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'''Bakuten = (C,A,B,C)''' 2 stocks - Causes Shen Woo to explode and glow yellow like SSJ. The explosion itself does about 312 dmg which includes his | '''Bakuten = (C,A,B,C)''' 2 stocks - Causes Shen Woo to explode and glow yellow like SSJ. The explosion itself does about 312 dmg which includes his increased attacked damage of 30% while in this mode and he also ''increases'' his defense by 17%. '''Note''': In the Bakuten mode you do not build drive or stocks for yourself. | ||
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Revision as of 05:51, 16 July 2012
Gameplay Overview
(coming soon)
Gameplay Notes
Pros
- High damage output
- High comeback probability factor, one of the best anchor in the game
- Can spend little meter towards a high damage combo
- Solid ground and jumping normals
- Can deal with projectiles fairly well (negate them, EX move and DM's can go through them)
- Easy combo execution
Cons
- Can't confirm many combos from a low attack (only HD combos, d.b > d.a > hcb~f +P, etc.)
- Has trouble anti-airing angled jump-ins outside of the front of his head (CABC is an option but takes 2 stocks)
- Has trouble punishing some characters moves, a lot of moves have slow start-up
- Weak against grappler characters
- Lacks a good crossup
Normals
Standing
s.A: 25 damage, cancelable & chainable, hits mid. A very quick, nice ranged jab. Good for stopping hops. Whiffs on crouching opponents, so be careful using it up close. 3+ frames on block.
s.B: 30 damage, hits mid. A boot aimed at the lower mid-section. It is not cancellable out of anything, but you can chain it from other light normals. A good poke at close range, and you will be confirming this kick into HD activation sometimes. -1 frame on block.
far C: 80 damage, super cancelable, hits mid. This is another good punch that you will be using to stop incoming hops. It even has autoguard which will catch some hop attacks at the right time. The range is fairly long too. You will be using this poke pretty often at range -7 frames on block but you will be out of their range before most characters can do anything.
s.D: 70 damage, hits mid. A sort of a round kick that's aimed at the midsection. Unfortunately it isn't cancellable into anything, so it can be sort of a risk to poke with this attack. The range is fairly long so you can end some juggles with this. -9 frames on block.
s.C: 70 damage, cancelable, hits mid. This gut punch is one of the few starters to many of his combos. It's quick, safe on block (-1 frame), but you will need to learn how to properly hit confirm this or else you will missing out on good potential damage from a phat combo.
far D: 80 damage, cancelable, hits mid. Sort of a high knee aimed at the chin. It would be best to use s.C over this kick because s.C is much faster (by a frame though) and is safer on block. But if you are personally more used to using this attack than s.C for combos, it won't get you killed. -12 frames on block.
Crouching
d.A: 25 damage, cancel-able & chain-able, hits mid. Less range than his standing A, but it's still a good crouching poke that hits mid. You will probably be using this upclose (because of its distance) and for some of his crouching combos (which there are very, very few). +2 frames on block.
d.B: 30 damage, chain-able, hits low. This fast crouching kick is only chainable into other normals, but it has good range for maintaining space at very close range, and a starter to limited crouching hit confirming combos. It's a pretty good poke over all, and should be used as much as possible even though it doesn't setup anything threatening if Shen has no meter.
d.C 70 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. You can use this as an anti-air against those trying to jumpin at you in a very steep angle, but if you whiff it, you may be in trouble. It has a very skinny horizontal, so anything past his arm may cause this uppercut to miss. On close contact it's startup is faster than his cr.B, but is -13 on block if its whiffed. You can make it a bit safer on block by canceling it into his qcf+C feint.
d.D 80 damage, cancel-able, hits low. Shen slides his foot across the floor in front of him to sweep the opponent. -8 on block but if you use his feint after it can turn into a very decent poke. You can also cancel it on block (and if its whiffs) into his qcb+A overhead or something else if you don't want to deal with its recovery frames.
Jumping
j. A: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead. A jumping punch that's pointed down at around a 60 to 70 degree. If you are sloppy with your jumps and hops, it might miss on during some characters cr.B's.
j. B: 45 (40) damage, hits overhead. This kick points upward around a 50 to 60 degree angle. Probably good for going ground-to-air but it might get beaten out by others jump attacks.
j. C: 72 (70) damage, hits overhead. This punch has a much more steeper angle pointed downward than the j. A. Use this for jumping in rather than the j. A. It's hitbox is fairly large too, and it hits down deep.
j. D: 70 (68) damage, hits overhead. A pretty cool long ranged kick that has 60 degree angle with a decent sized hitbox too. Use this for zoning in mid range against characters trying to hop in at you from a distance, and for jumpins too.
Blowback Attack
CD: 75 damage, whiff and hit cancel-able, hits mid. Fast shoulder shove that can even be used to stop incoming hops because of its fat sized and great horizonal ranged hitbox. You use the startup animation to kara cancel some moves like his hcb~f+P, or his qcf+A for example. If its blocked, you can qcf+C feint afterwards to give him some advantage and continue pressure.
j. CD: 90 (80), hits mid. A really, really nice jump CD that has a good size hitbox which can beat a lot of jumpins air-to-air if the opponents jump attack doesn't have a good horizontal hitbox. Be careful jumping in with this, it might whiff against crouching opponents who can punish you with a
GCCD: 10 damage, hits mid. Guard Cancel Blowback Attack. It looks like his st.CD but has more negative frames on block, so try not to use this against jump attacks, they may be safejumping against you.
Throw
Kokakugeki = (b/f+C/D) close 33+33+40 damage, can be broken. Shen headbutts the opponent 3 times making them fall face down. You can choose to fake them out with a sweep free-canceled into his qcb+A overhead, roll over their fallen body to create an ambiguous roll okizeme setup (hold forward to wake up on the other side, or stay neutral to wake up in front of them) or hit them with a meaty jump-in, empty jump into a low or bait a reversal, etc.
Command Moves
Fusenkyaku = (f+B) 65 damage, cancel-able, hits mid. His forward kick to the gut from the previous version. It has good reach, cancelable by itself, best move to activate HD with and perfect to be used in most of is combos.
Special Moves
Geki-Ken = (qcf+A/C) - Swinging punch that lunges forward. It has good startup and recovery for his A version. A version is the most abusable move in his repertoire. It's safe when blocked and is perfect to stop hopping opponents. It is a little difficult to use the C version sometimes because it cannot be comboed into, so its best to use it partially charged to catch opponents on the defense off-guard. Ex qcf+P travels farther, starts up quicker, and goes through projectiles but it is not safe on block.
(EX) = qcf+AC
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: Mid
- Damage: 65/60/100
Gekiken (Charged) = (qcf+C) hold for 2 seconds - Fully charged C version mimicks his DM with a DM flash and does 20% damage if it connects. It has a deceivingly good vertical hitbox and crumples opponent upon connection. Guarding a fully charged punch leads to only taking away 50% on majority of the cast, while taking 40% on characters like Ralf, Clark, Daimon, etc.
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: Mid
- Damage: 60/85/200
Gekiken Feint = During Gekiken (Charge) press K
This feint can be used for three purposes. First purpose is against a defending opponent to constantly give them the possibility that a normal or even partially charged qcf+C may be released at anytime. During the feint you can also AB roll which can save you against something harmful coming at you at the last moment you decide to feint. The second purpose is building meter. Doing the qcf+C by itself gives you meter, but when you feint you gain the same amount without having to openly whiff the punch. The third and last purpose is to cancel some of Shen's normals on block to give them less recovery and more frame advantage; making them a bit more safer. The only normal you cannot cancel into the feint is standing and crouching B. This can be very useful for Shen's offense, granting him a bit more movement and pressure against a blocking opponent.
A video example of TC Chris KOF's Shen using feints for offensive pressure
Fuku Tora Geki = (qcb+A) - Two-parter starting with his double hand overhead then swinging back upwards launches the opponent for a low juggle (can be Super Canceled (SC'd) into his qcf x2 + A/C DM). It retains its overhead properties despite being in a block string; however, it is not safe when blocked if your opponent has a fast countering move. Unlike XII, he can cancel his qcb + A off of his command attack f + B. Extremely useful in his mix-ups and most damaging special to SC off of. EX version juggles opponents higher (high enough to connect his qcf x2 + A/C DM).
(EX) = qcb+AC
- Hit Detection: Overhead
- Damage: 60/70
∟ Kanyuu Ryugeki = (qcf+A) - Second part of the Fuku Tora Geki. This move is not safe if blocked.
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: Mid
- Damage: 50/76
Tenrenken = (qcf+K) - Lunges forward with a sliding grounded uppercut. Not as useful for anti-air as XII as he slides forward even with the B version. Only useful for anticipated hops and maybe some jumps. D version combos off his BnB s.C, f.B chain, and is also safe on block. Ex version is much more useful, does an added hit and allows for juggles but is not the anti-air move that you would expect. Follow up with a qcf + D for juggles (otherwise opponent is too high and falls down vertically).
(EX) = qcf+BD
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 50/70/50+55
Tamaken = (hcb~f+P) - Command throw which combos off his f.B chain and even his light attacks if he's close enough. Without any drive canceling or super canceling, this is his strongest comboable special (even slightly stronger than Shen Woo Hammer). Can be kara-canceled from his stand CD for more range. Ex version crumples the opponent and allows for jugglable followups like DM, qcb+A, or qcf+BD.
(EX) = hcb~f+AC
- Drive/Super Cancelable
- Hit Detection: Close
- Damage: 120
Tamaken Deflect = (qcb+C) - Reflects incoming projectile. You can cancel the ending frames into any move however the most practical one is C Shen Woo Punch Lite and cancel if needed.
Desperation Moves
Tatsu!! Gekiken! = (qcfx2+P) - Buffed up version of his of Shen Woo Punch Lite. It does good damage and is invincible after startup. Ex version is much faster. You can try to use this as a last ditch anti-air attack against full or half screen jumps, but there is an extremely high chance that the opponent may safejump it, if you perform it too early or too late. If you whiff this DM or if its blocked, Shen is completely open for punishment.
(EX) = qcfx2+AC
- Max Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 220/320
Bakuten = (C,A,B,C) 2 stocks - Causes Shen Woo to explode and glow yellow like SSJ. The explosion itself does about 312 dmg which includes his increased attacked damage of 30% while in this mode and he also increases his defense by 17%. Note: In the Bakuten mode you do not build drive or stocks for yourself.
- Max Cancelable
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 240
Neomax
Tensho Bakushingeki = (qcf~hcb+AC) - Fast chase down punisher. Shen glides across the screen and activates an upwards punch sending a blast upwards.
- Hit Detection: High
- Damage: 200+250
Combos
Assuming you start each combo with j.C/D, s.C, f.B, here's a guide to use which combo to use under which circumstance:
No stock or Drive guage -
~qcb A.qcf A (285dmg)
~hcb~f+P (298dmg)
corner qcf D, st. C or D (~309dmg)
1 stock, no Drive guage -
~qcf x2 +P (~329dmg)
~Ex qcf K, sj.CD (~351dmg)
~Ex qcb P.qcf A, sj.CD (~384dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, far D (~390dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A (~410dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, hyperhop C (~430dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, far D (~439dmg)
1 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
~qcb A.qcf A [DC] qcf D, qcf x2 +A = (493 dmg)
~hcb~f+P, (corner) [DC] qcf D, qcf x2 +P = (517 dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, (corner) d.C (522dmg)
2 stock, 0 Drive gauge
~Ex hcb~f+P, qcf x 2 +P (~472dmg)
~Ex qcb P.qcf A, qcf x 2 +P (~482dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcf D, qcf x 2 +P = (528 dmg)
2 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
~qcb A.qcf A [DC] qcf A, CABC (551 dmg)
~Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, qcf x2 +P DM (599dmg)
corner qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf B, CABC (574dmg)
~Ex hcb~f+AC, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, qcf x2 +P DM (606dmg)
3 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
~Ex qcf K, qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [DC] qcf D, qcf A, Ex qcfx2 + P DM (647dmg)
Naturally, should use HyperDrive if you have two Drive gauges, so the rest are non-Drive gauge combos:
2 stocks -
Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf x2+P DM (~528dmg)
3 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf x2+P DM (~603dmg)
corner Ex qcb A.qcf A, qcf D, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~606dmg)
4 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, Ex qcf x2+P DM (~663dmg)
corner Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D x2, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~671dmg)
5 stocks -
Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D, Ex qcf P, Ex qcf x2+P DM (~682dmg)
corner Ex hcb~f+P, Ex qcf K, qcf D Ex qcf P, qcf B, C.A.B.C (~692dmg)
HyperDrive
There are so many variations to his HyperDrive combos (HD) so it's really about picking your own poison. Fortunately, all his (Ex) DMs juggles so SCing/MCing isn't a problem.
If you don't like the fancy stuff then do the 5 stock:
(1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBA-z3zY1qQ) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD s.C, f.B, C.A.B.C, MC qcf~hcb+AC is already ~977dmg (if you add a qcf+A [HDC]... before the CABC the damage is 983)
If you like to conserve stocks:
(2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U#t=0m24) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, qcf D, qcf B, Bakuten (C.A.B.C) (2 stocks, 831dmg)
(2c) NEW! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc#t=4m50) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A(whiff).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC (2 stocks, 813 dmg)
(3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTE1nyR0IF8) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, Ex hcb~f+P, qcb A.qcf A, [i] delay[/i] [HDC] qcf+D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf C, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC[/url] (3 stocks, HD, 870dmg)
(4) Made popular by Haregoro's white Shen from the KCE vids: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl86pDdUGlE) s.C/d.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, ([HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, qcf A) x3, CABC. (2 stocks 818dmg / 822dmg if you do Ex qcf x2+AC instead)
4 stocks 100%:
(5) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, ([HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C [charge half a sec]) x3, qcf D, CABC, Ex qcf x2+P DM
(2b) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U#t=0m36) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] D, CABC, Ex qcf x2 +AC
100% combos 5 stocks
(5b) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C [charge half a sec], [HDC] qcf D, CABC, Ex qcf x2+P DM
(5c) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4Ycz5RsPA#t=0m09) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcf A, [HDC] qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, CABC, MC NM.
Special
(6) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMFqrGXypI) 4leaf's Shen 4 hit 100% combo. (Corner and in HD) qcf C (fully charged), CABC, [MC] NM
Fullscreen wall carries
(7a) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc#t=4m50) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A (whiffs).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C (charge slightly), [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf B, CABC (2 stocks 813dmg)
(7b) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThw1ultk_U)j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, [HDC] qcb A (whiffs).qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, CABC (2 stocks 779dmg) .
KOF XIII - No. 17's Shen 1 stock 799dmg HD combo
(8) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQgoRtTYlA) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, [HDC] qcf C, [HDC] qcf D, qcb A.qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf A, [HDC] qcf D, qcf D, qcf x2+P DM
Strategies
Far Range
Mid Range
Close Range
Cornered Opponent
Cornered
With No Meter/No Drive
With 1+ Meter/No Drive
With No Meter/50%-100% Drive
With 1+ Meter/50%-100% Drive
Best Team Position?
Character Matchups
Andy Bogard
Ash Crimson
Athena Asamiya
Benimaru Nikaido
Billy Kane
Chin Gentsai
Clark Still
Duo Lon
Elisabeth Branctorche
Goro Daimon
Hwa Jai
Iori Yagami (Claw)
Iori Yagami (Flame)
Joe Higashi
K'
Kim Kaphwan
King
Kula Diamond
Kyo Kusanagi (XIII)
Kyo Kusanagi (NESTS)
- Shen can't punish his qcf+A alone, but any of this other rekka follow ups can be punished with his supers. He has difficulty punishing them to hit confirm into a combo, but a lot of his far normals (and crouching B) may hit if time correctly. Kyo's qcf+A, qcf+A rekka string can be punished by quickly dashing in with d.C or s.C into f+B
- His qcf+C is rather safe too, but not against Shen's qcfx2+AC, hcb~f+AC, or his crouching B. His hcb+C follow-up rekka is hard to punish too, but his qcfx2+P and his Neomax can punish it.
Leona Heidern
Mai Shiranui
Mature
Maxima
Raiden
Ralf Jones
Robert Garcia
Ryo Sakazaki
Saiki
Shen Woo
Sie Kensou
Takuma Sakazaki
Mr. Karate
Terry Bogard
'Vice
Yuri Sakazaki
Move Metadata
Move | Damage | Stun | Startup | On Guard | Remarks |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
s.A | 25 | 3 | 4 | +3 | |
d.A | 25 | 3 | 5 | +2 | |
far A | 25 | 3 | 4 | +3 | |
j.A | 45 | 3 | 6 | - | |
h.A | 40 | 3 | 6 | - | |
s.B | 30 | 3 | 7 | -1 | |
d.B | 30 | 3 | 5 | +2 | |
far B | 30 | 3 | 7 | -1 | |
j.B | 45 | 3 | 5 | - | |
h.B | 40 | 3 | 5 | - | |
s.C | 70 | 7 | 5 | -1 | |
d.C | 70 | 7 | 4 | -13 | |
far C | 80 | 7 | 9 | -7 | Has autoguard |
j.C | 72 | 7 | 6 | - | |
h.C | 70 | 7 | 6 | - | |
s.D | 80 | 7 | 6 | -12 | |
d.D | 80 | 7 | 8 | -8 | |
far D | 80 | 7 | 11 | -9 | |
j.D | 70 | 7 | 8 | - | |
h.D | 68 | 7 | 8 | - | |
s.CD | 75 | 10 | 14 | -1 | |
j.CD | 90 | 8 | 12 | - | |
h.CD | 80 | 8 | 12 | - | |
f+B | 65 | 6 | 16 | -2 | |
Normal Throw | 100 | 0 | 1 | - | Hard knockdown |
GCCD | 4 | 0 | 13 | -15 | |
A Geki-ken | 65 | 8 | 15 | -3 | |
C Geki-Ken | 60 | 10 | 21 | -6 | |
C Geki-ken Charge 1 | 80 | 10 | - | -1 | Cancel animation 6, immediate cancel, entire animation 13 |
C Geki-ken Charge 2 | 85 | 14 | - | -3 | |
C Geki-ken Charge 3 | 200 | 20 | 78(58) | -8 | Freeze frames 20 |
Fukkogeki | 60 | 6 | 18 | -16 | |
Kanyuu Ryugeki | 50 | 4 | - | -17 | |
B Tenrenken | 50 | 8 | 14 | -7 | |
D Tenrenken | 70 | 6 | 17 | -2 | |
Tamaken | 120 | 0 | 5 | - | Whiff 38 |
Tamaken Deflect | 0 | 0 | - | - | Complete animation 36 |
EX Geki-ken | 100 | 0 | 16 | -8 | |
EX Fukkogeki | 70 | 0 | 18 | -20 | |
EX Kanyuu Ryugeki | 80 | 4 | - | -14 | |
EX Tenrenken(1) | 50 | 0 | 15 | - | |
EX Tenrenken(2) | 55 | 0 | - | -7 | |
EX Tamaken | 120 | 0 | 3 | - | Whiff 37 |
Zetsu Gekiken | 220 | 0 | 40(11) | -20 | Freeze 29 |
EX Zetsu Gekiken | 320 | 0 | 37(8) | -17 | Freeze 29 |
Bakushin | 240 | 0 | 62(3) | -28 | Freeze 59 |
Tenshou Bakushingeki (1) | 200 | 0 | 45(15) | - | Freeze 30 |
Tenshou Bakushingeki (2) | 250 | 0 | - | -30 |
Videos
KCE Shen Basic Introduction
Shen Master Class
Practical CMV vol 1 Shen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOMjgzq81RU
Discussion Threads
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