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Hibiki in general is the type of character who uses her long reaching normals to control space, if you've played Samurai Shodown she is basically a female Ukyo Tachibana, and her B buttons are also great in this game. No matter the mode you choose. She's very strong in both Power and Speed/EX modes, Power being more focused on space control, neutral and punishes, while Speed is more focused on rushdown and pressure.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Hibiki punches you and gets a free combo because of the outstanding framedata
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Hibiki slashes in a circular motion, probably her best move.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Hibiki hits you with the end of her scabbard, knocks down.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Hibiki slashes upwards, overhead. Can combo after it.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Hibiki slashes downwards. Hits OTG, Do it with df+BCD so you don't have to dash before it.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
DamageHow much damage the move does on hit/block. Characters in TLB2 have 256 health, but different defense modifiers.
StartupNumber of frames for the move to become active, first active frame included.
ActiveNumber of frames the move remains active for, and can hit the opponent on.
RecoveryNumber of frames after the active frames for the move to end and the character to become actionable, unless canceled from.
StateState your opponent must be in for the move to come out. Some moves can only be done when the opponent is on the ground, for example. Most moves can be done in any state.
Frame AdvHow much sooner or later you can act on hit/block when compared to your opponent, assuming the move is not canceled. +2 means you can act 2 frames before your opponent, -2 means your opponent can act 2 frames before you
MeterHow much meter the move builds on hit/block. A full bar of meter is 64 points.
GuardWhether the move can be blocked standing, crouching, or both. L means it has to be blocked crouching, H means standing, M means it can be blocked either way. Some moves cannot be blocked.
CancelWhether the move can be canceled on hit/block. ○ means it can be canceled and × means it cannot. △ means it has a special type of cancel, usually Desperation Move.
TechWhether you can tech the move. Air techs are performed by pressing D in the air, ground techs are rolls performed during otg recovery.
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Description.
Special Moves
Distance Slash - qcf + A/B
A version is a quick mid foward slash
B version is a quick low/sweeping forward slash
Recovery for the B version is bigger
Beckoning Slash - dp + B
Forward dash to opponent
Can hold B
If not near opponent when release B, it will hit like Distance Slash
If near opponent when release B, will slash through opponent and he will kneel and fall to the ground. You can df+B after it
Piercing Moon Pounce - dp + C
Slow but unblockable movement of her raising her scabbard and hitting the opponents mid section with it
Can hold C
Heavenly Being Blade - hcf + C
Counter motion
Follow up with Nukaba Kiru Nari (C) to slash airborne opponent
Follow up with Nukazuba Kiranu Nari (BC) to hit opponet with scabbard
Kami Hitoe ni te Kawasu Nari - AB
Quick evasion move
Follow up with Ma O Tsumeru Koto Kanyou Nari (f + C) to dash forward
When dashing forward, Hibiki's hitbox is reduced so high attacks won't hit her
Ma O Tsumeru Koto Kanyou Nari can be cancelled
Follow up with Ma O Oku Koto Kanyou Nari to hop backwards
When hopping backwards, Hibiki's hitbox is reduced so low attacks won't hit her
Sanae O Okotaranu Kokoro Nari - Hold Start
Hibiki holds her sword close as it glows, asking her father for help.
Meter is charged slowly in this motion.
Desperation Moves
Heavenly Spirit of Victory - qcb,db,f + AB
Hibiki dashes forward to slash through opponet.
Travels a great distance, hits from 3/4 screen.
Confirms from any normal on hit except the ones which aren't cancellable.
Super Desperation Move
No Fear Feint - f, hcf + B
Slashes upards
If connects near opponent, makes a flash of light and deals %50+ damage
If opponent is a distance away, will strike upwards with less damage
Combos
Hibiki is a very fun character, during matches you won't be doing much more than your BnBs, but it's possible to make her a powerhouse. One of her best characteristics, is that both her Power and Speed damage outputs are similar, so you can freely choose the one who best suits our playstyle.
NOTE: Before every combo, except dp+C and dash+A/B starters, you can add use a jX starter.
Any Mode
dp+C qcf+A/B
Only works near corner. qcf+A version must be exactly in the corner.
Dash+A/B qcb+db+f+AB
(jX) B qcb+db+f+AB
Your easiest confirms into DM, you'll probably use this a lot.
(jX) B dp+B qcf+A/B
Doesn't work at certain ranges. qcf+A only works in the corner, qcf+B only near corner and other specific situations
(jX) B dp+B qcb+db+f+AB
Your most optimal DM confirm for power mode, it's basically the same for speed/EX.
Dash A/B f+hcf+B
jB f+hcf+B
Power Mode
f+C dp+C df+B
Only works near corner and on the corner
f+C qcb+db+f+AB
f+C dp+B
f+C B dp+B db+B
Speed and EX Mode
Bread and Butter combos
(jX) A B C dash df+B
This is a simple combo every character can do, use if you're a beginner. Get used to the timing of the dash, it's going to be very useful.
Dash+A/B d+B BC qcf+A/B
This combo is situational, if dash+A/B hits from max distance, d+B won't hit neither BC. Only qcf+A/B (A has easier timing and deals more damage)
(jX) b+A A A/d+A B BC qcf+A/B
Easiest BnB she has in these modes
(jX) b+A A A/d+A d+B BC qcf+A/B
Optimized version of the above combo, timing is slightly harder
(jX) b+A A A/d+A d+B/B qcb+db+f+AB
Same as the above, but for super. d+B deals more damage but it's slightly harder to confirm.
(jX) b+A A d+A d+B dp+B qcb+db+f+AB
(jX) b+A A d+A d+B f+hcf+B
Both are super confirms, the first for your DM and the second for your SDM
Super Speed Combos
A + B + C + A + B + C + A + B + qcf+C
A + B + C + A + B + C + C + B + A + qcf+A
A + B + C + d+C + A + d+C + f+BC
A + B + C + d+C + A + f+BC + A + qcf+B
Strategy
Hibiki's best way of dealing damage is by zoning out her opponents, but in Speed and EX modes she works aggressively as well. If you're going to play with her in power, learn how to use your B normals, especially f+B and B. And your A normals, for pokes and confirms. B is going to be your best friend, it's a 3f anti-air (Takes 9f to get to the ground) and cancels into everything, it's simply good. Your bnb in power are going to be these two:
(jX) B qcf+A/B
(jX) b+A b+A A qcf+A/B
The difference from one another is that the second option deals a little more damage. The optimized version is, however
(jX) B dp+B (changes sides) dash df+B
If you're going to play in speed, they won't be as necessary as your main focus of damage will be your combos with A starters, for example,
b+A AA/{A d+A} B qcf+A/B
b+A AA/{A d+A} d+B BC qcf+A/B
