''• Note: You can do this as cr.B, qcf, cr.A, qcb+P''
(jump-in), cl.C, f+B, qcf hcb+P = 37%<br/>
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| '''2 Bar'''
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Anywhere<br/>
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(jump-in), cl.C, dp+D(1) (SC) qcfx2+P = 42%<br/>
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| '''3 Bar'''
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Anywhere<br/>
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(jump-in), cl.C, qcfx2+AC = 50%<br/>
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== Gameplay Overview ==
{{StrengthsAndWeaknesses
| description =Do you like mash moves? If the answer is "hell yes", you're gonna love Joe. If not, he's still ok, but without mash he will be kinda average. Anyway, Joe has pretty standard tools and easy BnBs, although he doesn't get much for mixups. However, his mash P move can make him much better - the problem is, you will need to mash quickly and a lot to get it.
Joe's buttons are pretty standard, but with a few highlights. cl.D is one one of the best meaties in the game that is +4 on block (!). His sweep has great priority and is cancelable. His far buttons are all fast, and he gets okay blockstrings off cr.A/st.A. Nice j.B and j.C, as well as j.D that has great angle and reaches low, and add to that a crazy fast air-to-air j.CD. Let's not forget that his C throw is a "mash throw" that you can't tech, which is useful. For specials, his hcf+A is a quick short-range projectile, useful mostly for blockstrings and anti-hop. His DP is good as reversal, but very unsafe and has weird angle for an anti-air. qcb+K is a great pre-emptive anti-air, as you can juggle after it on hit. hcf+K is a nice safe-ish kick for easy BnBs that deals hard knockdown.
Now, mash P. It gives Joe a good low/light confirm, as he can combo from cr.B, cr.A, df+B into it. The issue is, you need to input it real quick after the slide, and you can't really "cheese it" - you just have to mash fast. The reward is high though, you can even add supercancel for some good damage. Joe's max mode damage is very high, and even his easier 3 bar gets him ~68% from cr.B. But if you want an extra 10-20% for absolute crazy damage, you will need to cancel 1 hit of DP into mash P. Ouch.
All in all, Joe's best combos are masher's paradise. If you don't care about them, you can absolutely pick Joe for his simplicity and easy damage. However, don't be surprised that past certain level, he will turn out a bit basic, and you will feel an increasing pressure to mash to get more out of him.}}
==Normals==
==Normals==
'''Standing'''
'''Standing'''
*st. A A quick jab, good for stopping incoming hops, chain-able into itself, whiffs on crouching opponents
*st. A: A quick jab, good for stopping incoming hops, chain-able into itself, whiffs on crouching opponents
*st. B A quick left kick, good for close range poking, not cancel-able
*st. B: A quick left kick, good for close range poking, not cancel-able
*st. C Far right punch, slower than st.A, good to stop incoming hops in advance, and to use as a close range poke, not cancel-able
*st. C: Far right punch, slower than st.A, good to stop incoming hops in advance, and to use as a close range poke, not cancel-able
*st. D Far right heavy kick, good damage (90dmg), not cancel-able
*st. D: Far right heavy kick, good damage (90dmg), not cancel-able
'''Close'''
'''Close'''
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*st. CD: A whiff-cancel-able high aiming round kick aimed at the face. Whiffs on some crouching opponents (except Daimon, Chang, Maxima for example).
*st. CD: A whiff-cancel-able high aiming round kick aimed at the face. Whiffs on some crouching opponents (except Daimon, Chang, Maxima for example).
*j.CD: A jumping forward thrust kick that is good for air-to-air approaches, whiffs on some crouching opponents, and can be low profiled anti-aired
*j.CD: A jumping forward thrust kick that is good for air-to-air approaches, whiffs on some crouching opponents, and can be low profiled anti-aired
==Throws==
'''Knees of Hell''' - (b/f + C) close
* Joe knees the opponent 4 times. 4th knee is a jumping knee and knocks down
* Can be mashed out of
* Soft knockdown
'''Leg throw''' - (b/f + D) close
* A head Scissors take-down, the opponent lands near the corner of the screen
* Soft knockdown
==Command Moves==
==Command Moves==
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'''Low kick''' - (f + B)
'''Low kick''' - (f + B)
* A standing sweep leg kick that doesn't hit low. Special cancel-able, and is used canceled from as a combo from either cl.C or cl.D. You can cancel this kick from his cancel-able light normals but they wont combo.
* A standing sweep leg kick that doesn't hit low despite its name. Special cancel-able, and is used canceled from as a combo from either cl.C or cl.D. You can cancel this kick from his cancel-able light normals but they wont combo.
* It is unsafe on block, but Joe is pushed back away from the opponent a fair distance, but some attacks may be able to punish him if they are fast enough and and reach him while in recovery.
* It is unsafe on block, but Joe is pushed back away from the opponent a fair distance, but some attacks may be able to punish him if they are fast enough and and reach him while in recovery.
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'''Combo Advice''': Very easy combo or confirm you can try is cr.B, st.A, df+B
'''Combo Advice''': Very easy combo or confirm you can try is cr.B, st.A, df+B
==Throws==
'''Knees of Hell''' - (b/f + C) close
* Joe knees the opponent 4 times. 4th knee is a jumping knee and knocks down
* Can be mashed out of
* Soft knockdown
'''Leg throw''' - (b/f + D) close
* A head Scissors take-down, the opponent lands near the corner of the screen
* Soft knockdown
==Special Moves==
==Special Moves==
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* A giant hurricane attack. Light punch version (A) has fast start up but has the hurricane travel a short distance while the heavy punch version (C) starts up slow but has a longer distance. It can be used to anti-air normal and super jumping opponents. Try not to use this against grounded opponents, they can just roll through the hurricane and punish Joe easily.
* A giant hurricane attack. Light punch version (A) has fast start up but has the hurricane travel a short distance while the heavy punch version (C) starts up slow but has a longer distance. It can be used to anti-air normal and super jumping opponents. Try not to use this against grounded opponents, they can just roll through the hurricane and punish Joe easily.
'''Combo Advice''': cr.B, st.A, qcf x 2 + A works quite well as a low hit confirm
'''Combo Advice''': Super cancelling the qcf+A follow-up from '''TNT Punch''' is best but cr.B, st.A, qcfx2+A works fairly well as a low hit confirm. It won't connect off cl.C/D, f+B.
and super cancelling the qcf+A follow-up from '''TNT Punch''' works well too.
Doing cl.C/cl.D, f+B into this super will not connect.
* Joe's Tiger kick DM. Can be charged but doesn't increase damage or any other properties. It starts up really fast and has a fair amount of invincibility during its active frames. The heavy kick (D) version has more vertical reach than the light kick version. One of the set-backs with this move is that it can be easily mis-fired if you're trying to do a dp+K.
* Joe's Tiger kick DM. Can be charged but doesn't increase damage although it's unblockable once fully charged. It starts up really fast and has a good amount of invincibility from the start-up to its active frames. Note that it has no invincibilty during manual charge. The heavy kick (D) version has way more reach than the light kick version. One of the set-backs with this move is that it can be misfired if you're trying to do a dp+K and it has just as bad recovery.
* Soft knockdown
* Soft knockdown
* dmg 260
* dmg 260
'''Combo Advice''': If you hit an airborne opponent with Joe's qcb+B/D, throw this super out
'''Combo Advice''': If you hit an airborne opponent with Joe's qcb+B/D, throw this super out to hit them while they are in a juggle state. The biggest part of its damage is at the start so try to delay the super to hit them low to the ground when possible.
immediately to hit them while they are in a juggle state.
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* dmg 250
* dmg 250
==Super Desperation Move==
'''Screw Upper''' - (qcf x 2 + AC)
'''Screw Upper''' - (qcf x 2 + AC)
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* dmg 400
* dmg 400
'''Combo Advice''': Very easy from a low confirm, try cr.B, cr. B, qcf x 2 +AC
'''Combo Advice''': Very easy from a low confirm, try cr.B, cr. A, qcfx2+AC
==HSDM==
==Hidden Super Desperation Move==
'''Cross Giganticness''' - (qcf x 2 + BD)
'''Cross Giganticness''' - (qcf x 2 + BD)
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==Combos==
==Combos==
You can always replace cl.C by cl.D or cr.C. Because of the slightly disjointed hitbox, cl.C will whiff on crouching Choi when point blank.<br>
If you have less than 2 bars you can always do df+B as df+BC which starts buffering a punch making easier to cancel it into [A].
: If you have less than 1 bar you can do df+B as df+AB too.
: Reminder that you can mash with any punch and it's the last of the 4 punches that decides the version. C,C,C,A is an [A] mash.
Note that outside the corner, qcfx2+A after any [A](X) > qcf+A will whiff on [[The_King_of_Fighters_2002_UM/Miscellaneous#Inconsistent_Characters|these characters]] and standing Robert minus the st.Kyo_Foxy-tier. Use qcf,hcb+P on those instead.
*cl.C/D or cr.C, f+B, hcf+K /qcf hcb+P
===0 Stock===
*cr.B, cr.A×1～2, [A] (2/4 or 5 hits)~qcf+A, (SC) DM
: Easy meterless bnb, use hcf+A or qcb+B on block. hcf+D has better damage and hard knockdown but can whiff, use hcf+B on crouching (K', Joe, Benimaru, Iori, Mature, Vice, Leona, Athena, Kensou, Mai, Yuri, Chris, Kula, Foxy, Angel, Chin). You can use hcf+D on crouching Choi, Bao and everyone else.
: Point blank optimized version of the previous bnb.
* qcb+B (air hit), far D / dp+D / j.B/CD
: Depending on spacing you may have to slightly walk forward before pressing far D. dp+D only in corner. j.B/CD are very height/spacing dependent. far D is preferred.
===1 Stock===
''Anywhere''
* cl.C, qcfx2+P
* cl.C, f+B, qcf,hcb+P
★ '''cr.B/A, cr.Ax1~2, qcf,hcb+P'''
: Good 1 bar conversion. You can do it as qcf, cr.A, qcb+P.
''Corner''
* qcb+B (air hit), tk+K
: Try to land the tk very low for more damage
===2 Stocks===
''Anywhere''
* cl.C, dp+D(1) (SC) qcfx2+P
: Hardly ever useful if you can do the next ones. Shortcut the SC as f,qcf+D(1) (SC) qcf+P.
: If you do 3 lights, qcfx2+A becomes pretty tight to land outside of corner. Stick to qcf,hcb+P in that particular scenario. No issue using qcfx2+A off cl.C.
: A basic and easier but bad max route. This does less damage than the previous two on top of being harder and having more limitations so it's useless.
: You have to do a near perfect run if you wanna use cl.C/cr.A after BC and still be close enough to cancel the first dp+D. On top of that you'll have to limit the last [A] to one hit to avoid running out of max time, not recommend. You can cancel dp into mash as Ax2~3, dp+D(1), Ax2~1 and even Ax1~2, dp+AD(1), Ax2~1.
: Works midscreen against backturned opponent or infront on Chang, Choi, crouching Xiangfei and standing Bao. If you use cl.C/cr.Ax2 after BC, stop each [A] on the first hit. The few percents gained from cl.C/cr.Ax2 aren't worth how tight the combo becomes. You can cancel dp into mash as Ax2~3, dp+D(1), Ax2~1 and even Ax1~2, dp+AD(1), Ax2~1.
===3 Stocks===
*Replace the super in ''1 stock'' by '''qcfx2+AC'''
*Replace the super in ''2 stocks max combo'' by '''qcfx2+AC'''
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cr.Bx1~2, cr.A, qcf hcb+P = 29-33% • Note: You can do this as cr.B, qcf, cr.A, qcb+P
(jump-in), cl.C, f+B, qcf hcb+P = 37%
2 Bar
Anywhere
(jump-in), cl.C, dp+D(1) (SC) qcfx2+P = 42%
3 Bar
Anywhere
(jump-in), cl.C, qcfx2+AC = 50%
Gameplay Overview
Do you like mash moves? If the answer is "hell yes", you're gonna love Joe. If not, he's still ok, but without mash he will be kinda average. Anyway, Joe has pretty standard tools and easy BnBs, although he doesn't get much for mixups. However, his mash P move can make him much better - the problem is, you will need to mash quickly and a lot to get it.
Joe's buttons are pretty standard, but with a few highlights. cl.D is one one of the best meaties in the game that is +4 on block (!). His sweep has great priority and is cancelable. His far buttons are all fast, and he gets okay blockstrings off cr.A/st.A. Nice j.B and j.C, as well as j.D that has great angle and reaches low, and add to that a crazy fast air-to-air j.CD. Let's not forget that his C throw is a "mash throw" that you can't tech, which is useful. For specials, his hcf+A is a quick short-range projectile, useful mostly for blockstrings and anti-hop. His DP is good as reversal, but very unsafe and has weird angle for an anti-air. qcb+K is a great pre-emptive anti-air, as you can juggle after it on hit. hcf+K is a nice safe-ish kick for easy BnBs that deals hard knockdown.
Now, mash P. It gives Joe a good low/light confirm, as he can combo from cr.B, cr.A, df+B into it. The issue is, you need to input it real quick after the slide, and you can't really "cheese it" - you just have to mash fast. The reward is high though, you can even add supercancel for some good damage. Joe's max mode damage is very high, and even his easier 3 bar gets him ~68% from cr.B. But if you want an extra 10-20% for absolute crazy damage, you will need to cancel 1 hit of DP into mash P. Ouch.
All in all, Joe's best combos are masher's paradise. If you don't care about them, you can absolutely pick Joe for his simplicity and easy damage. However, don't be surprised that past certain level, he will turn out a bit basic, and you will feel an increasing pressure to mash to get more out of him.
Normals
Standing
st. A: A quick jab, good for stopping incoming hops, chain-able into itself, whiffs on crouching opponents
st. B: A quick left kick, good for close range poking, not cancel-able
st. C: Far right punch, slower than st.A, good to stop incoming hops in advance, and to use as a close range poke, not cancel-able
st. D: Far right heavy kick, good damage (90dmg), not cancel-able
Close
cl. A: A cancel-able jab, can't chain into anything though
cl. B: Same kick as st. B
cl. C: Elbow thrust, cancel-able into f+B or df+B
cl. D: Knee thrust, safer on block than cl.C, cancel-able into f+B, or df+B
Crouching
cr. A: A crouching Jab that is cancel-able into df+B and chain-able into itself, st.B, st.A, and cr. B
cr. B: Quick low kick with nice range, chain-able into itself, cr.A, and st.A
cr. C: A crouched elbow thrust, cancel-able
cr. D: A good ranged sweep that is whiff cancel-able, and cancel-able on hit and if blocked
Jumping
j. A: Horizontal elbow thrust, good for air-to-air attacks or air-to ground may whiff on crouching opponents
neutral j. B: Horizontal kick, good for stopping mid to far range jumps and super jumps, may be whiff on crouching opponents
j.B is good for jumping in air-to-ground
j. C: A downward angled punch that is good for jumping to start combos
j. D: Kick with a slight downward angle, good for starting combos, and can be used as a instant overhead
Blowback
st. CD: A whiff-cancel-able high aiming round kick aimed at the face. Whiffs on some crouching opponents (except Daimon, Chang, Maxima for example).
j.CD: A jumping forward thrust kick that is good for air-to-air approaches, whiffs on some crouching opponents, and can be low profiled anti-aired
Throws
Knees of Hell - (b/f + C) close
Joe knees the opponent 4 times. 4th knee is a jumping knee and knocks down
Can be mashed out of
Soft knockdown
Leg throw - (b/f + D) close
A head Scissors take-down, the opponent lands near the corner of the screen
Soft knockdown
Command Moves
Low kick - (f + B)
A standing sweep leg kick that doesn't hit low despite its name. Special cancel-able, and is used canceled from as a combo from either cl.C or cl.D. You can cancel this kick from his cancel-able light normals but they wont combo.
It is unsafe on block, but Joe is pushed back away from the opponent a fair distance, but some attacks may be able to punish him if they are fast enough and and reach him while in recovery.
Combo Advice: (optional cl.C/cl.D), f+B into which ever special or DM move
is an easy confirm
Sliding - (df+B)
Joe knee slides into opponent's legs, not special cancel-able, but an easy way to go into Max Mode (BC)
Neutral on block
Hits low
Does not knock down
Combo Advice: Very easy combo or confirm you can try is cr.B, st.A, df+B
Special Moves
Hurricane Upper - hcf + A/C
Hurricane Upper is good for mid-range zoning and spacial control but keep in mind of its short distance the hurricanes travel. You can use these in blockstrings midscreen to create more space between you and your opponent (keep in mind for Guard Cancel Rolls) but against a cornered opponent, Joe isn't granted much push back, and you may get punished while Joe recovers.
Light punch version (A) creates single hurricane. Comes out faster; hurricane moves slower. Travels 1/2 screen distance, and must be jumped over. dmg 85
Heavy punch version (C) creates 2 hurricanes. Comes out slower but moves faster. Travels 1/3 screen distance. Must be jumped over as well. 2nd hit causes a soft knockdown. dmg 150
Slash kick - hcf + B/D
A flying horizontal kick. Good to use as a combo finisher and to punish whiffed special moves or Desperation Moves at a mid to far range. Try not to use this too randomly, it can be blocked and punished easily if performed too close.
Light kick version (B) faster but travels half screen, causes a soft knockdown
Heavy kick version (D) travels full screen, causes a hard knockdown, Counter Wires on counter hit
Tiger kick - dp + B/D
A 2 hit rising knee attack. Good for anti-airing normal jumps and full jumps but it's steep angle and lack of invincibility may cause to whiff or get beaten out.
Light kick version (B) travels a short distance upward, while the heavy kick version (D) travels higher and has more start-up invincibility but has less damage.
Super Cancel-able on first hit
Soft knockdown
dmg B 150; D 110
Golden heel - qcb + B/D
Hopping circular kick. B version travels half screen. D version travels three quarters. Good anti-air to use at a mid to far screen distance against normal jumps and hops.
Places opponent in a juggle-able state if hit in air
Both versions safe on block
Heavy kick (D) may cross over (not cross-up) on crouching opponents
Combo Advice: the light kick version (B) can only combo after cl.C/cl.D, f+B
Joe rapid punches towards the opponent slowly causing up to 7 hits or more (or less) depending on spacing. Joe might slide away from the opponent then continue punching for a second or two longer. Joe is pretty vulnerable during this mode (he is in a counter hit state) but its good that in any point of time you can cancel it freely into his follow-ups:
TNT Punch Finisher (qcf + A)
* Hits overhead, can be super cancelled, pushes Joe far back if blocked
TNT Punch Finisher (qcf + C)
* Hits low, can not be super cancelled, very unsafe if blocked, soft knockdown
The two follow-ups gives Joe a good mid ranged high low mixup game, especially since you can whiff cancel the rapid punches, or if you're up close, you can cancel the punches at any time if the opponent is blocking them but be aware of their meter, they can Guard Cancel Roll behind you, or Guard Cancel Blowback you away from them.
Combo Advice: The punches can easily combo after a cl.A or cr.A but you need to be quick with the inputs to active the rapid punches or they wont combo. Try cr. B, cr. A, Ax4 quickly. In practice mode, set the dummy to 1hit guard for you can practice the timing of
linking the cr. A (or st. A) into the punches.
Desperation Moves
Screw Upper - (qcf x 2 + A/C)
A giant hurricane attack. Light punch version (A) has fast start up but has the hurricane travel a short distance while the heavy punch version (C) starts up slow but has a longer distance. It can be used to anti-air normal and super jumping opponents. Try not to use this against grounded opponents, they can just roll through the hurricane and punish Joe easily.
Combo Advice: Super cancelling the qcf+A follow-up from TNT Punch is best but cr.B, st.A, qcfx2+A works fairly well as a low hit confirm. It won't connect off cl.C/D, f+B.
Joe's Tiger kick DM. Can be charged but doesn't increase damage although it's unblockable once fully charged. It starts up really fast and has a good amount of invincibility from the start-up to its active frames. Note that it has no invincibilty during manual charge. The heavy kick (D) version has way more reach than the light kick version. One of the set-backs with this move is that it can be misfired if you're trying to do a dp+K and it has just as bad recovery.
Soft knockdown
dmg 260
Combo Advice: If you hit an airborne opponent with Joe's qcb+B/D, throw this super out to hit them while they are in a juggle state. The biggest part of its damage is at the start so try to delay the super to hit them low to the ground when possible.
This is pretty much a DM version of his TNT Punch. Joe releases a flurry of punches, 2 hurricanes, tiger kick and an aerial golden heel. Very easy to combo into, which it should only be used for that situation. If you use it stand alone the opponent can roll behind you while Joe is rushing toward the opponent, or use a DM of their own. On block the opponent can Guard Cancel Roll during the early hits or normal roll before the last hit.
dmg 220
Combo Advice: Either cr.B, cr.A/st.A, qcf~hcb + A/C works well as a low hit confirm, or
cl. C/cl. D, f+B into the super works as an easy mid confirm.
Strongest Low Kick In History - (qcb x 2 + B/D)
DM version of Joe's low kick. Not very useful. Slow start-up which the opponent can see a mile away. If charged, the low becomes an unblock-able.
Soft knockdown
dmg 250
Super Desperation Move
Screw Upper - (qcf x 2 + AC)
A much more faster and stronger version of his DM Screw Upper. Can be used as an anti-air against normal and super jumps. If you try to super cancel it from his qcf+A follow-up of the TNT Punch it will not connect.
dmg 400
Combo Advice: Very easy from a low confirm, try cr.B, cr. A, qcfx2+AC
Hidden Super Desperation Move
Cross Giganticness - (qcf x 2 + BD)
2 flaming hurricanes fly to either side of the screen.
Very slow start-up which makes it impossible to combo into, or to use in reaction to anything. Only use it if you have the meter, if the match is close to ending, and the opponent whiffs any move that has very bad recovery.
Combos
You can always replace cl.C by cl.D or cr.C. Because of the slightly disjointed hitbox, cl.C will whiff on crouching Choi when point blank.
If you have less than 2 bars you can always do df+B as df+BC which starts buffering a punch making easier to cancel it into [A].
If you have less than 1 bar you can do df+B as df+AB too.
Reminder that you can mash with any punch and it's the last of the 4 punches that decides the version. C,C,C,A is an [A] mash.
Note that outside the corner, qcfx2+A after any [A](X) > qcf+A will whiff on these characters and standing Robert minus the st.Kyo_Foxy-tier. Use qcf,hcb+P on those instead.
0 Stock
Anywhere
★ cl.C, f+B, hcf+K
Easy meterless bnb, use hcf+A or qcb+B on block. hcf+D has better damage and hard knockdown but can whiff, use hcf+B on crouching (K', Joe, Benimaru, Iori, Mature, Vice, Leona, Athena, Kensou, Mai, Yuri, Chris, Kula, Foxy, Angel, Chin). You can use hcf+D on crouching Choi, Bao and everyone else.
[cl.C or (cr.B/A, cr.A)], [A](4) > qcf+C
Good meterless conversion.
★ [cl.C or (cr.B/A, cr.Ax1~2)], df+B, [A](4) > qcf+C
Main meterless bnb with great utililty and damage.
[cl.C or (cr.B/A, cr.A)], df+B, [A](6) > qcf+C
Point blank optimized version of the previous bnb.
qcb+B (air hit), far D / dp+D / j.B/CD
Depending on spacing you may have to slightly walk forward before pressing far D. dp+D only in corner. j.B/CD are very height/spacing dependent. far D is preferred.
1 Stock
Anywhere
cl.C, qcfx2+P
cl.C, f+B, qcf,hcb+P
★ cr.B/A, cr.Ax1~2, qcf,hcb+P
Good 1 bar conversion. You can do it as qcf, cr.A, qcb+P.
Corner
qcb+B (air hit), tk+K
Try to land the tk very low for more damage
2 Stocks
Anywhere
cl.C, dp+D(1) (SC) qcfx2+P
Hardly ever useful if you can do the next ones. Shortcut the SC as f,qcf+D(1) (SC) qcf+P.
[cl.C or (cr.B/A, cr.A)], [A](4) > qcf+A (SC) qcfx2+A
[cl.C or (cr.B/A, cr.Ax1~2)], df+B, [A](4) > qcf+A (SC) qcfx2+A/qcf,hcb+P
If you do 3 lights, qcfx2+A becomes pretty tight to land outside of corner. Stick to qcf,hcb+P in that particular scenario. No issue using qcfx2+A off cl.C.
cr.B/A, cr.Ax2, df+B, [A](2) > qcf+A (SC) qcfx2+A
A more reliable way to land qcfx2+A midscreen after 3 lights.
You have to do a near perfect run if you wanna use cl.C/cr.A after BC and still be close enough to cancel the first dp+D. On top of that you'll have to limit the last [A] to one hit to avoid running out of max time, not recommend. You can cancel dp into mash as Ax2~3, dp+D(1), Ax2~1 and even Ax1~2, dp+AD(1), Ax2~1.
Works midscreen against backturned opponent or infront on Chang, Choi, crouching Xiangfei and standing Bao. If you use cl.C/cr.Ax2 after BC, stop each [A] on the first hit. The few percents gained from cl.C/cr.Ax2 aren't worth how tight the combo becomes. You can cancel dp into mash as Ax2~3, dp+D(1), Ax2~1 and even Ax1~2, dp+AD(1), Ax2~1.
3 Stocks
Replace the super in 1 stock by qcfx2+AC
Replace the super in 2 stocks max combo by qcfx2+AC
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