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==Safejumps== | ==Safejumps== | ||
'''Note on Spaced Safejumps:''' Adjusting the arc of one of your hops/jumps should be enough to turn a spaced safejump into a regular safejump. For example, after 236236P midscreen you can do Super Jump Forward, Airdash Forward, instead of just doing a regular jump forward to make it a regular safejump instead of a spaced safejump. For a corner example, after 214C in the corner, you can do Jump (instead of Super Jump) Back, Hyper Hop Forward if you don't want it to be a spaced safejump. | |||
* | '''Note on Airdash Safejumps:''' Properly spacing yourself for empty jump low after a spaced safejump setup that uses airdash may require some manual timing to adjust where you land after your airdash. | ||
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* 214C even has a meter build 5f safejump | -''214C'' | ||
* Midscreen you can do Neutral Jump, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs | |||
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* Against King of Dinosaurs, you can do Jump Forward, Hop Forward instead for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not properly spaced against Heidern or Antonov (if you try to do empty jump 2B xx 2A, 2A will whiff) | |||
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* In the corner, you can do Super Jump Back, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
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* 214C even has a meter build 5f spaced safejump midscreen (623A, Hyper Hop) - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs | |||
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- | '''Note on 214AC Safejumps:''' 214AC as a combo ender is normally sub-optimal in Shun'ei's combo routes, so while these safejumps are still tangentially useful, learning 214C/236236P/236236KK safejumps first will be far more beneficial | ||
-''214AC'' | |||
* Midscreen you can do Super Jump Forward, Neutral Hop after 214AC for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against Meitenkun, Dolores, King of Dinosaurs, Leona, or Rock | |||
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* Against Meitenkun or King of Dinosaurs, you can do 2A, Back Jump, Airdash Forward instead for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup does not work properly on Dolores, Leona, or Rock (2B xx 2A will whiff) | |||
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* 214AC Juggles with more air time give a regular safejump instead (2A, Jump Forward, Airdash Forward) | * In the corner, you can do Super Jump Back, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | ||
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* 214AC Juggles with more air time give a regular safejump instead (2A, Jump Forward, Airdash Forward) - Examples: j.CD, 214AC OR 623AC, 623C, 214AC | |||
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* In the corner, neutral jump instead | * In the corner, neutral jump instead when using the above setup | ||
-236236P | -''236236P'' | ||
* Off a reversal 236236P that lands close, you can Neutral Jump, Airdash for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup doesn't work against Heidern (2B xx 2A whiffs) | |||
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* Against Heidern, you can do Hyper Hop Forward, Hop Forward instead for a spaced safejump (this setup is often too close to be spaced against other characters) | |||
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* Off a spaced reversal 236236P, you can Jump Forward, Airdash for a spaced safejump | |||
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* If you juggle into 236236P from 623AC, 623C, 214C, then you can do Jump Forward, Airdash Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
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* You can do the above setup if you juggle into 236236P from 623C, 214A, but it won't be spaced | |||
-''236236KK'' | |||
* If you juggle into 236236KK midscreen off of 623AC, 623C, 214C, you can Super Jump Forward, 5B, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
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* If you juggle into 236236KK in the corner off of 623AC, 623C, 214C, you can Super Jump Back, 2A, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
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* If you juggle into 236236KK midscreen off of 623C, 214A, you can 214A, 2A, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
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* If you juggle into 236236KK in the corner off of 623C, 214A, you can Super Jump Back, 5B, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump | |||
- | -''6B xx 236A'' | ||
* Midscreen, you can 5B, Neutral Jump, Airdash Forward for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs | |||
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* If 6B xx 236A hits from farther away, you'll need to | * Against King of Dinosaurs, you can try Neutral Hop, 5A, Super Jump Forward instead - this isn't traditional safejump timing, but it should be good enough to be safe against King of Dinosaurs' defensive tools | ||
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* If 6B xx 236A hits from farther away, you'll need to Hyper Hop Forward, 2A, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup is also not spaced against King of Dinosaurs | |||
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* Against King of Dinosaurs, you can try Jump Forward, 5A, Hop Forward - like the other King of Dinosaurs setup, this is not traditional safejump timing | |||
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* You can also use the easier auto-timed regular safejump setup (Forward Jump x2) | * You can also use the easier auto-timed regular safejump setup (Forward Jump x2) |
Revision as of 04:57, 29 May 2022
General Gameplan
Neutral
Pressure
Mixups
Defense
Safejumps
Note on Spaced Safejumps: Adjusting the arc of one of your hops/jumps should be enough to turn a spaced safejump into a regular safejump. For example, after 236236P midscreen you can do Super Jump Forward, Airdash Forward, instead of just doing a regular jump forward to make it a regular safejump instead of a spaced safejump. For a corner example, after 214C in the corner, you can do Jump (instead of Super Jump) Back, Hyper Hop Forward if you don't want it to be a spaced safejump.
Note on Airdash Safejumps: Properly spacing yourself for empty jump low after a spaced safejump setup that uses airdash may require some manual timing to adjust where you land after your airdash.
-214C
- Midscreen you can do Neutral Jump, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs
- Against King of Dinosaurs, you can do Jump Forward, Hop Forward instead for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not properly spaced against Heidern or Antonov (if you try to do empty jump 2B xx 2A, 2A will whiff)
- In the corner, you can do Super Jump Back, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
- 214C even has a meter build 5f spaced safejump midscreen (623A, Hyper Hop) - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs
Note on 214AC Safejumps: 214AC as a combo ender is normally sub-optimal in Shun'ei's combo routes, so while these safejumps are still tangentially useful, learning 214C/236236P/236236KK safejumps first will be far more beneficial
-214AC
- Midscreen you can do Super Jump Forward, Neutral Hop after 214AC for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against Meitenkun, Dolores, King of Dinosaurs, Leona, or Rock
- Against Meitenkun or King of Dinosaurs, you can do 2A, Back Jump, Airdash Forward instead for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup does not work properly on Dolores, Leona, or Rock (2B xx 2A will whiff)
- In the corner, you can do Super Jump Back, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
- 214AC Juggles with more air time give a regular safejump instead (2A, Jump Forward, Airdash Forward) - Examples: j.CD, 214AC OR 623AC, 623C, 214AC
- In the corner, neutral jump instead when using the above setup
-236236P
- Off a reversal 236236P that lands close, you can Neutral Jump, Airdash for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup doesn't work against Heidern (2B xx 2A whiffs)
- Against Heidern, you can do Hyper Hop Forward, Hop Forward instead for a spaced safejump (this setup is often too close to be spaced against other characters)
- Off a spaced reversal 236236P, you can Jump Forward, Airdash for a spaced safejump
- If you juggle into 236236P from 623AC, 623C, 214C, then you can do Jump Forward, Airdash Forward for a spaced safejump
- You can do the above setup if you juggle into 236236P from 623C, 214A, but it won't be spaced
-236236KK
- If you juggle into 236236KK midscreen off of 623AC, 623C, 214C, you can Super Jump Forward, 5B, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
- If you juggle into 236236KK in the corner off of 623AC, 623C, 214C, you can Super Jump Back, 2A, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
- If you juggle into 236236KK midscreen off of 623C, 214A, you can 214A, 2A, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
- If you juggle into 236236KK in the corner off of 623C, 214A, you can Super Jump Back, 5B, Hyper Hop Forward for a spaced safejump
-6B xx 236A
- Midscreen, you can 5B, Neutral Jump, Airdash Forward for a spaced safejump - however, this setup is not spaced against King of Dinosaurs
- Against King of Dinosaurs, you can try Neutral Hop, 5A, Super Jump Forward instead - this isn't traditional safejump timing, but it should be good enough to be safe against King of Dinosaurs' defensive tools
- If 6B xx 236A hits from farther away, you'll need to Hyper Hop Forward, 2A, Hop Forward for a spaced safejump setup - however, this setup is also not spaced against King of Dinosaurs
- Against King of Dinosaurs, you can try Jump Forward, 5A, Hop Forward - like the other King of Dinosaurs setup, this is not traditional safejump timing
- You can also use the easier auto-timed regular safejump setup (Forward Jump x2)
-2D and 214A give spaced meaty light oki midscreen
-In the corner, you can hop right after 2D or 236C to get a safejump on recovery roll, and then walk back for spaced meaty pressure on non-recovery roll wakeup
- You can do the same with 214A or 236A, but your hop/hyperhop needs to be very slightly delayed - if done with perfect timing, you'll whiff
-Both throws give meaty jump in oki
-214236CD gives meaty jump in oki
-623A gives meaty jump in oki and soft knockdown
-236236K gives meaty jump in oki
- Grounded hit gives a safejump setup with jump forward
- Air juggles with 236236K result in a different knockdown timing, you can generally delay a part of your juggle sequence (like the cancel into 236236K) or your jump forward to make the above setup work
-236236PP only gives spaced meaty light oki midscreen
- In the corner you get meaty jump in oki