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==Gameplan== | ==Gameplan== | ||
Every combo Genjuro does must end in 646A to ensure his card setup remains supreme. If you do not then you forfeit all setplay he is capable of. His aggression and loops come from 646A being the move that it is. | Every combo Genjuro does must end in 646A to ensure his card setup remains supreme. If you do not then you forfeit all setplay he is capable of. His aggression and loops come from 646A being the incredible move that it is. | ||
Genjuro is typically played aggressively, finding opportunities to set up card bounces and rekka crossups in their face. However, he also has tools to play neutral reasonably well. His 5B has good priority, while his 2B is a low with the same range which can't be deflected. 5C has particularly long reach for punishes, can catch backdashes and has a kara cancel window at the start. All of these tools recoil cancel, which Genjuro has appropriate tools for - countering punish attempts with DP (623S) or a high-priority hitgrab (646S), going for a mixup (236S) or setting up card (214S) are all viable options. 623A may be used as an occasional poke for its high priority. Given the removal of universal overheads, Genjuro no longer has the option to hop over lows with one, so keep that in mind. | Genjuro is typically played aggressively, finding opportunities to set up card bounces and rekka crossups in their face. However, he also has tools to play neutral reasonably well. His 5B has good priority, while his 2B is a low with the same range which can't be deflected. 5C has particularly long reach for punishes, can catch backdashes and has a kara cancel window at the start. All of these tools recoil cancel, which Genjuro has appropriate tools for - countering punish attempts with DP (623S) or a high-priority hitgrab (646S), going for a mixup (236S) or setting up card (214S) are all viable options. 623A may be used as an occasional poke for its high priority. Given the removal of universal overheads, Genjuro no longer has the option to hop over lows with one, so keep that in mind. | ||
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! Attack !! Description | ! Attack !! Description | ||
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| '''66A''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66A.png|260px|frameless]] || Stubby elbow with bad frame data. Punishable on hit. | | '''66A''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66A.png|260px|frameless]] || Stubby elbow with bad frame data. Punishable on hit if not special canceled, but combos into 623A and A rekka. | ||
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| '''66B''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66B.png|260px|frameless]] || The first hit is a low slash, while the second hit knocks down. Often used in card setplay for its speed and the fact you want to get in anyway. | | '''66B''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66B.png|260px|frameless]] || The first hit is a low slash, while the second hit knocks down. Often used in card setplay for its speed and the fact you want to get in anyway. | ||
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| '''66D''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66D.png|260px|frameless]] || Running sweep, but it hits mid. Safe on block. | | '''66D''' <br>[[File:SSVI Genjuro 66D.png|260px|frameless]] || Running sweep, but it hits mid. Safe on block. | ||
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===Air Normals=== | ===Air Normals=== | ||
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|| Genjuro's DP. Strength determines how high it travels, also the horizontal distance to a much smaller extent than in V Special. All versions will hit a grounded opponent and have decent upper body invincibility. The light version is worth exploiting for its priority. Do not reversal with heavy, there is no difference in strength and if they block you're open to a much bigger punish | || Genjuro's DP. Strength determines how high it travels, also the horizontal distance to a much smaller extent than in V Special. All versions will hit a grounded opponent and have decent upper body invincibility. The light version is worth exploiting for its priority. Do not reversal with heavy, there is no difference in strength and if they block you're open to a much bigger punish | ||
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| '''Triple Death Hack''' - 236S, <br>can be repeated twice in either direction <br>(Samurai Drive) [[File:SSVI Genjuro 236S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Rekkas. Strength determines how far Genjuro travels before the hit, with the light version coming out immediately and the medium and heavy versions being able to crossover. The first and second hits will crossover, but the final hit will always be the same finisher but delayed depending on strength. Great for close range pressure. | | '''Triple Death Hack''' - 236S, <br>can be repeated twice in either direction <br>(Samurai Drive) [[File:SSVI Genjuro 236S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Rekkas. Strength determines how far Genjuro travels before the hit, with the light version coming out immediately and the medium and heavy versions being able to crossover. The first and second hits will crossover, but the final hit will always be the same finisher but delayed depending on strength. Great for close range pressure. Very risky to use in neutral, as opponents can simply jump out.<br> | ||
If you are running II or V Spirit you can duck the second hit after blocking the first to avoid it. This is particularly effective if they go for the medium version, as if they follow up with the light version they can delay the final hit to punish you. If they don't follow up with anything then you will get punished. You can also just abare out if you expect the crossup but this is even riskier.<br> | If you are running II or V Spirit you can duck the second hit after blocking the first to avoid it. This is particularly effective if they go for the medium version, as if they follow up with the light version they can delay the final hit to punish you. If they don't follow up with anything then you will get punished. You can also just abare out if you expect the crossup but this is even riskier.<br> | ||
Despite the changes made to the corner you are still unable to crossover a cornered opponent with any part of the rekka. | Despite the changes made to the corner you are still unable to crossover a cornered opponent with any part of the rekka. | ||
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| '''Cherry Blossom Slice''' - 214S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 214S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Genjuro's fireball. Strength determines startup and range. Advantageous enough on hit to follow up with a medium slash, 236A or something else quick, and pretty safe on block. Given the startup it's not something that will win you fireball wars. | | '''Cherry Blossom Slice''' - 214S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 214S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Genjuro's fireball. Strength determines startup and range. Advantageous enough on hit to follow up with a medium slash, 236A or something else quick, and pretty safe on block. Given the startup it's not something that will win you fireball wars. | ||
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| '''Cherry Blossom Slice Splash Raising''' <br>- hold down S, will activate if guarded [[File:SSVI Genjuro 214SS.png|260px|frameless]]|| If the opponent blocked the card and you were holding the button down the whole time, the card will bounce up then fall down for an overhead hit. Strength of the card beforehand also determines how far forward the bounced card will fly, in which 214A/B are useful for setplay but 214C will catch a backdash. You're better off catching backdashes with 5C while going for 214A/B, however. It is harder to set up card setplay in VI given wakeup rolls act more like quick rises, and furthermore there are two distances of back rolls to worry about.<br> | | '''Cherry Blossom Slice Splash Raising''' <br>- hold down S, will activate if guarded [[File:SSVI Genjuro 214SS.png|260px|frameless]]|| If the opponent blocked the card and you were holding the button down the whole time, the card will bounce up then fall down for an overhead hit. Strength of the card beforehand also determines how far forward the bounced card will fly, in which 214A/B are useful for setplay but 214C will catch a backdash. You're better off catching backdashes with 5C while going for 214A/B, however. It is harder to set up card setplay in VI given wakeup rolls act more like quick rises, and furthermore there are two distances of back rolls to worry about. | ||
<br/>Does not activate from later active frames of card. | |||
<br/>Hits the opponent during throws, enabling your offense and damage to rack up even faster. | |||
Hits the opponent during throws, enabling your offense and damage to rack up even faster. | <br/>Unblockables with card are possible, but can lead to [[Samurai_Shodown_VI/Mechanics#Simultaneous_Hit|unexpected interactions]] if the opponent blocks high and the two attacks hit on the same frame. Hard-to-blockable setups with slight timing differences are just as effective and avoid this edge case. | ||
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| '''Slash Of A Hundred Demons''' - 646S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 646S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Hitgrab with a disjointed hitbox, chip damage, and hard knockdown. Strength determines the startup, activity and how far Genjuro moves forward | | '''Slash Of A Hundred Demons''' - 646S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 646S.png|260px|frameless]]|| Hitgrab with a disjointed hitbox, chip damage, and hard knockdown. Strength determines the startup, activity and how far Genjuro moves forward. This beats armor, backdashes, and dodge. Genjuro can combo into 646A for hard knockdown into card oki. | ||
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| '''Rush Slash''' - 421S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 421S.png|260px|frameless]]|| | | '''Rush Slash''' - 421S [[File:SSVI Genjuro 421S.png|260px|frameless]]|| After a brief pause Genjuro runs, strikes the opponent's knees then launches them upward. This hits low and allows for juggle combos - you will always be able to land 646A and it should be your only combo ender, but in the corner you can juggle with your WFT. Strength determines how far Genjuro runs before the strike, with A version not running at all. The purpose of this move is to make Genjuro's near-unblockable card game more rewarding damage-wise, particularly in the corner. | ||
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| '''Toy Transformation''' - 6321464E (II) [[File:genjuro-6321464E.png]] || | | '''Toy Transformation''' - 6321464E (II) [[File:genjuro-6321464E.png]] || | ||
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==Combos== | ==Combos and Setups== | ||
[[File:Genjuro Corner Punish.webm|thumb|right|Corner Punish]] | [[File:Genjuro Corner Punish.webm|thumb|right|Corner Punish]] | ||
[[File:Genjuro Jump.webm|thumb|right|Neutral Jump Combo]] | [[File:Genjuro Jump.webm|thumb|right|Neutral Jump Combo]] | ||
'''Standard Combos''' | '''Standard Combos''' | ||
*'''n5B, 421A, 646A''' - | *'''2A/66A 623A/236A~236A~236A''' - Light confirms. DP is easier off 66A, but rekka is more rewarding. Heavier DP versions will combo and do damage in between 623A and rekka, but give worse oki. | ||
*'''n2C, | *'''ch 2A/66A 236AB''' - Lights can combo into WFT on counterhit. n5B also combos into WFT and doesn't require counterhit - just be mindful of spacing so WFT doesn't whiff. | ||
*'''njC, | *'''n5B/5D, 421A, 66C/646A''' - Your go-to combo. 646A does the most damage and causes hard knockdown, enforcing his card setplay, but won't connect from spaced hits midscreen. | ||
*'''n2C, n5B, 421A, 646A/236AB''' - Corner combo. Biggest punish he has and one of the few ways to guarantee super with him. Needs a microwalk into n5B if not point blank; against some characters this is always required. | |||
*'''njC, n5B xx 421A, 646A''' - Throw punish. n5B's fast startup makes this practical even without counter/crouching hit, and hard knockdown grants him even more card setplay. | |||
*'''214A/B, n5B 421A, 66C/646A''' - Card confirm into BNB. Squeezes out a bit more damage than n5B starters, so this is also a nice extension to counter/crouching hit jump-in combos. | |||
'''Continuous Slash (IV)''' | '''Continuous Slash (IV)''' | ||
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'''State Of Nothingness (V)''' | '''State Of Nothingness (V)''' | ||
*'''421A, n2C ABC''' - Possible launcher combo with the bare minimum amount of time you can have. May drop n2C if time is short. With more time you can fit in repeated njC hits and Issen will still connect. | *'''421A, n2C ABC''' - Possible launcher combo with the bare minimum amount of time you can have. May drop n2C if time is short. With more time you can fit in repeated njC hits and Issen will still connect. | ||
'''Setups''' | |||
*'''646A, 9j whiff jD, 214[A]''' - Midscreen framekill for meaty card so the opponent is forced to block or eat a combo. Whiff jD is to set up buffered card without consuming Weapon Gauge. | |||
*'''646A, 5E, 5E, 214[A]''' - Corner framekill, VI Spirit only. Point blank meaty card in the corner won't hit opponents on the way down. Forward jump also won't cross opponents up in the corner after 646A, so Genjuro can't set up a backhit card with threat of crossup rekka instead. Back jump into card won't hit meaty. | |||
==Frame Data - Provided by Tekitogate== | ==Frame Data - Provided by Tekitogate== | ||
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| j7A/j9A || 9 || N/A || N/A || N/A || | | j7A/j9A || 9 || N/A || N/A || N/A || | ||
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| n5B || 8 || +1 || -8 || | | n5B || 8 || +1 || -8 || -3 || | ||
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| n2B || 10 || 0 || -8 || | | n2B || 10 || 0 || -8 || -3 || | ||
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| 5B || 12 || -8 || -8 || | | 5B || 12 || -8 || -8 || -3 || | ||
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| 2B || 11 || -5 || N/A || -3 || | | 2B || 11 || -5 || N/A || -3 || |
Latest revision as of 00:08, 23 October 2024
Introduction
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Genjuro here is a downgrade from his V Special iteration, notably losing his universal overhead in neutral and command grab special in mixups. You still have card setplay, which may at first appear ruined by short and long rolls but 646A grants him hard knockdown which guarantees his setplay. Genjuro may have received nerfs but he is one of the few characters in the game to not only bypass tech rolls but also have a great enough run speed alongside this tech immunity to chase tech (predicting a tech roll and punishing it) when needed.
Data
- Dash type: Run
- Damage taken: 100% (5th Tankiest)
- Rage retention: 210 (5th Highest)
- Rage duration: 8 seconds (3rd Shortest)
Gameplan
Every combo Genjuro does must end in 646A to ensure his card setup remains supreme. If you do not then you forfeit all setplay he is capable of. His aggression and loops come from 646A being the incredible move that it is.
Genjuro is typically played aggressively, finding opportunities to set up card bounces and rekka crossups in their face. However, he also has tools to play neutral reasonably well. His 5B has good priority, while his 2B is a low with the same range which can't be deflected. 5C has particularly long reach for punishes, can catch backdashes and has a kara cancel window at the start. All of these tools recoil cancel, which Genjuro has appropriate tools for - countering punish attempts with DP (623S) or a high-priority hitgrab (646S), going for a mixup (236S) or setting up card (214S) are all viable options. 623A may be used as an occasional poke for its high priority. Given the removal of universal overheads, Genjuro no longer has the option to hop over lows with one, so keep that in mind.
If you get your opponent to block 214S and you're holding down the button, the card will bounce then fall as an overhead. This is often combined with lows such as 66B for near unblockables. New to VI is 421S, a low with juggle potential, which you can use to make these situations more rewarding. An easy option for the opponent to escape this trap is to simply backdash away, which can be countered by poking with something far-reaching like 5C instead of going for a low. A flaw with Genjuro's card game in VI is that it is difficult to loop due to the changes made to wakeup rolls. While the opponent's short rolls have some strike vulnerability at the end which you can take advantage of, long rolls do not but leave them closer to the corner. The opponent escaping your trap in this way is something you'll have to worry about less if you have them cornered, where you also have access to a more-rewarding 421S which there can juggle into WFT. Another thing to keep in mind is the removal of your three-hit kick and command grab from earlier games.
Given Genjuro's aggressive playstyle, short Rage retention and even shorter Rage duration, VI is a viable Spirit choice so you have access to WFT more often. Given Genjuro's short rage time and limited usefulness for WFT you may choose V Spirit instead to meditate your rage away, and while it can be Rage Exploded on the first hit you still have a launcher in the form of 421S. Unfortunately, you don't get an extra visual effect after Issen anymore.
Normal Moves
Far Slashes
Near Slashes
Kicks
Dash Normals
Air Normals
Unarmed Normals
Attack | Description |
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u5S |
Short punch. |
u2S |
Low hook. |
u66S |
Running u2S which knocks down. |
u66D File:SSVI Genjuro u66D.png |
It's two frames faster but two frames less safe. |
juS |
Same as jA. |
Hyper Slash (I)
Special Moves
Attack | Description |
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Lightning Wings - 623S | Genjuro's DP. Strength determines how high it travels, also the horizontal distance to a much smaller extent than in V Special. All versions will hit a grounded opponent and have decent upper body invincibility. The light version is worth exploiting for its priority. Do not reversal with heavy, there is no difference in strength and if they block you're open to a much bigger punish |
Triple Death Hack - 236S, can be repeated twice in either direction (Samurai Drive) |
Rekkas. Strength determines how far Genjuro travels before the hit, with the light version coming out immediately and the medium and heavy versions being able to crossover. The first and second hits will crossover, but the final hit will always be the same finisher but delayed depending on strength. Great for close range pressure. Very risky to use in neutral, as opponents can simply jump out. If you are running II or V Spirit you can duck the second hit after blocking the first to avoid it. This is particularly effective if they go for the medium version, as if they follow up with the light version they can delay the final hit to punish you. If they don't follow up with anything then you will get punished. You can also just abare out if you expect the crossup but this is even riskier. |
Cherry Blossom Slice - 214S | Genjuro's fireball. Strength determines startup and range. Advantageous enough on hit to follow up with a medium slash, 236A or something else quick, and pretty safe on block. Given the startup it's not something that will win you fireball wars. |
Cherry Blossom Slice Splash Raising - hold down S, will activate if guarded |
If the opponent blocked the card and you were holding the button down the whole time, the card will bounce up then fall down for an overhead hit. Strength of the card beforehand also determines how far forward the bounced card will fly, in which 214A/B are useful for setplay but 214C will catch a backdash. You're better off catching backdashes with 5C while going for 214A/B, however. It is harder to set up card setplay in VI given wakeup rolls act more like quick rises, and furthermore there are two distances of back rolls to worry about.
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Slash Of A Hundred Demons - 646S | Hitgrab with a disjointed hitbox, chip damage, and hard knockdown. Strength determines the startup, activity and how far Genjuro moves forward. This beats armor, backdashes, and dodge. Genjuro can combo into 646A for hard knockdown into card oki. |
Rush Slash - 421S | After a brief pause Genjuro runs, strikes the opponent's knees then launches them upward. This hits low and allows for juggle combos - you will always be able to land 646A and it should be your only combo ender, but in the corner you can juggle with your WFT. Strength determines how far Genjuro runs before the strike, with A version not running at all. The purpose of this move is to make Genjuro's near-unblockable card game more rewarding damage-wise, particularly in the corner. |
Toy Transformation - 6321464E (II) |
Supers
Attack | Description |
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Five Flash Rip- 236AB | Fast WFT with upper body invincibility. Has decent priority and can be combo'd into by plenty of things. This move gives you a hard knockdown and maximum spacing for 214B, but you do not recover in time to land it meaty. |
Similar to Genjuro's EX DP in other games and with similar applications. Either anti-air with it, use it as a reversal or combo into it for big damage. Prone to being short teched and punished when done point blank. Try n5B xx 421A, n5B xx 236BC to get as much air time on the move as possible |
Combos and Setups
Standard Combos
- 2A/66A 623A/236A~236A~236A - Light confirms. DP is easier off 66A, but rekka is more rewarding. Heavier DP versions will combo and do damage in between 623A and rekka, but give worse oki.
- ch 2A/66A 236AB - Lights can combo into WFT on counterhit. n5B also combos into WFT and doesn't require counterhit - just be mindful of spacing so WFT doesn't whiff.
- n5B/5D, 421A, 66C/646A - Your go-to combo. 646A does the most damage and causes hard knockdown, enforcing his card setplay, but won't connect from spaced hits midscreen.
- n2C, n5B, 421A, 646A/236AB - Corner combo. Biggest punish he has and one of the few ways to guarantee super with him. Needs a microwalk into n5B if not point blank; against some characters this is always required.
- njC, n5B xx 421A, 646A - Throw punish. n5B's fast startup makes this practical even without counter/crouching hit, and hard knockdown grants him even more card setplay.
- 214A/B, n5B 421A, 66C/646A - Card confirm into BNB. Squeezes out a bit more damage than n5B starters, so this is also a nice extension to counter/crouching hit jump-in combos.
Continuous Slash (IV)
- A+B BBC 623S - Standard BBC juggle.
- A+B BBC 236AB - Corner only.
- Knockdown, card setup, rage burst, Issen - Unblockable card setup for the corner. Huge boon to his corner game and he has target combos into 646A (input the 646 before the C hit because the kick has a delayed cancel). Can be forced by doing 5B, 421A, delayed 5B reset into card cancel then rage burst setup.
State Of Nothingness (V)
- 421A, n2C ABC - Possible launcher combo with the bare minimum amount of time you can have. May drop n2C if time is short. With more time you can fit in repeated njC hits and Issen will still connect.
Setups
- 646A, 9j whiff jD, 214[A] - Midscreen framekill for meaty card so the opponent is forced to block or eat a combo. Whiff jD is to set up buffered card without consuming Weapon Gauge.
- 646A, 5E, 5E, 214[A] - Corner framekill, VI Spirit only. Point blank meaty card in the corner won't hit opponents on the way down. Forward jump also won't cross opponents up in the corner after 646A, so Genjuro can't set up a backhit card with threat of crossup rekka instead. Back jump into card won't hit meaty.
Frame Data - Provided by Tekitogate
Attack | Startup | On Hit | On Standing Block | On Crouching Block | Notes |
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n5A | 7 | -4 | -8 | -3 | |
5A | 7 | -5 | -2 | +3 | |
2A | 7 | -4 | -8 | -3 | |
66A | 5 | -13 | -17 | -10 | |
j8A | 16 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
j7A/j9A | 9 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
n5B | 8 | +1 | -8 | -3 | |
n2B | 10 | 0 | -8 | -3 | |
5B | 12 | -8 | -8 | -3 | |
2B | 11 | -5 | N/A | -3 | |
66B | 13 | KD | -23 | -18 | |
j8B | 17 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
j7B/j9B | 11 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
n5C | 17 | -1~0 | -20 | -15 | |
n2C | 17 | +14~+15 | -20 | -15 | |
5C | 20 | -10~-9 | -20 | -15 | |
2C | 18 | -10~-9 | -20 | -15 | |
66C | 13 | KD | -33 | -28 | |
j8C | 19 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
j7C/j9C | 13 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
5D | 16 | -10 | -22 | -17 | |
6D | 20 | -10 | N/A | -17 | |
2D | 5 | -1 | N/A | 0 | |
3D | 9 | KD | N/A | -8 | |
66D | 9 | KD | -10 | -5 | |
jD | 11 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
u5S | 8 | -3 | -7 | -2 | |
u2S | 8 | -5 | -9 | -4 | |
u66S | 6 | KD | -5 | 0 | |
u66D | 7 | KD | -12 | -7 | |
ujS | 8 | N/A | N/A | N/A | |
Hyper Slash | 31 | KD | -62 | -52 | |
Continuous Slash | 11 | N/A | -20 | -15 |