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==Movelist== | |||
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'''Overkill''' - db | '''Overkill''' - db qcf uf u d + A/C close in air | ||
* Air Instant command grab, throws the opponent to the ground then falls on them making a red skull come out, does 1 hit, the tiger knee motion can help buffer this move on the ground to help punish short hops, can also be used as a reversal to punish slow jump-ins but requires strict timing | * Air Instant command grab, throws the opponent to the ground then falls on them making a red skull come out, does 1 hit, the tiger knee motion can help buffer this move on the ground to help punish short hops, can also be used as a reversal to punish slow jump-ins but requires strict timing | ||
Revision as of 04:59, 25 November 2020
Movelist
Normals
Close
- cl.A/B/C/D are cancel-able
- Close C has relatively poor reach and pushes back afterward making it difficult to use in BnB's.
- Close D does two hits making it very easy to hit-confirm into command moves or special attacks or even DM's, can even be used as a make-shift anti-air.
Standing
- Stand A is cancel-able/whiff cancel-able
- Stand B/C are good pokes, stand C is preferred over stand B because of the hit-stun/start-up/ and damage.
- Stand D can used as an anti-air poke but it's a little slow.
Crouching
- cr. A/B/C/D are whiff/cancel-able
- cr. A/B are chain-able
- cr. B can only be blocked low
- cr. C is a moderately good anti-air if used early enough, it can be canceled but only before her arm extends into the air
- cr. D sweeps the opponent, whiff cancel-able before the sweep
Jumping
- j. A/C are cancel-able
- j. B is a very good meaty attack
- j. C/D have good hit-stun and can start help start ground combos but you have to use them really late
Blowback Attack
- Stand CD has good range much like her stand C except it comes out slower, whiff cancel-able/cancel-able
- Jump CD comes out fast making it a good air-to-air when used early
Throws
Death Blow = b/f + C
- Vice grabs the opponent then scratches them, simple stuff.
- Can be broken, regular knockdown
Backlash = b/f + D
- Vice grabs them then tosses them behind her, good for setting up meaty jump-ins.
- Can be broken, reverse knockdown
Command Moves
Monstrosity = f + A
- Vice makes a fist then hits them over the head, good for string normals into special attacks, overhead when used alone so it will hit crouching opponents regardless of blocking, hard knockdown when done to opponents in the air.
Special Moves
Gore Fest = hcb f + A/C close
- Vice grabs her opponent then rushes forward dragging them across the ground, then throws them into the air, command grab properties, reverse knockdown.
Deicide = hcf + B/D
- Vice does a quick swipe attack with her hand throwing the opponent to the other side of the screen, the weak version can combo from strong attacks and her command normal, the strong version range is a little further but comes out a lot slower, it can grab jumping opponents but only when they are close to the ground, causes a reverse knockdown.
Mayhem = qcb + A/C
- A shoulder tackle, combos from just about everything except her command normal, the weak version is a lot safer on block than the strong version because of its recovery.
┗ Mithan's Robe = qcf + A/C
- Follow-up jumping grab for additional damage, input the command as soon as the the shoulder hits but only if the shoulder hits otherwise she'll jump into the air completely missing the opponent along with some really nasty recovery.
Blackend = hcf + A/C close
- Command grab, invincible at start-up making it a good reversal against un-expecting opponents, reverse knockdown when used without the follow-up Mithan's Robe.
┗ Mithan's Robe = qcf + A/C
- Follow-up jumping grab for additional damage, input the command right before she throws them into the air.
Outrage = qcb + B/D
- Vice does a barrage of kicks really fast making them as sharp as blades, weak version combos from weak attacks and does 4 hits but also pushes her hitbox back after about the 3rd hit, strong version makes her hop forward then do the attack for 8 hits but it's also not as safe as the weak version because of the hop, both version are super cancel-able on any hit.
Ravenous = qcb + B/D in air
- An air variant of Outrage, can be combo'd into from her j. A/C.
Desperation Moves
Withering Surface - qcf x 2 + A/C
- Vice leaps across the screen in an arc-like fashion to grab the opponent and slams them 3 times, weak version goes half-screen but the jump she does is high, it can be used to punish laggy projectiles from mid-screen, the strong version make her do a lower/faster jump and she goes about 90% of the screen, both version do 3 hits and she is completely invincible during the jumps arc, it doesn't have many other uses outside of Super Canceling (strong version suggested) it from her qcb + K
Negative Gain - hcb x 2 + B/D close
- Instant command grab, Vice grabs her opponent and does a frankensteiner 3 times, combos from just about all her normals, st. D is the easiest way to combo into it
Overkill - db qcf uf u d + A/C close in air
- Air Instant command grab, throws the opponent to the ground then falls on them making a red skull come out, does 1 hit, the tiger knee motion can help buffer this move on the ground to help punish short hops, can also be used as a reversal to punish slow jump-ins but requires strict timing
Super Desperation Moves
Withering Surface - qcf x 2 + AC
- It's executed the same way as the strong version except it does 6 hits instead of 3, does a good chunk of more damage than the regular version
Negative Gain - hcb x 2 + BD close
- Instant command grab, works the same way as the regular versions except she does 5 frankensteiners instead of 3
HDSM
Cannibal Corpse - qcf hcb + AC
- Counter attack, she walks forward in her KOF 98 animation for about 3 seconds and if she's hit she does her Backlash throw then she runs toward them, then the screen fades to black while she rips them apart, if she is not hit she'll sit their for an extra 2 seconds to punished, it counters low/mid/high/CD attacks and even DM's, she is vulnerable to throws and projectiles while this move is active
General Strategy
Notes
- Her st. A and Far C/D whiff on the smallest class characters when they're crouching
Changes from OG2k2
- Far C is faster
- Outrage is super cancel-able now, Negative Gain can connect to both versions, while Strong/MAX Withering Surface connect to the strong Outrage only
- Her old HDSM "Overkill" has been demoted to a DM
- She has a new counter HDSM called "Cannibal Corpse"
Combos
- j.X, st.D (2), hcb f+P = 31% DMG
- the jump-in isn't necessary because it only works when you use it late, or you can use her j.B as a meaty and go from their.
- cr.B, qcb+A qcf+A = 18% DMG
- Very simple stuff.
- cr.Bx1~2, cr.A, qcb+A qcf+A = 24-26% DMG
- One her main combos started from low attacks, the last cr.A is interchageable with another cr.B.
- cr.Bx2, hcbx2+BD = 51% DMG
- A very good combo if you're good at buffering during active normals.
- cr.B, qcb+B, (SC) hcbx2+BD = 58% DMG
- If you have the meter , you have to be fast with the super cancel because after the 4 hit she gets pushed back out of range then her DM will whiff.
- st. D (2), hcb f+P = 24% DMG
- One of the few moves that combo directly into Gore fest.
- st. D (2), f+A, hcf+B = 31% DMG
- One of her old BnB's, great combo.
- st. D (2), (BC) st. D (2), hcbx2+K = 40% DMG
- Another one her old combos, gets the job done.
- st. D (2), (BC) st. D (2), hcbx2+BD = 59% DMG
- Possibly her best combo from OG 2002, use it well.
- j. C, st. D (2), qcb+C qcf+C = 34% DMG
- Simple Mayhem set-up, be sure to check if you hit them because you may whiff.
- j. C, st. D (2), hcbx2+K = 44% DMG
- One of if not the simplest ways to combo into Negative Gain, use it if you don't have the BC activation down.
- j. C, st. D (2), hcbx2+BD = 61% DMG
- More power and damage than the previous combo.
- f+A, (BC) st. D (2), hcbx2+K = 39% DMG
- Overhead combo starter, very good if you catch them.
- f+A, (BC) st. D (1), qcb+B (1), hcbx2+K = 40% DMG
- A quick variation of the previous combo, more damage.
- f+A, (BC) st. D (2), hcbx2+BD = 56% DMG
- Another strong overhead combo starter, a good chunk of damage.
Other Combos
- st. D (2), (BC) st. D (1), qcb+B, hcbx2+K
- Gets more damage from your BC combos.
- st. D (2), (BC) st. D (1), qcb+B, hcbx2+BD
- More power more damage, you have the super cancel the qcb+B by the 2nd or 3rd hit.
- qcb+D (8), qcfx2+C = 42% DMG
- Works anywhere, if you catch a grounded opponent you have options to super cancel.
- qcb+D (8), qcfx2+AC = 75% DMG
- Same as above except more damage and meter.
- CD (CH), qcb+D, hcf+B = 42% DMG
- A nice CH combo, outside corner only.
- (Corner) CD (CH), qcb+D, qcb+C qcf+C = 45% DMG
- Works pretty well if you catch them, corner only.
- (CH) qcb+C, qcb+A~qcf+A
- Her old counter hit combo from 2002, gets stuff done.
Frame Specifics
Frame Data
Miscellaneous
Jump - (5, 37 / 28)
Dash - (3, 3)
Backstep - (3, 19, 4)
Wake-up Speed - ( 26 )
Safe Fall - ( 24 )
Close Normals
cl. A - (2, 3, 9)
cl. B - (2, 3, 11)
cl. C - (6, 4, 21)
cl. D - (4, 3, 9, 6, 14)
Far Normals
Far. A - (3, 3, 9)
Far. B - (10, 3, 11)
Far. C - (9, 4, 18)
Far. D - (9, 4, 20)
CD - (17, 5, 27)
Crouch Normals
cr. A - (3, 3, 9)
cr. B - (5, 3, 8)
cr. C - (5, 2+4, 26)
cr. D - (8, 5, 25)
Vertical Jump Normals
vj. A - (5, 10)
vj. B - (3, 9)
vj. C - (6, 4)
vj. D - (6, 5)
Jump Normals
j. A - (5, 10)
j. B - (3, 7)
j. C - (6, 4)
j. D - (6, 5)
j. CD - (8, 5)
Short Hop Normals
sh. A - (5, 10)
sh. B - (3, 9)
sh. C - (6, 4)
sh. D - (7, 5)
sh. CD - (8, 5)
Command Moves
Monstrosity (f+A) - (14, 5, 21)
Monstrosity (f+A) Canceled - (14, 5, 21)
Special Attacks
Deicide (weak) - (15, 1+2, 25)
Deicide (strong) - (21, 3, 30)
Gorefest (weak/strong) - (0, 24)
Mayhem (weak) - (4+2[upper body, M]+2, 4, 27)
Mayhem (strong) - (6+4[upper body, M]+3, 4, 29)
Blackend (weak/strong) - (6[whole body, M], 28)
Mithan's Robe (weak/strong) - (6+7, 13, 19+18)
Outrage (weak) - (10, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 17)
Outrage (strong) - (3+12+11, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 21)
Ravenous (weak) - (12, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 17)
Ravenous (strong) - (13, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 19)
DM's
Withering Surface (Weak) - ( {1+ 28[暗転] + 1 + 17}[whole body, M] + 11 + 2, 32)
Withering Surface (strong) - ( {1+ 28[暗転] + 1 + 11}[whole body, M] + 9 + 2, 34)
Negative Gain (weak/strong) - (0, 1 + 28[暗転] + 42)
Overkill - (0, {0 + 28[暗転] + 2}[whole body, M] + ～ + 12)
SDM's
Withering Surface (MAX) - ( {1+ 28[暗転] + 1 + 20}[whole body, M] + 2[腰下M], 38)
Negative Gain (MAX) - (0, 1 + 28[暗転] + 38)
Frame Advantage
Close Normals
cl. A - 3F (-2F)
cl. B - 3F (-4F)
cl. C - -7F (-7F)
cl. D (start-up) - 5F / (2) - (-2F)
Far Normals
st. A - 4F (-2F)
st. B - 11F (-4F)
st. C - 6F (-4F)
st. D - 10F (-6F)
CD - 18F (-10F)
Crouch Normals
cr. A - 4F (-2F)
cr. B - 6F (-1F)
cr. C - 6F (-15F)
cr. D - 9F (-13F)
Command Moves
Monstrosity (f+A) - 15F (-8F)
Monstrosity (f+A) Canceled - 15F (-8F)
Special Attacks
Mayhem (weak) - 9F (-13F)
Mayhem (strong) - 14F (-15F)
Outrage (weak, start-up) - 11F
Outrage (strong, start-up) - 27F / (on guard, close) - (+5F)
Strong Normal>Gorefest - (-7F)
Strong Normal>Blackend - (-17F)
Gorefest (weak/strong) - 1F
Blackend (weak/strong) - 7F
Deicide (weak) - 16F (-8F)
Deicide (strong) - 22F (-13F)
DMs
Overkill - 1F (+12F)
Negative Gain (weak/strong) - 1F
Withering Surface (Weak) - 25F
Withering Surface (Strong/MAX) - 25F
HDSM
Cannibal Corpse - 1F (upon activation)
Wake-up frames after Backlash (b/f+D throw)
(-6F) - Ralf
(-4F) - Athena
(+0F) - Kyo series (Kyo, 1, 2, KUSANAGI), Nameless, Whip, Kula, Shingo, Yamazaki, Mai
(+1F) - Yuri, Angel, Billy, Kasumi
(+2F) - Iori, Clark, Chris, Foxy, B. Mary, Hinako
(+3F) - Joe, Ryo, Robert
(+4F) - Ramon, 、Lin
(+5F) - Yashiro, Takuma
(+6F) - Mature, Vice, Kensou, Vanessa, May Lee, King
(+7F) - Seth, Shermie, Choi
(+8F) - K´, Andy, Terry
(+10F) - Chin
(+11F) - Bao, Xiangfei
(+12F) - Daimon
(+13F) - Benimaru, Leona
(+14F) - Heidern
(+15F) - Chang
(+16F) - Kim
(+17F) - Maxima
(+28F) - Jhun
Wake-up frames after weak Deicide
(-14F) - Ralf
(-13F) - Yuri
(-11F) - Athena
(-10F) - Whip
(-8F) - Yamazaki, Kula
(-6F) - Mature, Joe, Robert, Angel, B. Mary, Kasumi
(-5F) - Ryo, Foxy, Kim, Takuma, Hinako, Mai
(-3F) - Yashiro, K'
(-2F) - Daimon, Vaness, Clark, Lin, May Lee
(-1F) - Vice, Terry, Kensou
(+0F) - Kyo series (Kyo, 1, 2, KUSANAGI), Nameless, Seth, Chang, Choi, Shingo, King
(+1F) - Leona
(+2F) - Iori
(+3F) - Shermie, Chris, Heidern, Chin
(+4F) - Andy, Bao, Xiangfei
(+5F) - Billy
(+6F) - Benimaru, Ramon, Jhun
(+10F) - Maxima
Wake-up frames after MAX Withering Surface
(-11F) - Athena
(-6F) - Joe, Robert
(-5F) - Mature, Mai
(-3F) - K´, Takuma
(-1F) - Terry, Kensou
(+0F) - Kyo series (Kyo, 1, 2, KUSANAGI), Nameless, King
(+2F) - Iori
(+3F) - Heidern
(+4F) - Bao
(+5F) - Shermie
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