by doing more Quickie Punches, you at least build more meter; not the case, I don't know why but it's exactly the same whether you do 1 set of QP or 3 sets which leads me to...

3) This combo charges exactly 1 full bar so although you're using 3 stocks and 1 drive, it's really just 2 stocks plus 1 drive (real cool).

4) If you omit the Ex qcb+AC it'll be 17hits for 529dmg.

-df.D, QP, Ex hcf K, hcf B, qcb C, [DC] hcf D, df.B, hcf B, df.B x3, Ex qcf x2+AC DM (28 hits, 3 stocks 1 drive, 615dmg)

• Slightly more damage than the combo listed above, both are 3 stocks 1 drive.  The key to discern which to use is how many stocks you are begin with.  
• If you have 3 stocks 1 drive to begin with, go for this one.  
• If you only have 2 stocks 1 drive then do the 597 one and you should be able to build a full stock to add the df.BD in the end.

Hyperdrive

-Chin's overhead cannot active [HD] because the command normal is in the air

• Remember in XIII, if you press the BC activation slightly delayed (as the hit is about to retract) then it'll perform a s.C, otherwise if you press BC early (as-soon-as-possible all the way till the hit first hit connects), it'll do an auto-dash which you can cancel yourself into a s.C

Starters

-s.C/far C, (s.C/far D,) HD, s.C/far C, s.C/far C/far D-->

• Once again, to do a far C after the s.C use his stance cancel shortcut: s.C, d x2+BD~C

-d.B, d.A / s.A, (slight delay) BC--> will perform d.B, d.A / s.A, (HD) s.C-->

-You can also tack on a strong normal, s.C/far C/far D after the Quickie Punches (d x2+K~C/d x2+BD~C/d x2+K~D)

-df D, Quickie Punches, Ex Quickie Punches, s.C, HD, s.C-->

-df D, Quickie Punches, s.C x2, HD, s.C-->

-You can do s.C, qcb+BC and it'll do his qcb C+HD.  

-NEW! Seemingly, Chin's strongest HD combo variation yet: (Full credit goes to No.17's friend Kantoku, translations done by No.17)

-s.C, HD, s.C, (qcb+A, [HC] hcf+D)x2, df.B, qcb+C [HC] hcf+D, qcb+A,[HC] hcf+D, df.B, hcf+B ~

• 0 stock finish - qcb C, [HC] hcf+D, df.B, hcf+B, df.B~B, s.C 700dmg
• 1 stock finish - qcb C, [HC] hcf+D, df.B, hcf+B, df.Bx2, qcfx2+P DM 762dmg
• 2 stocks finish - df B, qcb A, [HC] qcf x2+BD NM, hcf B, df B x2~B, s.C 875dmg
• 3 stock finish - df B, qcb A, [HC] qcf x2+BD NM, hcf B, df B~(slight delay) B, qcf x2+P DM 931dmg

The beauty of this HD combo it's a full screen wall-to-wall carry so it's worth your time learning it. With Chin's stocks being so useful, it is probably not worth doing the 1 stock finish unless it kills the opponent.

• Fun fact: If you take the aforementioned 3 stock combo and start it with a s.C, far D, HD, s.C, far D...it's 1001dmg

3 stock+HD+drink 100%

-j.D, s.C, qcb~hcf+BC, (qcb A, [HC] hcf D) x2, (df.B, qcb C, [HC] hcf D) x3, df.B x3, qcf x2+AC DM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPrA1SboKgk)

3 stock+HD NO drinking 100%

-(mid screen) j.C, s.C, far D, HD, s.C, far D, Ex hcf K, hcf B (qcb C, [HC] hcf D, df B, hcf B) x3, qcb A, [HC] NM, hcf B, df B~B, s.C for 51hits 1005dmg

-j.C, s.C, far D, HD, s.C, far D, (qcb+A, [HC] hcf+D)x2, df.B, qcb+C [HC] hcf+D, qcb+A,[HC] hcf+D, df.B, hcf+B, df B, qcb A, [HC] qcf x2+BD NM, hcf B, df Bx3, qcf x2+P DM 1016dmg

Double Ex HD

-s.C, HD, s.C, Ex hcf K, Ex qcb P, (hcf B, qcb C, [HC] hcf D, df.B) x4, hcf B, df.B~B, s.C (,hcf~b+P / rdp+P drink optional) 825dmg

-d.B, d.A, BC, s.C, Ex hcf K, hcf B, (qcb+C, [HC] hcf D, df.B, hcf.B) x4, df.B x2, Ex DM 40hits for 892dmg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTHkYCJBFA#t=0m16

Strategies

Let's start with far range.  There's not much you can do here except prepare to hcf+K any whiffed moves.  The D version goes about 60% of the screen IIRC, and of course if they have mid fireballs which roughly 1/3 of the cast do, remind them not to mess around with you.  If they have a ground fireball like Terry and Kyo, only his Ex version will be suffice but there are still ways around it (note, Ryo, Robert and Takuma's HSKK projectile is still consider a mid fireball despite the size).  You can either qcb B the fireball and cancel into hcf D, or cancel into drink if they're not approaching, go into the kick stance and tap forward and you carefully hop over the fireball if you time it correctly. In the meantime, while near full screen away, steal drinks when you can.  After one or two drinks usually, the opponent will approach you to prevent you from drinking.  

Another useful tool from fireball happy opponents is to use his qcb+B counter to prevent any block damage (Chin triggers his counter but neither party takes damage and the projectile passes through him).  Eventually opponents wise up and will try to punish you if you go for the counter.  Against characters like Robert or Andy, use his punch stance (d x2+P) to crouch under the projectile, if they use any attack afterwards like Zaneiken or Robert's Flying Kick HSPK, cancel his stance into his qcb+B counter--punish them at will.  

Often times you can bait them to throw a mid fireball without them really thinking.  e.g.  Try hcf+D (blocked), qcb+B...  Chin will proceed to walk backwards.  You'll be surprised how many people try to punish you which is when you remind them about your hcf+K or qcb+B (again).

Mid range - Now we enter more of Chin's comfort zone.  df.B covers good horizontal distance but make sure you don't land a blocked df.B real deep because it can be punished.  Of course if used preemptively, it's a good anti-air and another good anti-air is his vertical j.CD.  Play around with his Far C into df+B and you'd be surprised how effective it is against hops.  Against jump-ins use his qcb+B counter.  On the offense use Far C into df.D, good reach and deceptive.  Sometimes, it's even good to use hcf+K to escape underneath your opponent as they jump towards you.   Be prepared to punish with hcf+K or the Ex version.

Close range - Chin's sweet spot.  Here's when the mix up games begin.  Crossup C and jump B mixups, d.Bs with overheads loops mixups can seriously drive your opponent mad.  When they are tired of your barrage of attacks, let loose a well timed Ex counter and let them think again about attacking.  Don't forget Chin's d x2+P now has a foward+C followup which is a normal C throw. Using his d x2 punch stance is a great anti air.

• Since, Chin will not correct his direction for the follow up throw if the opponent is behind you (he'll whiff the throw grabbing forward even if you hold back+C), you can do the overhead db.D if they are behind you. Alternatively, cancel his punch stance into any of his specials like df B, qcb C (seems to have a decent amount of invincibilty), qcb B all the opposite direction of course.

So you start with a Crossup C, they block it, you can either go for a d.B into overhead, or s.C into overhead, both are relatively safe but they can still throw you if they're paying attention.  If your d.B connects you can go for s.A x1~2 into qcb+A... or just go for another overhead.  If they block your d.B, d.A/s.A, you can do the overhead feint (df.D and hold the D) into d.B combos.

If they start blocking high too much, sweep them with a down D and start the crossup/overhead/d.B/counter mix ups again.  Don't forget, holding df.D or pressing D again does Chin's overhead fake so you can do d.B combos or just throw them.

Sometimes when they wake up it's good to go for his punch stance and either Quickie Punch them/ throw them/ or cancel into his counter.  Don't forget both of his stances cancel into any special.

Let's say they block your overhead, tack on at least one set of Quickie Punches (coming from an overhead, you just tap C but mash d x2 and P after the first set if you wish to continue).  If they block your quickie punch you can go for another overhead (!) or cancel into his kick stance (d x2+K) and jump over them and start attacking once more.

A more advance block string is j.C, s.C, kick stance, cancel into crossup C.  

• To perform the s.C --> kick stance simply hold down in the air (when pressing j.C), neutral standing C, down+K immediately.  Press D again in the kick stance to perform a far D for a 3 hit combo.  

To add to the challenge, activate HD on his far D and use the autodash feature (after pressing BC on any normal or command attack your character will run forward briefly.  When you press s.C or s.D it'll cancel his dash so you can carry on your HD combo) and start your favorite HD combo with s.C.

Coming from a Chin user, Chin is real annoying to fight against once you really understand how many different options you have at your disposal.  After some reflection, what's annoying about Chin isn't necessary his damage (which is pretty high relatively speaking) but simply coz of the sheer amount of time he keeps you juggled is where most opponents get frustrated (it's ok, I get a dose of my own medicine playing against Lizzies) and lose their composure.  You factor in his different options to administer this torture, and you're grinning from ear to ear.

Guidelines and Tips

I've spent most of the time talking about block strings and mind-game mix ups since you can read the combo section about what to do if it connects. Basically...

-Try to drink whenever you can but remember you are pretty vulnerable during the drink so do it after j.CDs and qcb+As.

-As long as I have one drink, I'll try to finish the df.B combos with his qcb~hcf+A.  

-If I have only one power stock, I'll save it for his Ex df.K combos, or his Ex counter (his qcfx2+P DM is pretty much not worth using, and will not connect after his df.B anymore (unlike XII). I'll even go for an Ex hcf K starter (which can only be started from a strong hit or QP) into hcf B -->

-Make sure you have 1 drive gauge otherwise it severely limits his options (s.C, df.B, qcb+A, [DC], hcf+K...) hence Chin as a 2nd or 3rd character is almost always a better choice than being first.

-If you find yourself without drive or gauge: s.C, df.B, qcb+A, rdp+P x1~2 (after knocking away the opponent sneak some drinks in)

• If you find yourself without drive or gauge starting a light string, it's better to do d.B, s.A x1~2, qcb A, (then drink) than to do d.B, s.A, df.B, qcb A. Just remember not to finish with qcb A if the first 3 light hits are blocked. It's safer if blocked (df.B is not safe if blocked unless at maxed distance).

-If you lack a drive cancel but have stocks, go for Quickie Punch into qcb~hcf+C (wires opponent), then perform the light version qcb~hcf+A (but remember to do it the opposite direction due to the wire).  If you don't have another stock do qcb+A then steal a drink after.

-Anytime you connect with qcb~hcf+A, drink away safely (even in the corner).  

-Don't under estimate 5 drinks = 150% damage.  A normal 40-60% combo is now 60-80% best illustrated here: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mplBTuiJOc8#t=0m22s)

-Under too much pressure and have 3 stocks?  Ex counter, hcf+B, df.B, Ex qcf x2+AC.

-Personally, I don't use NeoMax too much but that can change in the future.

-If I have more than 3 stocks I'll either save it for combos or if I'm playing someone I better finish off, extend your df.BD, hcf B loops.  e.g. df.B, qcb A, [DC], hcf+B, (df.BD, hcf+K)x 1~3, df.B x2, Ex qcf x2+AC.

-Full drive gauge and if the opportunity arises, go for his HD which is good considering he does 60%+ damage with no stock.

-Quickie Punches only combos off strong attacks or 1 light hit; exception is d.A / s.A, d.B, QP because the d.B moves him slightly forward.

-Due to damage scaling, do as few QP as possible before continuing your combo.

-Only do 3 sets of QP if you don't have any stocks and want to build meter.

-The timing for Ex hcf+K after the QP is real tight, basically as fast as you can. When you do the first hit of the QP start inputing the motion.

-Due to the quick nature, it's sometimes advisable to do two sets of QP before doing Ex hcf K. s.A, d.B, QP x2, Ex hcf K would be a good example of adding the extra QP to time the Ex hcf K.

• The trick for s.A, d.B, QP is: s.A, d.B, release to neutral then hold down and press Px2 immediately.

Character Matchups

Andy Bogard

Ash Crimson

Athena Asamiya

Benimaru Nikaido

Billy Kane

Chin Gentsai

Clark Still

Duo Lon

Elisabeth Branctorche

Goro Daimon

Hwa Jai

Iori Yagami (Claw)

Iori Yagami (Flame)

Joe Higashi

K'

Kim Kaphwan

King

Kula Diamond

Kyo Kusanagi (XIII) (mirror match)

Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)

Leona Heidern

Mai Shiranui

Mature

Maxima

Raiden

Ralf Jones

Robert Garcia

Ryo Sakazaki

Saiki

Shen Woo

Sie Kensou

Takuma Sakazaki

Mr. Karate

Terry Bogard

'Vice

Yuri Sakazaki

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